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700 NYC Teachers Paid to Do Nothing
700 NYC Teachers Paid to Do Nothing

Monday, June 22, 2009 5:40 PM

NEW YORK -- Hundreds of New York City public school teachers accused of offenses ranging from insubordination to sexual misconduct are being paid their full salaries to sit around all day playing Scrabble, surfing the Internet or just staring at the wall, if that's what they want to do.


Because their union contract makes it extremely difficult to fire them, the teachers have been banished by the school system to its "rubber rooms" — off-campus office space where they wait months, even years, for their disciplinary hearings.


The 700 or so teachers can practice yoga, work on their novels, paint portraits of their colleagues _ pretty much anything but school work. They have summer vacation just like their classroom colleagues and enjoy weekends and holidays through the school year.


"You just basically sit there for eight hours," said Orlando Ramos, who spent seven months in a rubber room, officially known as a temporary reassignment center, in 2004-05. "I saw several near-fights. `This is my seat.' `I've been sitting here for six months.' That sort of thing."


Ramos was an assistant principal in East Harlem when he was accused of lying at a hearing on whether to suspend a student. Ramos denied the allegation but quit before his case was resolved and took a job in California.


Because the teachers collect their full salaries of $70,000 or more, the city Department of Education estimates the practice costs the taxpayers $65 million a year. The department blames union rules.


"It is extremely difficult to fire a tenured teacher because of the protections afforded to them in their contract," spokeswoman Ann Forte said.


City officials said that they make teachers report to a rubber room instead of sending they home because the union contract requires that they be allowed to continue in their jobs in some fashion while their cases are being heard. The contract does not permit them to be given other work.


Ron Davis, a spokesman for the United Federation of Teachers, said the union and the Department of Education reached an agreement last year to try to reduce the amount of time educators spend in reassignment centers, but progress has been slow.


"No one wants teachers who don't belong in the classroom. However, we cannot neglect the teachers' rights to due process," Davis said. The union represents more than 228,000 employees, including nearly 90,000 teachers.


Many teachers say they are being punished because they ran afoul of a vindictive boss or because they blew the whistle when somebody fudged test scores.


"The principal wants you out, you're gone," said Michael Thomas, a high school math teacher who has been in a reassignment center for 14 months after accusing an assistant principal of tinkering with test results.


City education officials deny teachers are unfairly targeted but say there has been an effort under Mayor Michael Bloomberg to get incompetents out of the classroom. "There's been a push to report anything that you see wrong," Forte said.


Some other school systems likewise pay teachers to do nothing.


The Los Angeles district, the nation's second-largest school system with 620,000 students, behind New York's 1.1 million, said it has 178 teachers and other staff members who are being "housed" while they wait for misconduct charges to be resolved.


Similarly, Mimi Shapiro, who is now retired, said she was assigned to sit in what Philadelphia calls a "cluster office." "They just sit you in a room in a hard chair," she said, "and you just sit."


Teacher advocates say New York's rubber rooms are more extensive than anything that exists elsewhere.


Teachers awaiting disciplinary hearings around the nation typically are sent home, with or without pay, Karen Horwitz, a former Chicago-area teacher who founded the National Association for the Prevention of Teacher Abuse. Some districts find non-classroom work _ office duties, for example _ for teachers accused of misconduct.


New York City's reassignment centers have existed since the late 1990s, Forte said. But the number of employees assigned to them has ballooned since Bloomberg won more control over the schools in 2002. Most of those sent to rubber rooms are teachers; others are assistant principals, social workers, psychologists and secretaries.


Once their hearings are over, they are either sent back to the classroom or fired. But because their cases are heard by 23 arbitrators who work only five days a month, stints of two or three years in a rubber room are common, and some teachers have been there for five or six.


The nickname refers to the padded cells of old insane asylums. Some teachers say that is fitting, since some of the inhabitants are unstable and don't belong in the classroom. They add that being in a rubber room itself is bad for your mental health.


"Most people in that room are depressed," said Jennifer Saunders, a high school teacher who was in a reassignment center from 2005 to 2008. Saunders said she was charged with petty infractions in an effort to get rid of her: "I was charged with having a student sit in my class with a hat on, singing."


The rubber rooms are monitored, some more strictly than others, teachers said.


"There was a bar across the street," Saunders said. "Teachers would sneak out and hang out there for hours."


Judith Cohen, an art teacher who has been in a rubber room near Madison Square Garden for three years, said she passes the time by painting watercolors of her fellow detainees.


"The day just seemed to crawl by until I started painting," Cohen said, adding that others read, play dominoes or sleep. Cohen said she was charged with using abusive language when a girl cut her with scissors.


Some sell real estate, earn graduate degrees or teach each other yoga and tai chi.


David Suker, who has been in a Brooklyn reassignment center for three months, said he has used the time to plan summer trips to Alaska, Cape Cod and Costa Rica. Suker said he was falsely accused of throwing a girl's test sign-up form in the garbage during an argument.


"It's sort of peaceful knowing that you're going to work to do nothing," he said.


Philip Nobile is a journalist who has written for New York Magazine and the Village Voice and is known for his scathing criticism of public figures. A teacher at Brooklyn's Cobble Hill School of American Studies, Nobile was assigned to a rubber room in 2007, "supposedly for pushing a boy while I was breaking up a fight." He contends the school system is retaliating against him for exposing wrongdoing.


