Say what? With all that's going on in our country and 'round the world we're going to do this now? Unbelievable.

Quote:The Senate plans to hold a hearing next week looking into antitrust issues surrounding the Bowl Championship Series. It's the second time this year that Congress is shining a light on the system college football uses to crown its national champion.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...18GKRB.DTL

now if they'll hold UAW hearings on Anti-Trust violations

(07-01-2009 09:30 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Say what? With all that's going on in our country and 'round the world we're going to do this now? Unbelievable.

Quote:The Senate plans to hold a hearing next week looking into antitrust issues surrounding the Bowl Championship Series. It's the second time this year that Congress is shining a light on the system college football uses to crown its national champion.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...18GKRB.DTL

Sounds like you went to a BC$ school that got all the benefits and now you are worried that your beloved school may actually have to play on an even playing field.

Quote:Say what? With all that's going on in our country and 'round the world we're going to do this now? Unbelievable.

I agree. It's a total waste of time.

Quote:now if they'll hold UAW hearings on Anti-Trust violations

Now you know and I know that Hell will totally freeze over before that happens.

Quote:Sounds like you went to a BC$ school that got all the benefits and now you are worried that your beloved school may actually have to play on an even playing field.

What do you mean by this "level playing field"? My Alma Mater make almost 50x the money yours does. We would pay your team our BCS paycheck to come play here and we would not even miss it.

(07-02-2009 01:54 AM)RC Horn Wrote:  

Quote:Say what? With all that's going on in our country and 'round the world we're going to do this now? Unbelievable.

I agree. It's a total waste of time.

Quote:now if they'll hold UAW hearings on Anti-Trust violations

Now you know and I know that Hell will totally freeze over before that happens.

Quote:Sounds like you went to a BC$ school that got all the benefits and now you are worried that your beloved school may actually have to play on an even playing field.

What do you mean by this "level playing field"? My Alma Mater make almost 50x the money yours does. We would pay your team our BCS paycheck to come play here and we would not even miss it.

I am sorry. Was I talking to you? I don't think I was. Having said that, Texass is one of the problems with the BC$ and college football in general.

(07-02-2009 01:20 AM)RobertN Wrote:  Sounds like you went to a BC$ school that got all the benefits and now you are worried that your beloved school may actually have to play on an even playing field.

By even playing field I suppose you mean everyone gets a trophy.

What's that, were you not talking to me?

By evening the playing field, he means that letting an undefeated Utah in the championship rather than a 1 loss Oklahoma. It seems kind of unfair to say that you can go undefeated and still not have a chance at #1 rather than a 1 or 2 loss team.

The more time the Senate wastes on this garbage, the less time they have to screw with Health Care.

Health Care has to get by the house first.

(07-02-2009 07:25 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  By evening the playing field, he means that letting an undefeated Utah in the championship rather than a 1 loss Oklahoma. It seems kind of unfair to say that you can go undefeated and still not have a chance at #1 rather than a 1 or 2 loss team.

I'm no fan of the BCS and believe an undefeated team should have a place in a play-off system. Being as how we live under the BCS, got to abide by that system. An undefeated team can suck. Same as a one loss team.

(07-02-2009 01:20 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-01-2009 09:30 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Say what? With all that's going on in our country and 'round the world we're going to do this now? Unbelievable.

Quote:The Senate plans to hold a hearing next week looking into antitrust issues surrounding the Bowl Championship Series. It's the second time this year that Congress is shining a light on the system college football uses to crown its national champion.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...18GKRB.DTL

Sounds like you went to a BC$ school that got all the benefits and now you are worried that your beloved school may actually have to play on an even playing field.

Go get 'em RobertN, Lord Stanley has your back on this one. Go NIU!

to the rest of you BCS blowhards :moon2:

clearly the BCS needs to follow the UAW model, turn all its fans into paying Union members, hire a bunch of prick lawyers and lobbiest and get to work to coverup their Anti-Trust violations to keep the system moving along..

(07-02-2009 07:37 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  The more time the Senate wastes on this garbage, the less time they have to screw with Health Care.

+1 this

Yes...Let them take up any and every useless item that does nothing but keep them from making more laws and enabling them to steal more. The less they accomplish...the better off we are.

(07-02-2009 01:54 AM)RC Horn Wrote:  

Quote:Sounds like you went to a BC$ school that got all the benefits and now you are worried that your beloved school may actually have to play on an even playing field.

What do you mean by this "level playing field"? My Alma Mater make almost 50x the money yours does. We would pay your team our BCS paycheck to come play here and we would not even miss it.

Then do it. We'd be gad to have it.

I can't speak to UT, but I know for a fact that Zero St has used unfair competition to carve out its huge share of the pie. So when the Buckeyes start talking how they've "earned" all their revenue, or they want a "free market" I'm more than prepared to answer that.

In the mean time, if Toledo, Miami U, or Ball St goes undefeated, they deserve a spot in that big game, and the check that goes with it.

