(06-29-2009 09:16 PM)Nigel Incubator-Jones Wrote:  A pedophile and wretched "role model" and father is dead. And we are to hero worship him for his accomplishments in the music industry? Something is wrong with that. Very wrong.

Many people don't like MJ as a person, but still like his music. He was one effed up dude, but he had some good hit songs, and that's worth something in my book.

(06-30-2009 07:55 PM)NIUGAHuskie Wrote:  

(06-29-2009 09:16 PM)Nigel Incubator-Jones Wrote:  A pedophile and wretched "role model" and father is dead. And we are to hero worship him for his accomplishments in the music industry? Something is wrong with that. Very wrong.

Many people don't like MJ as a person, but still like his music. He was one effed up dude, but he had some good hit songs, and that's worth something in my book.

I agree, MJ was a unique talent. He made a shitload of great songs.

Some people cannot separate the art from the artist.

(06-30-2009 09:05 PM)prairiedawg Wrote:  

(06-30-2009 07:55 PM)NIUGAHuskie Wrote:  

(06-29-2009 09:16 PM)Nigel Incubator-Jones Wrote:  A pedophile and wretched "role model" and father is dead. And we are to hero worship him for his accomplishments in the music industry? Something is wrong with that. Very wrong.

Many people don't like MJ as a person, but still like his music. He was one effed up dude, but he had some good hit songs, and that's worth something in my book.

I agree, MJ was a unique talent. He made a shitload of great songs.

Some people cannot separate the art from the artist.

When you are talking about a child molestor how can you separate the two, just can't be done.

(06-30-2009 07:55 PM)NIUGAHuskie Wrote:  

(06-29-2009 09:16 PM)Nigel Incubator-Jones Wrote:  A pedophile and wretched "role model" and father is dead. And we are to hero worship him for his accomplishments in the music industry? Something is wrong with that. Very wrong.

Many people don't like MJ as a person, but still like his music. He was one effed up dude, but he had some good hit songs, and that's worth something in my book.

It is not a matter of liking him or not liking him, he should be deservedly judge on his molestation of children. I really cannot imagine anything more cowardly or damaging to others than that. With pedophiles and child molestors, I hate to say this but I would almost support putting them to sleep in a humane way, they just dont get better. Kind of like a dog with rabbies.

(06-29-2009 09:16 PM)Nigel Incubator-Jones Wrote:  A pedophile and wretched "role model" and father is dead. And we are to hero worship him for his accomplishments in the music industry? Something is wrong with that. Very wrong.

Do you know what is very wrong NIJ? Your post. You called him a pedophile. He has never been conviced of any such thing. You really should have written "alleged" pedophile.

(06-29-2009 11:08 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(06-29-2009 09:16 PM)Nigel Incubator-Jones Wrote:  A pedophile and wretched "role model" and father is dead. And we are to hero worship him for his accomplishments in the music industry? Something is wrong with that. Very wrong.

Good lord I agree with NIJ.

Cyberdawg, there is no such thing as a "genuine" and non-genuine pedophile. He molested boys and touched them sexually. If you settle out of court it does not make it any more excusable, the criminal acts occurred. In this case with a celebrity you are allowed to buy your way out of felonies. If you want to make a distinction then you can make one between "well-to-do" pedophiles and middle and lower class pedophiles who can't buy their way out of the criminal acts and must do the time.

Wow MD. I didn't know you have evidence that he did these things. Were you a frequent guest at Neverland? Did you follow him around the world and see these things personally? Yes he settled. THat doesn't make him guilty.

(07-01-2009 02:09 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-29-2009 11:08 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(06-29-2009 09:16 PM)Nigel Incubator-Jones Wrote:  A pedophile and wretched "role model" and father is dead. And we are to hero worship him for his accomplishments in the music industry? Something is wrong with that. Very wrong.

Good lord I agree with NIJ.

Cyberdawg, there is no such thing as a "genuine" and non-genuine pedophile. He molested boys and touched them sexually. If you settle out of court it does not make it any more excusable, the criminal acts occurred. In this case with a celebrity you are allowed to buy your way out of felonies. If you want to make a distinction then you can make one between "well-to-do" pedophiles and middle and lower class pedophiles who can't buy their way out of the criminal acts and must do the time.

