After Healthcare and Cap-And-Trade, Democrats To Push Amnesty for Illegals

Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:48 PM

By: Dan Weil

Democratic congressional leaders are now vowing to pass a comprehensive immigration reform bill this year that will give amnesty to an estimated 11 million immigrants living and working the United States illegally.


The votes are there, they say. All they need now is time to push it through.


Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Tuesday that he has the votes to pass such legislation, which will also create a new guest-worker program for employers. He told reporters that the sole impediment is convincing senators to deal with such a politically charged issue.


“What is impeding comprehensive immigration reform is any floor time to do it,” Reid said. “I think we have the floor votes to do it.”


“I’m going to do comprehensive immigration reform,” Reid added. “I’m not going to do it piecemeal. That's an excuse for everybody to do too little.


“We're going to do it all at once,” he said, “and we're going to have comprehensive immigration reform that will include taking care of our borders, a decent guest-worker program, bringing the 11 million people out of the shadows, doing something that is so important with the employer sanctions bill that really is a catch-22 for everyone.”


“We're going to do it all in one piece of legislation, not give people an excuse that they voted for one thing and think that they're through with it,” said Reid.


But Republican Sen. John Cornyn told reporters Republicans can’t act on the issue until they see an immigration plan from the Obama administration.


“What we need is a plan from the president of the United States,” Cornyn said.


And House Minority Leader John Boehner says not so fast. He told CNSNews.com that he will work against immigration reform, because Democrats already have placed too many big issues on Congress’ plate.


“I suggested to a group last week that being in Congress this year has been like standing in front of a machine gun,” Boehner said.


“Whether it’s the stimulus bill, the omnibus appropriation bill, whether it was the trillion dollar deficits for as far as the eye could see in the budget, (or) whether it’s the proposal taking over our health-care system, a national energy tax -- and now somebody’s going to suggest that we’re going to try to do immigration reform in the midst of all this? How much is enough?”


But Democrats don’t seem worried about not having the Republican votes. They only need to convince President Barack Obama that they have the time and the inclination after dealing with health care and climate (cap-and-trade) bills. Obama will conduct a meeting Thursday with select Senators and Congressmen to discuss the immigration issue.


While he championed the cause of immigration reform during the presidential race, Obama has less incentive to move now, according to his aides.


“The difference between the campaign trail and the Oval Office is political reality. As White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs admitted last week, ‘the votes aren't there right now,’" states an editorial in The Christian Science Monitor.


“For one thing, the timing is all wrong. A move to put the country's 11.6 million illegal immigrants on a ‘path to citizenship’ – and legal jobs – would upset Americans mired in a deep recession.”


And second, “The White House has put two big legislative priorities ahead of immigration this year: healthcare and energy. That's a lot for Congress to digest – maybe too much.”


None of those concerns seem to be weighing on liberal Democrats in the House and Senate. House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer said Tuesday that President Obama is in synch with the Democratic leadership in both houses to get immigration reform done.


“The president has made it clear that he believes that we need to have a comprehensive immigration reform bill. I agree with him on that. The speaker (of the House Nancy Pelosi) agrees with him on that. Sen. Reid agrees with him on that,” Hoyer said at a press briefing.


“As you know, Senator McCain agreed on that for a period of time,” said Hoyer. “On the campaign it was a little less clear--I’m so diplomatic--less clear what Senator McCain believed.


“But we hope in a bipartisan way, we have a lot of people in this country, who are going to be in this country,” said Hoyer. “President Bush--We agree with President Bush that we need comprehensive immigration reform. So the answer to your question is: Yes, I agree and hopefully we are going to move forward on it as early perhaps as this fall-- accomplishing that objective.”

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Three issues that are worth a Filibuster are Cap and Trade, Socialized Healthcare, and "Comprehenisve Illegal Immigration Reform"

If Mitch McConnell either chickens out or doesn't pull off a filibuster on these three issues, then he needs to be run out of Washington DC on a rail.

Wait, isn't this exactly what they accused Bush of doing?