You do that, and we'll check back in a few years to see if your revenue is 50x

(07-02-2009 06:38 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(07-02-2009 01:20 AM)RobertN Wrote:  Sounds like you went to a BC$ school that got all the benefits and now you are worried that your beloved school may actually have to play on an even playing field.

By even playing field I suppose you mean everyone gets a trophy.

No, it means every team has an equivalent chance. I get equally disgusted when Davidson is 26-2 and doesn't get a bball invite as I do when an undefeated MAC team gets snubbed in football.

The NCAA needs to establish clear, equitable, quantitative guidelines as to who goes to their big payout post-seasons. The rules can't be arbitrary or change at the end of each regular season.

If the NCAA doesn't want to do this, then they need to declare themselves pro, and start paying taxes.

(07-02-2009 08:41 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(07-02-2009 06:38 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(07-02-2009 01:20 AM)RobertN Wrote:  Sounds like you went to a BC$ school that got all the benefits and now you are worried that your beloved school may actually have to play on an even playing field.

By even playing field I suppose you mean everyone gets a trophy.

No, it means every team has an equivalent chance. I get equally disgusted when Davidson is 26-2 and doesn't get a bball invite as I do when an undefeated MAC team gets snubbed in football.

The NCAA needs to establish clear, equitable, quantitative guidelines as to who goes to their big payout post-seasons. The rules can't be arbitrary or change at the end of each regular season.

If the NCAA doesn't want to do this, then they need to declare themselves pro, and start paying taxes.

I fully support a playoff system...I just do not support the government being the one to force it to happen. Just where does the meddling stop?

Fo, as an aside, you've said that you were going to move to NH one day for a free-state movement, right? Last time I checked there isn't a Dowdy-Ficklen Stadium up there, may I ask how you are going to continue to follow pirate football?

(07-02-2009 09:00 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Fo, as an aside, you've said that you were going to move to NH one day for a free-state movement, right? Last time I checked there isn't a Dowdy-Ficklen Stadium up there, may I ask how you are going to continue to follow pirate football?

Im not moving until retirement. I have a vacation place on the Pamlico...I will be living there during the hard NH winters and football season.

(07-02-2009 08:45 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-02-2009 08:41 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(07-02-2009 06:38 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(07-02-2009 01:20 AM)RobertN Wrote:  Sounds like you went to a BC$ school that got all the benefits and now you are worried that your beloved school may actually have to play on an even playing field.

By even playing field I suppose you mean everyone gets a trophy.

No, it means every team has an equivalent chance. I get equally disgusted when Davidson is 26-2 and doesn't get a bball invite as I do when an undefeated MAC team gets snubbed in football.

The NCAA needs to establish clear, equitable, quantitative guidelines as to who goes to their big payout post-seasons. The rules can't be arbitrary or change at the end of each regular season.

If the NCAA doesn't want to do this, then they need to declare themselves pro, and start paying taxes.

I fully support a playoff system...I just do not support the government being the one to force it to happen. Just where does the meddling stop?

This fits in your free-market, contract enforcement philosophy. Member institutions are under contractual agreement w/ the NCAA to abide by their rules. Yet the NCAA is capricious in enforcement, and is itself quite the meddler in preventing opportunities for various schools. History proves that out.

The NCAA has carved out for itself a monopoly, and has had members conspire to prevent the success of other institutions. If they want to play that way, expect intervention from a higher party...especially when these same institutions receive millions in federal grant money.

(07-02-2009 10:57 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(07-02-2009 08:45 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-02-2009 08:41 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(07-02-2009 06:38 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(07-02-2009 01:20 AM)RobertN Wrote:  Sounds like you went to a BC$ school that got all the benefits and now you are worried that your beloved school may actually have to play on an even playing field.

By even playing field I suppose you mean everyone gets a trophy.

No, it means every team has an equivalent chance. I get equally disgusted when Davidson is 26-2 and doesn't get a bball invite as I do when an undefeated MAC team gets snubbed in football.

The NCAA needs to establish clear, equitable, quantitative guidelines as to who goes to their big payout post-seasons. The rules can't be arbitrary or change at the end of each regular season.

If the NCAA doesn't want to do this, then they need to declare themselves pro, and start paying taxes.

I fully support a playoff system...I just do not support the government being the one to force it to happen. Just where does the meddling stop?

This fits in your free-market, contract enforcement philosophy. Member institutions are under contractual agreement w/ the NCAA to abide by their rules. Yet the NCAA is capricious in enforcement, and is itself quite the meddler in preventing opportunities for various schools. History proves that out.

The NCAA has carved out for itself a monopoly, and has had members conspire to prevent the success of other institutions. If they want to play that way, expect intervention from a higher party...especially when these same institutions receive millions in federal grant money.

No real argument here. I just do not want my stolen wages being used for this purpose...even though my alma mater (ECU) would benefit from it. You are correct though...this will probably happen.