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"The Good Guys" Finally Win one in Central America.
One tinhorn leftist Latin American Dictator down, two more to go.

TEGUCIGALPA, Honduras (June 28) - Honduran President Manuel Zelaya said he was the victim of "a coup" and a "brutal kidnapping" by soldiers, and President Barack Obama said he was "deeply concerned" by the Sunday morning detention of the Central American president.

Speaking from Costa Rica, Zelaya said he would not recognize any de facto government and pledged to serve out his term, which ends in January.

"A usurper government cannot be recognized, by absolutely anybody," Zelaya told a local television station at the airport in San Jose, Costa Rica, shortly after arriving to potentially seek political asylum. Zelaya said he was taken away from the presidential residence early Sunday while he was still in his pajamas.

"I am deeply concerned by reports coming out of Honduras regarding the detention and expulsion of President Mel Zelaya," Obama said in a statement.

"As the Organization of American States did on Friday, I call on all political and social actors in Honduras to respect democratic norms, the rule of law and the tenets of the Inter-American Democratic Charter."

The statement said that "any existing tensions and disputes must be resolved peacefully through dialogue free from any outside interference."
Zelaya was detained shortly before voting was to begin on a constitutional referendum the president had insisted on holding even though the Supreme Court ruled it illegal and everyone from the military to Congress and members of his own party opposed it.

Zelaya was taken into military custody at his house outside the capital, Tegucigalpa, and whisked away to an air force base on the outskirts of the city, his private secretary, Carlos Enrique Reina told The Associated Press.

Tanks and armored personnel carriers rolled through the streets and Army trucks carrying hundreds of soldiers equipped with metal riot shields surrounded the presidential palace in the capital's center. About 100 Zelaya supporters, many wearing "Yes," T-shirts for the referendum, blocked the main street outside the gates to the palace, throwing rocks and insults at soldiers and shouting "Traitors! Traitors!"

It was not immediately clear who was running the government. Soldiers appeared to be in control, but the constitution mandates that the head of Congress is next in line to the presidency, followed by the chief justice of the Supreme Court.

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Obama and Carter...the similarities are staggering.

Quote:In one session, where Carter questioned the Soviets' record on human rights, Soviet Foreign Minister Andrei Gromyko turned the tables and delivered a lecture on the Soviet Union's free medical care, zero unemployment and absence of homelessness. "I couldn't argue," Mr. Carter admits. "We each had a definition of human rights and differences like this must be recognized and understood."

Carter was fully aware that human-rights abuses were more prevalent in the Soviet bloc than in authoritarian third-world countries. But he avoided criticism of Communist abuses because he was afraid of offending the Kremlin. As he wrote in his personal diary: "It's important that he [Brezhnev] understand the commitment I have is to human rights.......and that it is not an antagonistic attitude of mine toward the Soviet Union."

Substitute Radical Muslims for communists and Iran for Kremlin and welcome to 2009.
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(06-28-2009 12:31 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Obama and Carter...the similarities are staggering.

Quote:In one session, where Carter questioned the Soviets' record on human rights, Soviet Foreign Minister Andrei Gromyko turned the tables and delivered a lecture on the Soviet Union's free medical care, zero unemployment and absence of homelessness. "I couldn't argue," Mr. Carter admits. "We each had a definition of human rights and differences like this must be recognized and understood."

Carter was fully aware that human-rights abuses were more prevalent in the Soviet bloc than in authoritarian third-world countries. But he avoided criticism of Communist abuses because he was afraid of offending the Kremlin. As he wrote in his personal diary: "It's important that he [Brezhnev] understand the commitment I have is to human rights.......and that it is not an antagonistic attitude of mine toward the Soviet Union."

Substitute Radical Muslims for communists and Iran for Kremlin and welcome to 2009.

Yes. THey are men who want to try peaceful options to end our problems unlike those on the right who think war is the answer to all the worlds problems. "Lets just nuke 'em all!"
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(06-28-2009 01:14 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(06-28-2009 12:31 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Obama and Carter...the similarities are staggering.

Quote:In one session, where Carter questioned the Soviets' record on human rights, Soviet Foreign Minister Andrei Gromyko turned the tables and delivered a lecture on the Soviet Union's free medical care, zero unemployment and absence of homelessness. "I couldn't argue," Mr. Carter admits. "We each had a definition of human rights and differences like this must be recognized and understood."