He is spending his time working on his case and writing magazine articles and a novel.


"This is what happens to political prisoners throughout history," he said, alluding to the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. "They put us in prison and we write our `Letter From the Birmingham Jail.'"

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06-22-2009 09:46 PM
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Wonderful!! At least they are not teaching! Might be a great use of stolen wages to just put them all into rubber rooms and FREE the kids that they are abusing with government indoctrination.05-stirthepot
06-22-2009 09:49 PM
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Why don't they hire a few more arbitrators? Seems like it would be cheaper to hire 50 more arbitrators than to keep 700 teachers off the job.
06-22-2009 10:19 PM
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Now we know why Mach spends so much time on the boards.
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While undoubtably their are real offenders waiting for their day in court, man did that article make is sound like there are a lot of teachers in the rubber room who just p.o.'d management.

Disciplinary action for throwing a piece of paper in the wastebasket? Disciplinary action for swearing when a student cut you with scissors?
06-23-2009 08:31 AM
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(06-23-2009 08:31 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Disciplinary action for throwing a piece of paper in the wastebasket? Disciplinary action for swearing when a student cut you with scissors?

Well, that's their side of the story. Last I saw, everyone in prison seems to be innocent. I'm sure there are a few teachers who might be in the rubber room unjustly but it's my guess that most of them who are in there don't belong in the class room.

My first reaction to this story was that this is another example of unions having too much power. But who gave them that power? The people who negotiated the contracts with them. During the next contract negotiations someone finally has to put their foot down and tell the unions to get real. It will be political suicide but it still needs to be done.
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Now we see why Robbie aspires to be a NYC School Teacher !!!!!

You sly dawg you !!!!!!

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(06-23-2009 09:29 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Well, that's their side of the story. Last I saw, everyone in prison seems to be innocent. I'm sure there are a few teachers who might be in the rubber room unjustly but it's my guess that most of them who are in there don't belong in the class room.

My first reaction to this story was that this is another example of unions having too much power. But who gave them that power? The people who negotiated the contracts with them. During the next contract negotiations someone finally has to put their foot down and tell the unions to get real. It will be political suicide but it still needs to be done.

Hmmm... my response to that would be to ask if you have ever worked in teaching, especially an inner city school? I'm not saying that many of the teachers aren't bad, and aren't guilty of whatever accusations are against them. I would, however, give them the benefit of doubt knowing that there are all kinds of kids who have never had any parental supervision and discipline in their lives.
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(06-24-2009 06:22 AM)mlb Wrote:  
(06-23-2009 09:29 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Well, that's their side of the story. Last I saw, everyone in prison seems to be innocent. I'm sure there are a few teachers who might be in the rubber room unjustly but it's my guess that most of them who are in there don't belong in the class room.

My first reaction to this story was that this is another example of unions having too much power. But who gave them that power? The people who negotiated the contracts with them. During the next contract negotiations someone finally has to put their foot down and tell the unions to get real. It will be political suicide but it still needs to be done.

Hmmm... my response to that would be to ask if you have ever worked in teaching, especially an inner city school? I'm not saying that many of the teachers aren't bad, and aren't guilty of whatever accusations are against them. I would, however, give them the benefit of doubt knowing that there are all kinds of kids who have never had any parental supervision and discipline in their lives.

I have witnessed this in Rural Schools as well.

If a Teacher shows any sign of Weakness, they are eaten alive like a Rabbit at a Greyhound Festival.

Yet the exact same kids, with the exception of a few really bad ones, will go to the next class where the Teacher is Strong and No Nonsense and will at least sit and be quiet even if they don't do the work.

If you are a Coward, why become a Soldier, Cop, Fireman, or Inner City School Teacher ????

You are wasting everyone's time, especially the kids who are not getting educated by your scared slack ass.

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(06-24-2009 06:22 AM)mlb Wrote:  
(06-23-2009 09:29 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Well, that's their side of the story. Last I saw, everyone in prison seems to be innocent. I'm sure there are a few teachers who might be in the rubber room unjustly but it's my guess that most of them who are in there don't belong in the class room.

My first reaction to this story was that this is another example of unions having too much power. But who gave them that power? The people who negotiated the contracts with them. During the next contract negotiations someone finally has to put their foot down and tell the unions to get real. It will be political suicide but it still needs to be done.

Hmmm... my response to that would be to ask if you have ever worked in teaching, especially an inner city school? I'm not saying that many of the teachers aren't bad, and aren't guilty of whatever accusations are against them. I would, however, give them the benefit of doubt knowing that there are all kinds of kids who have never had any parental supervision and discipline in their lives.


My wife is a teacher, so I will initially err on the side of the teachers. The stories she can tell, and the stories she hears........
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(06-22-2009 10:19 PM)mlb Wrote:  Why don't they hire a few more arbitrators? Seems like it would be cheaper to hire 50 more arbitrators than to keep 700 teachers off the job.
Because this actually makes sense, and common sense is something that all governments lack. It's contrary to the nature of the beast...
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I figure thousands of more teachers across the nation are being paid to do nothing.
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