if you accept Obama's background, William Ayers, Rev. Wright...his fathers Marxism, Saul Alinsky, etc. as Obama really believing this stuff(vs. using them to gain power)...then this all makes sense, Obama is much more comfortable with these anti-American, Anti-Freedom types around the world and not only that buys wholesale all the anti-Western propoganda/lies/half-truths/deceptions these types preach(hysterically at that).

Problem is Obama is smart, in an evil sort of way, and will be pragmatic when prudence calls for it to mask this worldview of his. His instincts however will always start on the Ayers view of things. Thus yawn at Iran, jump to the defense of Chavez/Castro leftist interest in Hondarus....jump to condem an abortionist killing, silence at his military being shot up in the streets of Arkansas by a homegrown Jihadi.


he is the new Che Guevera, walk into any urban mall and you'll find a kiosk selling Obama gear still. As creepy as that is.

(06-30-2009 01:04 PM)GGniner Wrote:  if you accept Obama's background, William Ayers, Rev. Wright...his fathers Marxism, Saul Alinsky, etc. as Obama really believing this stuff(vs. using them to gain power)...then this all makes sense, Obama is much more comfortable with these anti-American, Anti-Freedom types around the world and not only that buys wholesale all the anti-Western propoganda/lies/half-truths/deceptions these types preach(hysterically at that).

Problem is Obama is smart, in an evil sort of way, and will be pragmatic when prudence calls for it to mask this worldview of his. His instincts however will always start on the Ayers view of things. Thus yawn at Iran, jump to the defense of Chavez/Castro leftist interest in Hondarus....jump to condem an abortionist killing, silence at his military being shot up in the streets of Arkansas by a homegrown Jihadi.


he is the new Che Guevera, walk into any urban mall and you'll find a kiosk selling Obama gear still. As creepy as that is.

You forgot the posters and flags hung up in Obama's Houston Headquarters

For any of you idealist moonbats reading:

The Real Che

I'm sorry. I want to vomit. We are now coddling Communists. Chavez has threatened to invade Honduras. But the US has a Treaty obligation under the Rio Treaty to protect Honduras. Will Obama pull a true Jimmy Carter and leave a proven US ally hang out to dry? :muttering:

Ousted Honduran President Manuel Zelaya will likely meet US officials in Washington, though not with President Barack Obama or Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, officials said Tuesday.

Zelaya said Monday he would visit Washington on Wednesday before returning to his country, following the coup that ousted him, and the White House and State Department expected him to meet State Department officials.

State Department spokesman Ian Kelly said Zelaya was due in Washington to attend an emergency meeting of Organization of American States (OAS) foreign ministers scheduled for Tuesday.

"If he does come down to Washington, and we expect he will, the State Department officials plan to meet with him," Kelly told reporters.

The message that the Honduran leader will receive from US officials is that "we think that President Zelaya is the democratically elected constitutional president of Honduras and should be allowed to serve out the rest of his term."

But Kelly said Clinton was not scheduled to meet Zelaya -- either at the OAS meeting or privately -- even though Washington expressed strong public support for him to return to power.

Even though she has worked at the State Department in recent days, he said, Clinton needs to stay at home often in order to recover fully from a fractured elbow that she suffered June 17.

"I think you can imagine why she's working from home. She had a very serious break in her elbow, and she is recovering from that," he said.

"I mean, you saw her yesterday (Monday). She's energetic. She's fully engaged. But we need to make sure that she heals... and can get back to a full schedule where she can come in every day," he added.

"You shouldn't read anything into that at all," Kelly said when pressed whether some hidden message was being sent.

"Part of her schedule was determined before we knew President Zelaya was coming down," he added.

A State Department official who asked not to be named said Zelaya was expected to meet Thomas Shannon, the outgoing assistant secretary of state for Western Hemisphere Affairs who is set to become the new ambassador to Brazil.

The meeting was not due to take place at the State Department, another official added.

The ousted president was snatched from the presidential palace by Honduran troops early Sunday and sent into exile in the first Central American coup in years.