Carter was fully aware that human-rights abuses were more prevalent in the Soviet bloc than in authoritarian third-world countries. But he avoided criticism of Communist abuses because he was afraid of offending the Kremlin. As he wrote in his personal diary: "It's important that he [Brezhnev] understand the commitment I have is to human rights.......and that it is not an antagonistic attitude of mine toward the Soviet Union."

Substitute Radical Muslims for communists and Iran for Kremlin and welcome to 2009.

Yes. THey are men who want to try peaceful options to end our problems unlike those on the right who think war is the answer to all the worlds problems. "Lets just nuke 'em all!"

Robert you lack the intellectual capacity to understand the broader point. It's not about pursuing peaceful options. It's about a world view that simply doesn't acknowledge evil. It's a world view that prohibits them from saying something is wrong. It's why Carter had no response to Gromyko and why Obama was a feckless wimp about Iran.

In any case trying to discuss this with you is a waste of time. You are, quite simply, too stupid to participate.
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(06-28-2009 01:36 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  
(06-28-2009 01:14 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(06-28-2009 12:31 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Obama and Carter...the similarities are staggering.

Quote:In one session, where Carter questioned the Soviets' record on human rights, Soviet Foreign Minister Andrei Gromyko turned the tables and delivered a lecture on the Soviet Union's free medical care, zero unemployment and absence of homelessness. "I couldn't argue," Mr. Carter admits. "We each had a definition of human rights and differences like this must be recognized and understood."

Carter was fully aware that human-rights abuses were more prevalent in the Soviet bloc than in authoritarian third-world countries. But he avoided criticism of Communist abuses because he was afraid of offending the Kremlin. As he wrote in his personal diary: "It's important that he [Brezhnev] understand the commitment I have is to human rights.......and that it is not an antagonistic attitude of mine toward the Soviet Union."

Substitute Radical Muslims for communists and Iran for Kremlin and welcome to 2009.

Yes. THey are men who want to try peaceful options to end our problems unlike those on the right who think war is the answer to all the worlds problems. "Lets just nuke 'em all!"

Robert you lack the intellectual capacity to understand the broader point. It's not about pursuing peaceful options. It's about a world view that simply doesn't acknowledge evil. It's a world view that prohibits them from saying something is wrong. It's why Carter had no response to Gromyko and why Obama was a feckless wimp about Iran.

In any case trying to discuss this with you is a waste of time. You are, quite simply, too stupid to participate.
Oh. I now understand. "The Axis of Evil". Remove the dictators and replace them with "our guy". That has worked so well over the years.
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(06-28-2009 02:48 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(06-28-2009 01:36 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  
(06-28-2009 01:14 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(06-28-2009 12:31 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Obama and Carter...the similarities are staggering.

Quote:In one session, where Carter questioned the Soviets' record on human rights, Soviet Foreign Minister Andrei Gromyko turned the tables and delivered a lecture on the Soviet Union's free medical care, zero unemployment and absence of homelessness. "I couldn't argue," Mr. Carter admits. "We each had a definition of human rights and differences like this must be recognized and understood."

Carter was fully aware that human-rights abuses were more prevalent in the Soviet bloc than in authoritarian third-world countries. But he avoided criticism of Communist abuses because he was afraid of offending the Kremlin. As he wrote in his personal diary: "It's important that he [Brezhnev] understand the commitment I have is to human rights.......and that it is not an antagonistic attitude of mine toward the Soviet Union."

Substitute Radical Muslims for communists and Iran for Kremlin and welcome to 2009.

Yes. THey are men who want to try peaceful options to end our problems unlike those on the right who think war is the answer to all the worlds problems. "Lets just nuke 'em all!"

Robert you lack the intellectual capacity to understand the broader point. It's not about pursuing peaceful options. It's about a world view that simply doesn't acknowledge evil. It's a world view that prohibits them from saying something is wrong. It's why Carter had no response to Gromyko and why Obama was a feckless wimp about Iran.

In any case trying to discuss this with you is a waste of time. You are, quite simply, too stupid to participate.
Oh. I now understand. "The Axis of Evil". Remove the dictators and replace them with "our guy". That has worked so well over the years.

Fail....again.

