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(06-15-2009 10:10 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(06-15-2009 08:16 PM)niuhuskie84 Wrote:  In my eyes, no they dont mean anything unless placed into some larger context.

And by the way Reb, if you dont want to send your kids to my alma mater, then I think thats just fine with them. The waiting list is long enough as it is.

College prep? 03-lmfao

I have two degrees as well, thank you very much. I dont need your affirmation to validate my educational career.
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(06-16-2009 10:16 AM)niuhuskie84 Wrote:  I have two degrees as well, thank you very much. I dont need your affirmation to validate my educational career.

Degrees aren't the same as education.
06-16-2009 10:37 AM
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(06-16-2009 07:49 AM)Rebel Wrote:  Can a brotha at least get an answer as to what the "correct" climate is supposed to be from any of you warmers?

Still waiting, warmers.
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(06-16-2009 10:37 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(06-16-2009 10:16 AM)niuhuskie84 Wrote:  I have two degrees as well, thank you very much. I dont need your affirmation to validate my educational career.

Degrees aren't the same as education.
We know that from reading your posts.
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RE: Global warming in Chicago
(06-16-2009 11:09 AM)Rebel Wrote:  
(06-16-2009 07:49 AM)Rebel Wrote:  Can a brotha at least get an answer as to what the "correct" climate is supposed to be from any of you warmers?

Still waiting, warmers.
Our climate is supposed to be the same as Venus'. I think you would like it. It is very warm.
06-16-2009 12:02 PM
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I guess that's my answer. You guys have no clue.
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(06-16-2009 10:37 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(06-16-2009 10:16 AM)niuhuskie84 Wrote:  I have two degrees as well, thank you very much. I dont need your affirmation to validate my educational career.

Degrees aren't the same as education.

Or intelligence.
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(06-16-2009 11:09 AM)Rebel Wrote:  
(06-16-2009 07:49 AM)Rebel Wrote:  Can a brotha at least get an answer as to what the "correct" climate is supposed to be from any of you warmers?

Still waiting, warmers.

What do you mean, the "correct" climate?
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- If you don't believe in global warming: What do you hope to gain by proving that you're right? What will you do about parallel issues such as pollution, oil dependence, natural resource depletion, etc?

- If you do believe in global warming: What do you hope to gain by proving that you're right? What will you do about parallel issues such as pollution, oil dependence, natural resource depletion, etc?
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RE: Global warming in Chicago
(06-15-2009 09:06 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(06-15-2009 08:00 PM)niuhuskie84 Wrote:  
(06-15-2009 07:44 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(06-15-2009 05:31 PM)niuhuskie84 Wrote:  
(06-15-2009 12:48 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  http://weblogs.wgntv.com/chicago-weather...for-2.html

Quote:average temperature at O'Hare International Airport through Friday has been only 59.5 degrees: nearly 7 degrees below normal and the coldest since records there began 50 years ago.

Confirms what I've been observing casually. The entire continent has been 5-10 degrees below average for this spring.

Weather and Climate are not the same things.

Your point?

Because what I keep hearing is that w/ Global Warming we're going to have droughts, intense hurricanes and hotter temperatures. Sure sounds like weather to me.

Sorry, but you're wrong. Weather encompasses essentially whats happening "today" outside your door (or this season, what have you). Climate is weather as observed over very long periods of time, on a global scale.

Climate is not on a global scale, otherwise you wouldn't have climate regions.

Quote:Just because Chicago is having a cool spring in 2009 dosent mean squat when youre talking about climate

Of course it means something, it means every bit as much as "1998 was the hottest year in recorded history."

If you really want to talk about trends, we can do that. If you really mean "over long periods of time" then you're out of luck, b/c the GW opressors don't have those data. They've made their claims w/o such benefit, so they can be refuted in the same way.

Quote:..it is what it is.

Wow, and you're going to discuss grade school definitions? Let's see, "We'll use weather when it supports our case, but we'll ignore it when it doesn't. Baa baa baa."

Frankly, I don't much care for them making comments like "1998 was the hottest year in recorded history." Actually, I believe that was 1988. It's true, but doesn't mean Jack in the long term. And is the definition of anecdotal evidence. If you say the 80s were the hottest, at least you have a trend, though still not proof of an overall problem. You need decades of data.

