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wow

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/06...ction.html

If we had a President with a pair between his legs, I'd say the US and Iraq should return the favor to Iran and fund/support the opposition and encourage civil war to overthrow the Mullahs.


but I said, "IF"
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(06-15-2009 02:54 PM)GGniner Wrote:  wow

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/06...ction.html

If we had a President with a pair between his legs, I'd say the US and Iraq should return the favor to Iran and fund/support the opposition and encourage civil war to overthrow the Mullahs.


but I said, "IF"

With what? Your boy already emptied the piggy bank and spread us thin all over that region.

Not to mention the opposition guy isn't exactly squeaky clean. He had 30k political opponents killed.
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That's wreaking hell on the environment. Where's Al Gore now?
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actually it was Obama that Quadrupled the Deficit as soon as he got his hands on it with Porklus and other spending. Wouldn't take alot to push the 2 to 3 Million into storming the capital and taking it.

Forget the election, the Mullahs need to be overthrown period. Its an Outlaw regime

absent that, send in Jimmy Carter to 'certify the results'. The mullah's have alot to think him for anyway while he's there.
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Figures. More partisanship spin from GGNiner. Same ****, different day.
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(06-15-2009 03:17 PM)Artifice Wrote:  Figures. More partisanship spin from GGNiner. Same ****, different day.

Are you questioning GGniner's numbers? Feel free to add some facts to back your assertion.
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the White House may be ball-less, but Lieberman is not:

Quote:“Over the last six months, we have witnessed free and fair elections in Iraq and Lebanon, in which millions of people peacefully went to the polls, and in both cases, the Iranian-backed forces of extremism were decisively rejected at the ballot box.

“Unfortunately, on Friday, the Iranian people were denied this right, enjoyed by Iraqis and Lebanese and so many other peoples throughout the world, to determine the future of their country for themselves. Instead, through intimidation, violence, manipulation, and outright fraud, the Iranian regime has once again made a mockery of democracy, and confirmed its repressive and dictatorial character.

“We as Americans have a responsibility to stand in solidarity with people when they are denied their rights by repressive regimes. When elections are stolen, our government should protest. When peaceful demonstrators are beaten and silenced, we have a duty to raise our voices on their behalf. We must tell the Iranian people that we are on their side.

“For this reason, I would hope that President Obama and members of both parties in Congress will speak out, loudly and clearly, about what is happening in Iran right now, and unambiguously express their solidarity with the brave Iranians who went to the polls in the hope of change and who are now looking to the outside world for strength and support.”

hopefully they pressue him into actually doing something. Not everyday you have 2 to 3 Million Iranians in the streets of Tehran protesting the Regime.
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and Victor Davis Hanson yet again nails it:

Quote:Thugophilia Isn't Moral [Victor Davis Hanson]



I think we are going to see, incrementally, perhaps, a rise in the ratings of former president Bush. Iraq is proving to be amazingly resilient, not only functioning as a democracy, but by withstanding the best efforts of Iran to kill it off, proving destabilizing to Iran itself.



By removing Saddam, and trying to isolate Ahmadinejad and appeal to the Iranian people, Bush at least tried to prep the landscape for democratic change.



In contrast, Obama's past siren calls to quit Iraq, the "optional" war, his snubbing of Maliki, his ahistorical efforts to charm the Islamic Street, and apologies to theocratic Iran while lavishing attention on Ahmadinejad put him on the wrong side of history.



If Obama were wise, he would get out pronto a statement condemning the anti-democratic violence of the Iranian government, and suggesting it follow the Iraq example of free and internationally inspected elections.


At some point, one should see that moral equivalence and multicultural non-judgementalism, however catchy for the moment, are as stupid as they are amoral, and will put the U.S in a foolish, "make it up as we go along" position.


Can we at least see an end to all the past Iranian fluff offered by Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, and NY Times columnists as over the years they praised what they claimed was a good start for democracy?



How did it come to pass that the Left thought cozying up to a brutal thug like Ahmadinejad was proof of statecraft superior to Bush's tough position that he was a nut and at odds with the aspirations for freedom of the Iranian people?
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(06-15-2009 03:36 PM)GGniner Wrote:  and Victor Davis Hanson yet again nails it:

Quote:Thugophilia Isn't Moral [Victor Davis Hanson]
In contrast, Obama's past siren calls to quit Iraq, the "optional" war, his snubbing of Maliki, his ahistorical efforts to charm the Islamic Street, and apologies to theocratic Iran while lavishing attention on Ahmadinejad put him on the wrong side of history.