Robert at some point in time you need to embrace the reality that you are simply not intelligent enough to have these kinds of discussions. You've not read enough, you've not studied enough, you've not examined history and why things are the way they are or the impact of certain worldviews. You just don't have the perspective to ever speak intelligently on any of this. You compensate for that by being a schmuck. That's great, it's your schtick. But never mistake being a tool for having anything of value to add to any discussion. The ability to think critically is developed over many years. That ship sailed by you long, long ago. You're 37 years old with no hope of ever being able to catch it again.
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(06-28-2009 01:14 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(06-28-2009 12:31 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Obama and Carter...the similarities are staggering.

Quote:In one session, where Carter questioned the Soviets' record on human rights, Soviet Foreign Minister Andrei Gromyko turned the tables and delivered a lecture on the Soviet Union's free medical care, zero unemployment and absence of homelessness. "I couldn't argue," Mr. Carter admits. "We each had a definition of human rights and differences like this must be recognized and understood."

Carter was fully aware that human-rights abuses were more prevalent in the Soviet bloc than in authoritarian third-world countries. But he avoided criticism of Communist abuses because he was afraid of offending the Kremlin. As he wrote in his personal diary: "It's important that he [Brezhnev] understand the commitment I have is to human rights.......and that it is not an antagonistic attitude of mine toward the Soviet Union."

Substitute Radical Muslims for communists and Iran for Kremlin and welcome to 2009.

Yes. THey are men who want to try peaceful options to end our problems unlike those on the right who think war is the answer to all the worlds problems. "Lets just nuke 'em all!"

Who has said anything about using Violence or "Nuke 'Em Baby" in this thread.

All I hear is a very compelling and honest comparison of Barack Hussein Obama to Jimmy Carter and the Parallels between the two men are very compelling - - they both are worthless appeasers who are so afraid of saying the wrong thing, that they ALWAYS say the wrong thing.

If your birthday is correct, you were only 6 or 7 years old when the Ayatollah Khomeini took the American Embassy Hostage for 444 Days ..... this means you were still getting your nose wiped by someone else - - I had already served in the Military by then and been out working several jobs .... I saw Carter cluster fck that deal like the limp peter he was and we have the exact same thing in Da White Howze now as we speak. All I see are Comparisons, not caws to war.

No American Soldier wants a war in Honduras, are you nuts ???

So just who are you accusing of wanting to "Nuke 'Em" ???

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(06-28-2009 03:19 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  
(06-28-2009 02:48 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(06-28-2009 01:36 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  
(06-28-2009 01:14 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(06-28-2009 12:31 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Obama and Carter...the similarities are staggering.

Quote:In one session, where Carter questioned the Soviets' record on human rights, Soviet Foreign Minister Andrei Gromyko turned the tables and delivered a lecture on the Soviet Union's free medical care, zero unemployment and absence of homelessness. "I couldn't argue," Mr. Carter admits. "We each had a definition of human rights and differences like this must be recognized and understood."

Carter was fully aware that human-rights abuses were more prevalent in the Soviet bloc than in authoritarian third-world countries. But he avoided criticism of Communist abuses because he was afraid of offending the Kremlin. As he wrote in his personal diary: "It's important that he [Brezhnev] understand the commitment I have is to human rights.......and that it is not an antagonistic attitude of mine toward the Soviet Union."

Substitute Radical Muslims for communists and Iran for Kremlin and welcome to 2009.

Yes. THey are men who want to try peaceful options to end our problems unlike those on the right who think war is the answer to all the worlds problems. "Lets just nuke 'em all!"

Robert you lack the intellectual capacity to understand the broader point. It's not about pursuing peaceful options. It's about a world view that simply doesn't acknowledge evil. It's a world view that prohibits them from saying something is wrong. It's why Carter had no response to Gromyko and why Obama was a feckless wimp about Iran.

In any case trying to discuss this with you is a waste of time. You are, quite simply, too stupid to participate.
Oh. I now understand. "The Axis of Evil". Remove the dictators and replace them with "our guy". That has worked so well over the years.

Fail....again.

Robert at some point in time you need to embrace the reality that you are simply not intelligent enough to have these kinds of discussions. You've not read enough, you've not studied enough, you've not examined history and why things are the way they are or the impact of certain worldviews. You just don't have the perspective to ever speak intelligently on any of this. You compensate for that by being a schmuck. That's great, it's your schtick. But never mistake being a tool for having anything of value to add to any discussion. The ability to think critically is developed over many years. That ship sailed by you long, long ago. You're 37 years old with no hope of ever being able to catch it again.
Yeah. I guess I don't know enough history. I am misinformed on history because everybody knows that America is the greatest country ever and has never done anything wrong like all those other inferior socialist countries. Not sure where you got yor education regarding history but it is has been spun dramatically from real history.
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(06-28-2009 04:57 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(06-28-2009 03:19 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  
(06-28-2009 02:48 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(06-28-2009 01:36 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  
(06-28-2009 01:14 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(06-28-2009 12:31 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Obama and Carter...the similarities are staggering.