Obama said on Monday that the coup was "not legal" and that Zelaya remained the president of Honduras.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs confirmed that Zelaya was likely to meet State Department officials but not Obama.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=..._article=1

Amazing. Still not a single acknowledgement from our government that the guy was in violation of their constitution and was attempting to become a dictator like Chavez.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090630/ap_o...llegations

now they are playing their cards against Obama, noting that Zelaya was in big with Chavez on the Drug trade. Anyone that knows anything about Castro(chavez chief ally), knows Cuba is a major hub of the Drug trade.

Obama sides with Communist thugs, imagine that.

(07-01-2009 10:12 AM)GGniner Wrote:  http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090630/ap_o...llegations

now they are playing their cards against Obama, noting that Zelaya was in big with Chavez on the Drug trade. Anyone that knows anything about Castro(chavez chief ally), knows Cuba is a major hub of the Drug trade.

Obama sides with Communist thugs, imagine that.

Its fully conceivable that the current administration would normalize trade and political relations with Cuba. Some in Washington like to paint it as a socialist paradise instead of what it really is.

I've told you guys all along. Obama is not a NB citizen. He is a Usurper. He took the oath of office and in the same breath trampled the Constitution.

When he does not stand for Freedom, Liberty, and human rights, he is a traitor.

(07-01-2009 03:01 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  I've told you guys all along. Obama is not a NB citizen. He is a Usurper. He took the oath of office and in the same breath trampled the Constitution.

When he does not stand for Freedom, Liberty, and human rights, he is a traitor.

Obama is a Socialist and on course to destroy 220 years of our Constitution. But I'm not ready to ready to call for a coup. 2010 elections may clean his clock (if there isn't wholesale election fraud)

The only question I had is what the proper procedure for replacing a president in Honduras is. I know in the US, that if the president had ordered a snap election against the Constitution, the duties of the JCS and all subordinate officers would be to disregard the orders, especially if the SCOTUS ruled the actions to be unconstitutional. Additionally, the SCOTUS could not assume command of the military, nor could Congress (I believe that command would fall to the SecDef. Instead, the president would be impeached and convicted, and replaced by the the VP. If this is how Honduras' constitution is laid out, then the military should not have replaced the president before proper constitutional procedure had taken place (even though I believe this to be the most "constitutional" coup ever and actually not something to get too worked up about). If the SC in Honduras is allowed to direct the military, then I really don't have problems. So to recap, my question is whether the actions taken by the military, congress, and the SC were authorized by the Constitution.

(07-02-2009 02:54 AM)T-Monay820 Wrote:  The only question I had is what the proper procedure for replacing a president in Honduras is. I know in the US, that if the president had ordered a snap election against the Constitution, the duties of the JCS and all subordinate officers would be to disregard the orders, especially if the SCOTUS ruled the actions to be unconstitutional. Additionally, the SCOTUS could not assume command of the military, nor could Congress (I believe that command would fall to the SecDef. Instead, the president would be impeached and convicted, and replaced by the the VP. If this is how Honduras' constitution is laid out, then the military should not have replaced the president before proper constitutional procedure had taken place (even though I believe this to be the most "constitutional" coup ever and actually not something to get too worked up about). If the SC in Honduras is allowed to direct the military, then I really don't have problems. So to recap, my question is whether the actions taken by the military, congress, and the SC were authorized by the Constitution.

Article 239 of the Honduran Constitution authorizes it.

Forgive my translation.

Article 239 — No citizen that has already served as head of the Executive Branch can be President or Vice-President.

Whoever violates this law or proposes its reform, as well as those that help support such violation directly or indirectly, will immediately cease in their functions and cannot hold any public office for a period of 10 years.


What it boils down to is that Zelaya proposed an election to remove term limits so he could serve like Chavez. The Honduran Supreme Court ruled this was illegal.

Yes.

In the USA we have this Constitutional Requirement, below, but the difference is that our SCOTUS refuse (gutless) to enforce or acknowledge it.

Obama opposed the removal of the Honduran President because ObamaMessiah may be whisked away to Kenya in his PJ's the same way.

Article Two of the United States Constitution contains the clause:

“ No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

anybody else wonder what all Obama and Chavez talked about when they met in Trinidad? What about Zelaya?

Sad but true