Wow MD. I didn't know you have evidence that he did these things. Were you a frequent guest at Neverland? Did you follow him around the world and see these things personally? Yes he settled. THat doesn't make him guilty.

Yep, and you don't pay 20mil if you are innocent.

(07-01-2009 09:51 AM)HuskiemobileMan Wrote:  

(07-01-2009 02:09 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-29-2009 11:08 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(06-29-2009 09:16 PM)Nigel Incubator-Jones Wrote:  A pedophile and wretched "role model" and father is dead. And we are to hero worship him for his accomplishments in the music industry? Something is wrong with that. Very wrong.

Good lord I agree with NIJ.

Cyberdawg, there is no such thing as a "genuine" and non-genuine pedophile. He molested boys and touched them sexually. If you settle out of court it does not make it any more excusable, the criminal acts occurred. In this case with a celebrity you are allowed to buy your way out of felonies. If you want to make a distinction then you can make one between "well-to-do" pedophiles and middle and lower class pedophiles who can't buy their way out of the criminal acts and must do the time.

Wow MD. I didn't know you have evidence that he did these things. Were you a frequent guest at Neverland? Did you follow him around the world and see these things personally? Yes he settled. THat doesn't make him guilty.

Yep, and you don't pay 20mil if you are innocent.

Yeah and OJ was innocent as well.

(07-01-2009 09:51 AM)HuskiemobileMan Wrote:  

(07-01-2009 02:09 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-29-2009 11:08 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(06-29-2009 09:16 PM)Nigel Incubator-Jones Wrote:  A pedophile and wretched "role model" and father is dead. And we are to hero worship him for his accomplishments in the music industry? Something is wrong with that. Very wrong.

Good lord I agree with NIJ.

Cyberdawg, there is no such thing as a "genuine" and non-genuine pedophile. He molested boys and touched them sexually. If you settle out of court it does not make it any more excusable, the criminal acts occurred. In this case with a celebrity you are allowed to buy your way out of felonies. If you want to make a distinction then you can make one between "well-to-do" pedophiles and middle and lower class pedophiles who can't buy their way out of the criminal acts and must do the time.

Wow MD. I didn't know you have evidence that he did these things. Were you a frequent guest at Neverland? Did you follow him around the world and see these things personally? Yes he settled. THat doesn't make him guilty.

Yep, and you don't pay 20mil if you are innocent.

Maybe you do if your lawyers tell you it is best to put this behind you so it gets out of the media spotlight and doesn't follow you the rest of your life.

(07-01-2009 01:52 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-01-2009 09:51 AM)HuskiemobileMan Wrote:  

(07-01-2009 02:09 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-29-2009 11:08 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(06-29-2009 09:16 PM)Nigel Incubator-Jones Wrote:  A pedophile and wretched "role model" and father is dead. And we are to hero worship him for his accomplishments in the music industry? Something is wrong with that. Very wrong.

Good lord I agree with NIJ.

Cyberdawg, there is no such thing as a "genuine" and non-genuine pedophile. He molested boys and touched them sexually. If you settle out of court it does not make it any more excusable, the criminal acts occurred. In this case with a celebrity you are allowed to buy your way out of felonies. If you want to make a distinction then you can make one between "well-to-do" pedophiles and middle and lower class pedophiles who can't buy their way out of the criminal acts and must do the time.

Wow MD. I didn't know you have evidence that he did these things. Were you a frequent guest at Neverland? Did you follow him around the world and see these things personally? Yes he settled. THat doesn't make him guilty.

Yep, and you don't pay 20mil if you are innocent.

Maybe you do if your lawyers tell you it is best to put this behind you so it gets out of the media spotlight and doesn't follow you the rest of your life.

The bottom line is Robert, if he wasnt rich, he would be in jail right now. My only point was it is great to remember the great music but in my memory he will be MJ the child molestor not MJ the talented musician. The makeup of a person far outweights their individual accomplishments in my book.