Quote:In one session, where Carter questioned the Soviets' record on human rights, Soviet Foreign Minister Andrei Gromyko turned the tables and delivered a lecture on the Soviet Union's free medical care, zero unemployment and absence of homelessness. "I couldn't argue," Mr. Carter admits. "We each had a definition of human rights and differences like this must be recognized and understood."

Carter was fully aware that human-rights abuses were more prevalent in the Soviet bloc than in authoritarian third-world countries. But he avoided criticism of Communist abuses because he was afraid of offending the Kremlin. As he wrote in his personal diary: "It's important that he [Brezhnev] understand the commitment I have is to human rights.......and that it is not an antagonistic attitude of mine toward the Soviet Union."

Substitute Radical Muslims for communists and Iran for Kremlin and welcome to 2009.

Yes. THey are men who want to try peaceful options to end our problems unlike those on the right who think war is the answer to all the worlds problems. "Lets just nuke 'em all!"

Robert you lack the intellectual capacity to understand the broader point. It's not about pursuing peaceful options. It's about a world view that simply doesn't acknowledge evil. It's a world view that prohibits them from saying something is wrong. It's why Carter had no response to Gromyko and why Obama was a feckless wimp about Iran.

In any case trying to discuss this with you is a waste of time. You are, quite simply, too stupid to participate.
Oh. I now understand. "The Axis of Evil". Remove the dictators and replace them with "our guy". That has worked so well over the years.

Fail....again.

Robert at some point in time you need to embrace the reality that you are simply not intelligent enough to have these kinds of discussions. You've not read enough, you've not studied enough, you've not examined history and why things are the way they are or the impact of certain worldviews. You just don't have the perspective to ever speak intelligently on any of this. You compensate for that by being a schmuck. That's great, it's your schtick. But never mistake being a tool for having anything of value to add to any discussion. The ability to think critically is developed over many years. That ship sailed by you long, long ago. You're 37 years old with no hope of ever being able to catch it again.
Yeah. I guess I don't know enough history. I am misinformed on history because everybody knows that America is the greatest country ever and has never done anything wrong like all those other inferior socialist countries. Not sure where you got yor education regarding history but it is has been spun dramatically from real history.

Fail.....again.
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I'd like to see Obama immediately support the Brits on this issue... but he will take a week to release a teptid statement of "concern". He has to take a couple of Polls first instead of speaking out on principal. Obama is going to end up making Carter look like a 'decisive leader'. He is a fool if he thinks he will get anything out of the Iranians through "talks"

Iranian authorities have detained several local employees of the British Embassy in Iran, a move that Britain's foreign secretary Sunday called "harassment and intimidation" and reflected a hardening of the regime's stance toward the West.

Iranian media said eight local embassy staff were detained for an alleged role in postelection protests, but gave no further details. British Foreign Secretary David Miliband said "about nine" employees were detained Saturday and that some had been released.

The detentions signaled a further toughening of Iran's dealings with the West, which has become increasingly vocal in its condemnation of a crackdown on opposition supporters.

Iran has accused the West of stoking unrest, singling out Britain and the U.S. for alleged meddling. Last week, Iran expelled two British diplomats, and Britain responded in kind. Iran has also said it's considering downgrading diplomatic ties with Britain.

On Sunday, the semiofficial Fars news agency reported that the embassy staffers were detained for what was described as a "significant role" in postelection unrest.

The British Foreign Office says the Tehran embassy has a staff of more than 100, including at least 70 locally hired Iranians.

Miliband, who is on the Greek island of Corfu for a foreign ministers' meeting, said Britain has lodged a protest with the Iranian authorities over the detentions. He described the step as "harassment and intimidation of a kind that is quite unacceptable."

"The idea that the British Embassy is somehow behind the demonstrations and protests that have been taking place in Tehran. ... is wholly without foundation," he said. The foreign minister said it would be an important point of discussion with his EU colleagues.

In London, a Foreign Office spokeswoman, speaking on customary condition of anonymity, said any further harassment of British Embassy employees would be met with "a strong and united EU response."

Iran's government has tried to discredit opposition supporters by alleging they have been directed by the West.