Hmm, what was their complaint aginat Bush again?

(06-24-2009 02:39 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  Wait, isn't this exactly what they accused Bush of doing?

Hmm, what was their complaint aginat Bush again?

I don't remember the details on what the Dems said originally - perhaps you have a link somewhere. Both sides seem to want amnesty for everyone.

(06-24-2009 06:37 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(06-24-2009 02:39 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  Wait, isn't this exactly what they accused Bush of doing?

Hmm, what was their complaint aginat Bush again?

I don't remember the details on what the Dems said originally - perhaps you have a link somewhere. Both sides seem to want amnesty for everyone.

Sure they want Amnesty, until they see the pricetag for the social services/healthcare, etc. the former illegals will claim.

I wonder if Obama has 11 million + illegals accounted for in his Trillion $$ price estimates.

Why do they call it "Comprehensive Immigration Reform?" What they're really doing is changing the rules so certain groups of people don't have to follow any rules. We don't need reform, we need existing laws enforced.

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Unfortunately and as much as I hate to err on the side of Allowing a Flowing Immigration into the United States from Mexico .... this is the ONLY thing keeping the United States at a 2.1 Reproduction Ratio Per Family Per Generation and not yet subject to becoming a Muslim State.

Latin American Immigration is Sustaining us at a Recoverable Ratio of 2.1 Children Being Born Per Family Per Generation and that is ALL that is holding us together at a Recoverable Ratio - - unlike most all of Europe who have already tanked in this area.

This is a Serious Issue that has taken most all of Europe by storm and they will not be able to Recover from it .... EVER .... and will be totally Muslim States in the next 10 to 40 Years.

This is NO JOKE .... the Entire Russian Military will be Predominantly ALL Muslim by the YEAR 2015 !!!!!!!!!! 2015 !!!!!!!!!

No more simple Red Jack Communist to deal with, but Muslim Brigades of Soviet Troops who will eventually overthrow the Soviet Empire and make it the Largest Muslim State Single State outside Saudi Arabia.

France, Germany, the Netherlands are all SCREWED at this point because a regular Muslim household has an "8.1 Reproduction Per Family Ratio Per Generation" !!!!!!

Without Latin American Immigration, Born Americans are actually only producing 1.8 Children Per Family Per Generation while Muslims are Producing "8.1 Children Per Family Per Generation" ..... now you don't have to be a Pythagorean Mathematician to figure out who is going to be the Dominant Force on this Planet SOON with these figures.

As I said, THIS IS NO JOKE and is NO LAUGHING MATTER ....

Muammar Al-Qaddafi gleefully said Muslims would take over all of Europe without ever firing a SINGLE SHOT ---- Europe 1.2 to 1.6 Children Per Family Per Generation - - Muslims 8.1 Children Per Family Per Generation.

YOU DO THE MATH ....... YOU SHED THE TEARS.

I will die by the Sword as a Christian and that is that ......

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(06-24-2009 11:41 PM)Tripster Wrote:  .

Unfortunately and as much as I hate to err on the side of Allowing a Flowing Immigration into the United States from Mexico .... this is the ONLY thing keeping the United States at a 2.1 Reproduction Ratio Per Family Per Generation and not yet subject to becoming a Muslim State.

Latinos get proseletyzed by muslims too.

How about we cut taxes and bureaucracy, and let families grow they way they did in the past?

Strong families lead to strong neighborhoods.

Those lead to strong communities.

Those lead to a stronger country.

The political left can pretend this isn't true. They can make excuses why it doesn't have to be this way, why their way will work too. But, reality trumps all.

(06-25-2009 09:12 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(06-24-2009 11:41 PM)Tripster Wrote:  .

Unfortunately and as much as I hate to err on the side of Allowing a Flowing Immigration into the United States from Mexico .... this is the ONLY thing keeping the United States at a 2.1 Reproduction Ratio Per Family Per Generation and not yet subject to becoming a Muslim State.

Latinos get proseletyzed by muslims too.