I too was thinking that Bush deserved credit in this, and wondered if the MSM would cede it.

However, in fairness, Obama wisely chose to make Ahmadinejad his foil, particularly w/ his comments from Buchenwald.
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(06-15-2009 02:54 PM)GGniner Wrote:  wow

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/06...ction.html

If we had a President with a pair between his legs, I'd say the US and Iraq should return the favor to Iran and fund/support the opposition and encourage civil war to overthrow the Mullahs.


but I said, "IF"

Id be shocked if we are not already doing just that. It would be inconsistent with US policy to sit and mind it's own business.05-stirthepot
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I sincerely hope that further loss of life can be avoided, but it may come to civil war. Shittle, I'd be shocked to see any post from you that didn't look like a big steaming pile of dogshit.
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(06-15-2009 02:54 PM)GGniner Wrote:  If we had a President with a pair between his legs, I'd say the US and Iraq should return the favor to Iran and fund/support the opposition and encourage civil war to overthrow the Mullahs.


but I said, "IF"

Yea, because our coups in Iran have gone so swell. Many of the current problems in the region exist because of what we have done...in fact you can narrate a direct narrative all the way to 9/11. Read up on the aftermath of 1953.
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(06-15-2009 04:55 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  I sincerely hope that further loss of life can be avoided, but it may come to civil war. Shittle, I'd be shocked to see any post from you that didn't look like a big steaming pile of dogshit.

And I'd be shocked to see you actually engage in debate instead of attacks. Of course...I understand you are a violent person and its just your nature.03-lmfao
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(06-15-2009 05:43 PM)niuhuskie84 Wrote:  
(06-15-2009 02:54 PM)GGniner Wrote:  If we had a President with a pair between his legs, I'd say the US and Iraq should return the favor to Iran and fund/support the opposition and encourage civil war to overthrow the Mullahs.


but I said, "IF"

Yea, because our coups in Iran have gone so swell. Many of the current problems in the region exist because of what we have done...in fact you can narrate a direct narrative all the way to 9/11. Read up on the aftermath of 1953.

thats one take on the Shah coming to power, there are other takes on that which include the very complex history on the subject. Its not wise to Monday Morning QB the freaking Cold War and events that took place 50 plus years ago as a Cold War effort against the Soviets Ultimately. The current regime is in place mainly thanks to the limp wristedness of Jimmy Carter. Its a reason Reagan defeated him.

New Individualist Editor: Ron Paul's "interventionism" fraud

Quote:Ron Paul has become the most visible exponent of that malignant view of America. In my mind, his "blowback" excuse for 9/11 -- and "excuse" is exactly what his "explanation" amounts to -- is sufficient to completely disqualify him for any American public office, let alone for the role of commander in chief of the U.S. military.

For example, Paul repeatedly cites as aggression U.S. government actions that helped to topple and replace the Iranian regime of Mohammed Mossadegh in 1953. However, Paul rarely mentions these days (as he did on Dec. 3, 2002) that the U.S. and Britain did so "to prevent nationalization of Iranian oil." Instead, Paul's account of the extremely complex events transpiring within Iran in those days are reduced to a simplistic fairy tale of U.S. imperialism against a "democratically elected leader," a superficial fantasy that grossly distorts the full truth.

For one thing, it was not "Iranian oil" being nationalized, but that of the British company that had drilled for it, and which had it stolen by the Mossadegh regime. Mossadegh refused all subsequent diplomatic efforts by Britain to broker a deal to peacefully regain that expropriated property; indeed, in October 1952, he declared that Britain was "an enemy." Later, this pillar of "democracy" resigned in 1952 when the Shah denied his demands for broader "emergency powers"; he was reappointed by the Shah only when street demonstrations by his supporters threatened to overthrow the government. Back in power, Mossadegh then systematically began to communize the Iranian economy.

All this took place in the context of our Cold War with the Soviet Union, which had been plotting to extend its influence in Iran, via its puppet, the Tudeh Party, in order to gain control that nationalized oil. At the same time, U.S. intelligence agencies and the Eisenhower administration worried that Mossadegh was getting dangerously close to the pro-Soviet Tudeh Party.