On Friday, a senior Iranian cleric, Ahmed Khatami, lashed out at Britain in a nationally televised sermon. "In this unrest, Britons have behaved very mischievously and it is fair to add the slogan of 'down with England' to the slogan of 'down with USA,'" he said.

The British have also drawn fire because of the BBC's prominent role as a trusted broadcaster in Farsi inside Iran.

This is a reversal from the way the state and publicly funded BBC was perceived in the leadup to the Iranian Islamic Revolution. At the time, the BBC was widely listened to because it extensively covered anti-Shah demonstrations and activities of the Islamic Republic's founder, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, who was in exile in France.

Iran's leaders have countered Western condemnation with increasingly angry rhetoric. The confrontation appears to be dashing hopes for a new dialogue, as initially envisioned by President Barack Obama when he took office.

Obama wants to engage Iranian leaders in talks over the country's suspect nuclear program which the U.S. and other western countries worry is aimed at developing nuclear weapons. Iran defends its nuclear program as civilian in nature. On Sunday, EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana said the 27-nation bloc would "like very much" to restart nuclear talks with Tehran despite the rising tensions.

Iran's rulers have unleashed club-wielding militiamen to crush street protests and arrested hundreds of journalists, students and activists.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090628/D993MAFO0.html
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(06-28-2009 02:48 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(06-28-2009 01:36 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  
(06-28-2009 01:14 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(06-28-2009 12:31 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Obama and Carter...the similarities are staggering.

Quote:In one session, where Carter questioned the Soviets' record on human rights, Soviet Foreign Minister Andrei Gromyko turned the tables and delivered a lecture on the Soviet Union's free medical care, zero unemployment and absence of homelessness. "I couldn't argue," Mr. Carter admits. "We each had a definition of human rights and differences like this must be recognized and understood."

Carter was fully aware that human-rights abuses were more prevalent in the Soviet bloc than in authoritarian third-world countries. But he avoided criticism of Communist abuses because he was afraid of offending the Kremlin. As he wrote in his personal diary: "It's important that he [Brezhnev] understand the commitment I have is to human rights.......and that it is not an antagonistic attitude of mine toward the Soviet Union."

Substitute Radical Muslims for communists and Iran for Kremlin and welcome to 2009.

Yes. THey are men who want to try peaceful options to end our problems unlike those on the right who think war is the answer to all the worlds problems. "Lets just nuke 'em all!"

Robert you lack the intellectual capacity to understand the broader point. It's not about pursuing peaceful options. It's about a world view that simply doesn't acknowledge evil. It's a world view that prohibits them from saying something is wrong. It's why Carter had no response to Gromyko and why Obama was a feckless wimp about Iran.

In any case trying to discuss this with you is a waste of time. You are, quite simply, too stupid to participate.
Oh. I now understand. "The Axis of Evil". Remove the dictators and replace them with "our guy". That has worked so well over the years.

+1...bump04-cheers
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(06-28-2009 03:49 PM)Tripster Wrote:  
(06-28-2009 01:14 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(06-28-2009 12:31 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Obama and Carter...the similarities are staggering.

Quote:In one session, where Carter questioned the Soviets' record on human rights, Soviet Foreign Minister Andrei Gromyko turned the tables and delivered a lecture on the Soviet Union's free medical care, zero unemployment and absence of homelessness. "I couldn't argue," Mr. Carter admits. "We each had a definition of human rights and differences like this must be recognized and understood."

Carter was fully aware that human-rights abuses were more prevalent in the Soviet bloc than in authoritarian third-world countries. But he avoided criticism of Communist abuses because he was afraid of offending the Kremlin. As he wrote in his personal diary: "It's important that he [Brezhnev] understand the commitment I have is to human rights.......and that it is not an antagonistic attitude of mine toward the Soviet Union."

Substitute Radical Muslims for communists and Iran for Kremlin and welcome to 2009.

Yes. THey are men who want to try peaceful options to end our problems unlike those on the right who think war is the answer to all the worlds problems. "Lets just nuke 'em all!"

Who has said anything about using Violence or "Nuke 'Em Baby" in this thread.

All I hear is a very compelling and honest comparison of Barack Hussein Obama to Jimmy Carter and the Parallels between the two men are very compelling - - they both are worthless appeasers who are so afraid of saying the wrong thing, that they ALWAYS say the wrong thing.