How about we cut taxes and bureaucracy, and let families grow they way they did in the past?

Strong families lead to strong neighborhoods.

Those lead to strong communities.

Those lead to a stronger country.

The political left can pretend this isn't true. They can make excuses why it doesn't have to be this way, why their way will work too. But, reality trumps all.

Doc, that's the problem .... we are forced to live in Reality while the Bureaucrats and the Wonks do not come near it.

We die sick, lonely, and cold while these Do Nothings (all parties now), get entire Hospital Wings Named after them and the best Health Care and Doctors money can buy.

THEY will not share our fate and those of us with Common Sense know this ad infinitum.

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(06-24-2009 11:41 PM)Tripster Wrote:  Unfortunately and as much as I hate to err on the side of Allowing a Flowing Immigration into the United States from Mexico .... this is the ONLY thing keeping the United States at a 2.1 Reproduction Ratio Per Family Per Generation and not yet subject to becoming a Muslim State.

You obviously did not get the memo. Dear leader already told the Islamic world that the U.S. is one of the largest Islamic countries in the world. Bwah! I didn't know that factoid until I was enlightened by the one.

While I am adamantly opposed to amnesty for illegal immigrants, your point about the demographics of westernized countries around the world is spot on.

As to the original article, I think the Dems have already put way too much on their plate and some will have to be pushed into 2010, probably immigration. To me the big question is whether the Dems will rush through the cap and trade disaster and healthcare without allowing adequate time to all to read and understand what is in the bill. They've done it before and it doesn't sit well with most Americans. Cap and trade bill has ballooned from 900 some pages to well over a thousand and nobody seems to be able to explain what the changes are.

Sunshine is a strong disinfectant. Transparency sounds good as a campaign slogan but this group doesn't seem to like it in practice.

MileHighBronco Wrote:Cap and trade bill has ballooned from 900 some pages to well over a thousand and nobody seems to be able to explain what the changes are.

Maybe they just used a larger font.

Trip, Do you know the cost of allowing 12 -20 million people become US citizens. And possibly their extended families in Mexico? The logistics alone are staggering. The CBO should do a study about the cost of this amnesty these nutjobs have come up with. Hospital Health care costs. Education Costs, Unemployment costs, Welfare costs, Social Security costs.

Taxpayers will have to pick up the tab, because I an certain the immigrants will not.

(06-25-2009 08:53 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Trip, Do you know the cost of allowing 12 -20 million people become US citizens. And possibly their extended families in Mexico? The logistics alone are staggering. The CBO should do a study about the cost of this amnesty these nutjobs have come up with. Hospital Health care costs. Education Costs, Unemployment costs, Welfare costs, Social Security costs.

Taxpayers will have to pick up the tab, because I an certain the immigrants will not.

How about the fact that once they have SS numbers they can get jobs - jobs that would otherwise be filled by the legal citizens we have right now.

Apparently they dont have the votes....

WASHINGTON — White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel bluntly admitted Thursday that “the votes aren’t there” to win comprehensive immigration legislation — even as President Barack Obama met with a bipartisan group of lawmakers in an attempt to jump-start stalled reform efforts.

Calling it one of the most critical issues facing the nation, Obama told the lawmakers, including Texas Republican Sen. John Cornyn and Rep. Lamar Smith, R-San Antonio, that the U.S. immigration system is “broken and needs fixing.”

But Obama and Emanuel signaled that political obstacles are likely to make it difficult to reach consensus on sticking points such as guest workers and the legal status for 12 million immigrants here illegally.

“It’s going to require some heavy lifting, it’s going to require a victory of practicality and common sense and good policy-making over short-term politics,” Obama said.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6498426.html

(06-25-2009 04:29 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

MileHighBronco Wrote:Cap and trade bill has ballooned from 900 some pages to well over a thousand and nobody seems to be able to explain what the changes are.

Maybe they just used a larger font.

When you make bills that long, you pretty much assure that a lot of folks won't read it. And that's the plan.