Was it therefore unreasonable or wrong for the U.S. and Britain to take action to topple a dictatorial, increasingly leftist regime, in order to regain that stolen property and, more importantly, to protect American national security interests? Can this 1955 action in defense of private property and against totalitarian Soviet expansionism reasonably be blamed as the "cause" of "blowback" much, much later -- such as the Iranian Revolutionary Guard takeover of the U.S. embassy in 1979, 26 years later? or the attack on the World Trade Center in 1993, 40 years later? or even the destruction of four U.S. airliners, the Twin Towers, and part of the Pentagon in 2001, 48 years later?
Or is that "blowback" charge mere excuse-making for Islamist thugs and cutthroats?

The manipulative use, by Paul and too many libertarians, of vague, undefined smear terms such as "interventionist" and "neocon" permits them to blame the U.S. government for virtually anything it does in our legitimate, long-term self-defense, anywhere in the world. Actions to thwart coercive threats, such as forging defensive alliances, are "interventionism." Helping other nations counter a growing peril from a declared U.S. enemy nation (Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, Iran, etc.) is "interventionism." Sometimes, even trading with adversaries of dictatorial regimes (e.g., trading with Taiwan, an enemy of China) is "interventionism."

The only "moral" alternative they imply, therefore, is a de facto, hunkered-down pacifism: a steady retreat by the U.S. from any interactions in the world -- lest we diss some backwater bully, cross his arbitrarily declared boundary lines, offend him for his subjective notions of religious or cultural blasphemy, or thwart his laughable claims of "national sovereignty."

Part of the sloppy thinking at the root of "noninterventionist" lunacy is the tacit equation of individual rights with "national sovereignty" -- and also the equation of "economic interventionism" (against peaceful individuals) with "political interventionism" (against despotic regimes). Philosophically, these twin equations are completely bogus.

Anyone really want to argue and monday morning QB Churchill and Eisenhower, that they should've grabbed the ankles and let the regime STEAL Property from a British Company? That they should've sat back and just watched in pacifism as the Iranians moved towards Marxism????

This was all around the same time of the "Iron Curtain" speech, would it have been better if Iran had fallen behind the Iron Curtain instead of on our side of it???? How do we know today, if the same Mullah's or something worse or better wouldn't be ruling Iran right now?



God bless Winston Churchill, Harry Truman, Eisenhower and all the Cold Warriors.


btw, thanks for reminding me of why it is I despise the paultard so.
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(06-15-2009 05:56 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(06-15-2009 04:55 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  I sincerely hope that further loss of life can be avoided, but it may come to civil war. Shittle, I'd be shocked to see any post from you that didn't look like a big steaming pile of dogshit.

And I'd be shocked to see you actually engage in debate instead of attacks. Of course...I understand you are a violent person and its just your nature.03-lmfao

Any debate with you is vacuous.
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(06-15-2009 09:19 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  
(06-15-2009 05:56 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(06-15-2009 04:55 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  I sincerely hope that further loss of life can be avoided, but it may come to civil war. Shittle, I'd be shocked to see any post from you that didn't look like a big steaming pile of dogshit.

And I'd be shocked to see you actually engage in debate instead of attacks. Of course...I understand you are a violent person and its just your nature.03-lmfao

Any debate with you is vacuous.

I still hold out hope for you friend. We are NOT that far apart in belief systems...with the exception of the non aggression principle.

Im more than willing to cordially engage debate anytime....Im sorry you choose to close your mind to the true concepts of liberty...Peace be with you.
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You know the Iranian Mullahs are vulnerable.

Just a few million bucks put in the right hands to get people out on the street, to pay for printing, etc.. along with some streaming video cameras and the cell phone uplinks... and put a "liberation" radio station broadcasting from Oman.

Well, we could have us a revolution in Iran real quick. 04-rock
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I've read enough predictions of such a revolution happening for years now, lets get on with it.

I think atleast half the left want this now too, so they can claim Obama did it and 'saved the world'
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(06-15-2009 10:19 PM)GGniner Wrote:  I've read enough predictions of such a revolution happening for years now, lets get on with it.

I think atleast half the left want this now too, so they can claim Obama did it and 'saved the world'

Any destabilization involves about $3 million, to fund internal opposition media or to smuggle in the stuff with the right "marks".

Add $1 million to pay off the right people in the Security Services to tip off the opposition as to what is planned/is going down. Don't worry, they can be bought.

If the US doesn't pay it, the Israelis will
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