If your birthday is correct, you were only 6 or 7 years old when the Ayatollah Khomeini took the American Embassy Hostage for 444 Days ..... this means you were still getting your nose wiped by someone else - - I had already served in the Military by then and been out working several jobs .... I saw Carter cluster fck that deal like the limp peter he was and we have the exact same thing in Da White Howze now as we speak. All I see are Comparisons, not caws to war.

No American Soldier wants a war in Honduras, are you nuts ???

So just who are you accusing of wanting to "Nuke 'Em" ???

.
Your post reminded me of this video. You are the rightwing guy who doesn't know ****.

Your post reminded me of this rightwing idiot.
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(06-28-2009 05:20 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  
(06-28-2009 04:57 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(06-28-2009 03:19 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  
(06-28-2009 02:48 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(06-28-2009 01:36 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  
(06-28-2009 01:14 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(06-28-2009 12:31 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Obama and Carter...the similarities are staggering.

Quote:In one session, where Carter questioned the Soviets' record on human rights, Soviet Foreign Minister Andrei Gromyko turned the tables and delivered a lecture on the Soviet Union's free medical care, zero unemployment and absence of homelessness. "I couldn't argue," Mr. Carter admits. "We each had a definition of human rights and differences like this must be recognized and understood."

Carter was fully aware that human-rights abuses were more prevalent in the Soviet bloc than in authoritarian third-world countries. But he avoided criticism of Communist abuses because he was afraid of offending the Kremlin. As he wrote in his personal diary: "It's important that he [Brezhnev] understand the commitment I have is to human rights.......and that it is not an antagonistic attitude of mine toward the Soviet Union."

Substitute Radical Muslims for communists and Iran for Kremlin and welcome to 2009.

Yes. THey are men who want to try peaceful options to end our problems unlike those on the right who think war is the answer to all the worlds problems. "Lets just nuke 'em all!"

Robert you lack the intellectual capacity to understand the broader point. It's not about pursuing peaceful options. It's about a world view that simply doesn't acknowledge evil. It's a world view that prohibits them from saying something is wrong. It's why Carter had no response to Gromyko and why Obama was a feckless wimp about Iran.

In any case trying to discuss this with you is a waste of time. You are, quite simply, too stupid to participate.
Oh. I now understand. "The Axis of Evil". Remove the dictators and replace them with "our guy". That has worked so well over the years.

Fail....again.

Robert at some point in time you need to embrace the reality that you are simply not intelligent enough to have these kinds of discussions. You've not read enough, you've not studied enough, you've not examined history and why things are the way they are or the impact of certain worldviews. You just don't have the perspective to ever speak intelligently on any of this. You compensate for that by being a schmuck. That's great, it's your schtick. But never mistake being a tool for having anything of value to add to any discussion. The ability to think critically is developed over many years. That ship sailed by you long, long ago. You're 37 years old with no hope of ever being able to catch it again.
Yeah. I guess I don't know enough history. I am misinformed on history because everybody knows that America is the greatest country ever and has never done anything wrong like all those other inferior socialist countries. Not sure where you got yor education regarding history but it is has been spun dramatically from real history.

Fail.....again.
You are the one that failed. You have proven that post after post.
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RE: "The Good Guys" Finally Win one in Central America.
(06-28-2009 06:08 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(06-28-2009 05:20 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  
(06-28-2009 04:57 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(06-28-2009 03:19 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  
(06-28-2009 02:48 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(06-28-2009 01:36 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  
(06-28-2009 01:14 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(06-28-2009 12:31 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Obama and Carter...the similarities are staggering.

Quote:In one session, where Carter questioned the Soviets' record on human rights, Soviet Foreign Minister Andrei Gromyko turned the tables and delivered a lecture on the Soviet Union's free medical care, zero unemployment and absence of homelessness. "I couldn't argue," Mr. Carter admits. "We each had a definition of human rights and differences like this must be recognized and understood."

Carter was fully aware that human-rights abuses were more prevalent in the Soviet bloc than in authoritarian third-world countries. But he avoided criticism of Communist abuses because he was afraid of offending the Kremlin. As he wrote in his personal diary: "It's important that he [Brezhnev] understand the commitment I have is to human rights.......and that it is not an antagonistic attitude of mine toward the Soviet Union."

Substitute Radical Muslims for communists and Iran for Kremlin and welcome to 2009.

Yes. THey are men who want to try peaceful options to end our problems unlike those on the right who think war is the answer to all the worlds problems. "Lets just nuke 'em all!"