By the way, I could be wrong, but I remember a scientist saying that extra CO2 doesn't do as much for forests as one might think. I don't remember the rationale.

I like it cooler here in Chicago anyway. 90s and humid isn't fun. You guys keep your 90s and humidity down there where it belongs.
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(06-16-2009 03:49 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  I like it cooler here in Chicago anyway. 90s and humid isn't fun. You guys keep your 90s and humidity down there where it belongs.

Chicago - late summer of '91 (august) I think it was - I was living there and it was over 100 for like 5-7 days straight (and 95+ for 2 weeks). That was brutal.
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(06-16-2009 03:43 PM)Artifice Wrote:  - If you don't believe in global warming: What do you hope to gain by proving that you're right? What will you do about parallel issues such as pollution, oil dependence, natural resource depletion, etc?

- If you do believe in global warming: What do you hope to gain by proving that you're right? What will you do about parallel issues such as pollution, oil dependence, natural resource depletion, etc?

Few if any have ever said they do not believe in global warming/climate change/whatever it may be called. The name is besides the point. Humans impact the earth, we know that. But when a single volcanic can emit more CO2 than all of human history, I have to imagine the old Mother Earth will figure a way to adjust.

My beef with the climate alarmist is not the more admirable concerns about pollution, oil dependence, natural resource depletion etc, but with how some form of NGO or government will suddenly decide that my house is too warm, or my truck has to be turned into the local distribution collective for recycling, or that my suburban house is suddenly not climate approved and I will be forceably relocated to a tenement in the city.....

That bit of silliness aside, my very real concern is that climate change will further the distiction between the haves and the havenots, especially in Third World Countries, and even in the States. If I own a small business that cannot afford to replace my aging courier fleet, or upgrade my office to LEED efficiencies, that some nameless buro-crate will decide my taxes go up, or I'll be evicted, or I'll have to pay a carbon tax. I firmly belive that Capitalism and Democracy are the main ways to Freedom, and climate alarmism is an easy way for any ruling class to enact further legislation keeping people in poverty, or at least ennacting so many roadblocks to success that one cannot ever hope to live like Al Gore.

My fear is that climate change alarmists, without proper scientific reasons, will use climate change as an excuse to further tell people how to live. One may scoff at that concern, but for me and many others, a growing government is a very real concern, not in a jackbooted way, but in an intrusion into my life type of way.
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(06-16-2009 04:00 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(06-16-2009 03:43 PM)Artifice Wrote:  - If you don't believe in global warming: What do you hope to gain by proving that you're right? What will you do about parallel issues such as pollution, oil dependence, natural resource depletion, etc?

- If you do believe in global warming: What do you hope to gain by proving that you're right? What will you do about parallel issues such as pollution, oil dependence, natural resource depletion, etc?

Few if any have ever said they do not believe in global warming/climate change/whatever it may be called. The name is besides the point. Humans impact the earth, we know that. But when a single volcanic can emit more CO2 than all of human history, I have to imagine the old Mother Earth will figure a way to adjust.

My beef with the climate alarmist is not the more admirable concerns about pollution, oil dependence, natural resource depletion etc, but with how some form of NGO or government will suddenly decide that my house is too warm, or my truck has to be turned into the local distribution collective for recycling, or that my suburban house is suddenly not climate approved and I will be forceably relocated to a tenement in the city.....

There are people just on this board that deny that humans can possibly affect the earth. And we already have government forcibly relocating people for no good reason - it's called eminent domain.
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Over the past 2-3 years in Michigan, we've had noticeably longer/rougher winters and shorter/milder summer compared to the string of years prior to it.

I'm not saying this disproves global warming, as I'm (a) only taking a relatively short 3-year window into consideration and (b) on a rather regional level.

But I'm just sayin'... It's been chillier in these parts the past couple years or so. As someone who loves long, warm summers and not particularly fond of record-breaking winter snows, I'll gladly take a little bit of some other states' "global warming" here if they don't want it.
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It has been cooler the past couple years, and I like it. This winter was pretty dang cold though. That was a bit much.
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This is the first year in a long time I can remember a long spring in Ohio. The winters have been cold, but spring seems to turn to summer in 2 weeks. This year we are still having spring like weather here, which is awesome. It is my favorite season.
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Hot as balls in Augusta.
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