Robert you lack the intellectual capacity to understand the broader point. It's not about pursuing peaceful options. It's about a world view that simply doesn't acknowledge evil. It's a world view that prohibits them from saying something is wrong. It's why Carter had no response to Gromyko and why Obama was a feckless wimp about Iran.

In any case trying to discuss this with you is a waste of time. You are, quite simply, too stupid to participate.
Oh. I now understand. "The Axis of Evil". Remove the dictators and replace them with "our guy". That has worked so well over the years.

Fail....again.

Robert at some point in time you need to embrace the reality that you are simply not intelligent enough to have these kinds of discussions. You've not read enough, you've not studied enough, you've not examined history and why things are the way they are or the impact of certain worldviews. You just don't have the perspective to ever speak intelligently on any of this. You compensate for that by being a schmuck. That's great, it's your schtick. But never mistake being a tool for having anything of value to add to any discussion. The ability to think critically is developed over many years. That ship sailed by you long, long ago. You're 37 years old with no hope of ever being able to catch it again.
Yeah. I guess I don't know enough history. I am misinformed on history because everybody knows that America is the greatest country ever and has never done anything wrong like all those other inferior socialist countries. Not sure where you got yor education regarding history but it is has been spun dramatically from real history.

Fail.....again.
You are the one that failed. You have proven that post after post.

"I know you are but what am I." The limit of Robert's intellect.
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RE: "The Good Guys" Finally Win one in Central America.
(06-28-2009 06:01 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(06-28-2009 03:49 PM)Tripster Wrote:  
(06-28-2009 01:14 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(06-28-2009 12:31 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Obama and Carter...the similarities are staggering.

Quote:In one session, where Carter questioned the Soviets' record on human rights, Soviet Foreign Minister Andrei Gromyko turned the tables and delivered a lecture on the Soviet Union's free medical care, zero unemployment and absence of homelessness. "I couldn't argue," Mr. Carter admits. "We each had a definition of human rights and differences like this must be recognized and understood."

Carter was fully aware that human-rights abuses were more prevalent in the Soviet bloc than in authoritarian third-world countries. But he avoided criticism of Communist abuses because he was afraid of offending the Kremlin. As he wrote in his personal diary: "It's important that he [Brezhnev] understand the commitment I have is to human rights.......and that it is not an antagonistic attitude of mine toward the Soviet Union."

Substitute Radical Muslims for communists and Iran for Kremlin and welcome to 2009.

Yes. THey are men who want to try peaceful options to end our problems unlike those on the right who think war is the answer to all the worlds problems. "Lets just nuke 'em all!"

Who has said anything about using Violence or "Nuke 'Em Baby" in this thread.

All I hear is a very compelling and honest comparison of Barack Hussein Obama to Jimmy Carter and the Parallels between the two men are very compelling - - they both are worthless appeasers who are so afraid of saying the wrong thing, that they ALWAYS say the wrong thing.

If your birthday is correct, you were only 6 or 7 years old when the Ayatollah Khomeini took the American Embassy Hostage for 444 Days ..... this means you were still getting your nose wiped by someone else - - I had already served in the Military by then and been out working several jobs .... I saw Carter cluster fck that deal like the limp peter he was and we have the exact same thing in Da White Howze now as we speak. All I see are Comparisons, not caws to war.

No American Soldier wants a war in Honduras, are you nuts ???

So just who are you accusing of wanting to "Nuke 'Em" ???

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Your post reminded me of this video. You are the rightwing guy who doesn't know ****.

Your post reminded me of this rightwing idiot.

Yes...That is classic...but....Don't get too happy...Your liberal cohorts are just as idiotic. 04-cheers
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This is great. Chavez and the Cubans are having kittens over the removal of the Leftist President of Honduras from office.

Quote:Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez on Sunday put troops on alert after a coup in Honduras and said he would respond militarily if his envoy to the Central American country was kidnapped or killed.

Chavez said Honduran soldiers took away the Cuban ambassador and left the Venezuelan ambassador on the side of a road after beating him during the army's coup against his leftist ally, Honduran President Manuel Zelaya.

The Honduran army ousted Zelaya and exiled him in Central America's first military coup since the Cold War, after he upset the army by trying to win re-election.

Chavez said on state television if his ambassador to Venezuela was killed, or if troops entered the Venezuelan Embassy, "that military junta would be entering a de facto state of war. We would have to act militarily ... I have put the armed forces of Venezuela on alert."

Ecuadorean President Rafael Correa, part of a coalition of leftist governments headed by Chavez that includes Honduras, said he would support military action if Ecuador's diplomats or those of its allies were threatened.

The socialist Chavez has in the past threatened to use his armed forces in the region but never followed through. He said that if a new government is sworn in after the coup it would be defeated.

"We will bring them down, we will bring them down, I tell you," he said, while hundreds of red-shirted supporters gathered outside Venezuela's presidential palace in solidarity with Zelaya.

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/i...28?sp=true

Quote:Cuba on Sunday condemned the military coup in Honduras as "criminal, brutal" and demanded the immediate return to office of deposed leftist President Manuel Zelaya.

The Honduran army ousted Zelaya and exiled him on Sunday in Central America's first military coup since the Cold War, after he upset the military by proposing an extension of his four-year term in office.

"I denounce the criminal, brutal character of this coup," Cuban Foreign Minister Bruno Rodriguez told a news conference in Havana.

Zelaya is viewed by Cuba's communist leadership as a leftist ally and former Cuban leader Fidel Castro had expressed backing for his efforts to hold an unofficial public vote on Sunday to gauge support for his plan to hold a November referendum on allowing presidential re-election.

"This coup has removed a legitimate and constitutional government simply for wanting to carry out a consultation ... in Honduras there is only one constitutional government, one constitutional president who should return immediately without conditions to the palace," Rodriguez said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCri...SN28348369
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(06-28-2009 09:08 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  This is great. Chavez and the Cubans are having kittens over the removal of the Leftist President of Honduras from office.

Quote:Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez on Sunday put troops on alert after a coup in Honduras and said he would respond militarily if his envoy to the Central American country was kidnapped or killed.

Chavez said Honduran soldiers took away the Cuban ambassador and left the Venezuelan ambassador on the side of a road after beating him during the army's coup against his leftist ally, Honduran President Manuel Zelaya.

The Honduran army ousted Zelaya and exiled him in Central America's first military coup since the Cold War, after he upset the army by trying to win re-election.

Chavez said on state television if his ambassador to Venezuela was killed, or if troops entered the Venezuelan Embassy, "that military junta would be entering a de facto state of war. We would have to act militarily ... I have put the armed forces of Venezuela on alert."

Ecuadorean President Rafael Correa, part of a coalition of leftist governments headed by Chavez that includes Honduras, said he would support military action if Ecuador's diplomats or those of its allies were threatened.

The socialist Chavez has in the past threatened to use his armed forces in the region but never followed through. He said that if a new government is sworn in after the coup it would be defeated.

"We will bring them down, we will bring them down, I tell you," he said, while hundreds of red-shirted supporters gathered outside Venezuela's presidential palace in solidarity with Zelaya.

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/i...28?sp=true

Quote:Cuba on Sunday condemned the military coup in Honduras as "criminal, brutal" and demanded the immediate return to office of deposed leftist President Manuel Zelaya.

The Honduran army ousted Zelaya and exiled him on Sunday in Central America's first military coup since the Cold War, after he upset the military by proposing an extension of his four-year term in office.

"I denounce the criminal, brutal character of this coup," Cuban Foreign Minister Bruno Rodriguez told a news conference in Havana.

Zelaya is viewed by Cuba's communist leadership as a leftist ally and former Cuban leader Fidel Castro had expressed backing for his efforts to hold an unofficial public vote on Sunday to gauge support for his plan to hold a November referendum on allowing presidential re-election.

"This coup has removed a legitimate and constitutional government simply for wanting to carry out a consultation ... in Honduras there is only one constitutional government, one constitutional president who should return immediately without conditions to the palace," Rodriguez said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCri...SN28348369

This will be uber interesting to watch play out.

I mean Chavez is Obamagog's new Playmate in the Americas and if Chavez attacks Honduras when it clearly is NONE of his business whats going on in there, and the Slacker in D.C. has sat on his hands and watched young Iranians be MURDERED protesting for their Freedom and not said a word, then he best Sit on His Hands when Uncle Hugo goes a Murdering TOO and not say a word.

Our Lil'god's inner being is surely in test mode these days and he is failing the quiz horribly.

If Chavez goes on a killing spree down South, it will destabilize the entire region in a flash and we are talking with almost war on our Southern Border happening as we speak.

Yeah, old Big Eared Barry is gonna have some fun on his hands thru this one if it blows up.

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