Quote:If you want to see what President Barack Obama’s America will look like, look no further than California right now. Out-of-control spending, deficits as far as the eye can see and unsustainable promises to key interest groups have all combined to bring the Golden State to the brink of economic collapse. The governor and the state Legislature are struggling to close a budget deficit that has reached $42 billion.

I have been thinking the best example of how a liberal agenda works it's California, often hailed as one of the world's largest economies based on GDP.

Quote:The similarities between what Obama wants to do nationally and what California has already done should give Congress pause before it gives the president a blank check to remake our economy.

Liberal logic on this point would be WOW it's working in California so it has to work for the US.

Quote:Obama’s revenue plan mirrors California’s current tax system. He proposes steeply progressive income taxes on relatively few to fund the entire structure of massive increases in domestic spending. The California experience tells us there is no possible way that 5 percent of the country can pay for what he is promising.

But it's not fair that 5% of taxpayers are only paying 50% of individual income taxes, it should be atleast 75%.

Quote:The 2010 Obama budget also calls for massive increases in virtually every category of domestic discretionary spending, including education, clean energy development, public transportation, public infrastructure and housing, not to mention billions for more bailouts for politically sensitive industries. In the midst of these huge increases, the president made a major pitch to find $17 billion in savings from other parts of the budget. The Democratic Congress shot down those meager reductions.


Even with his rosy economic assumptions, cancellation of the Bush tax cuts, imposition of a new carbon tax and minimal defense increases, including declining payments to fund the war in Iraq, the president projects annual deficits of one-half to three-quarters of a trillion dollars for as far as the eye can see. If he serves two full terms, Obama’s accumulated debt will be larger than the combined debt of his 43 predecessors.

Interesting the $17 billion of proposed cuts were against spending increases not current spending levels, how hard would it be to just reduce the rate of spending increases?

Obama wants to be the greatest US president, by one measure, deficit spending, he is well on his way.

Will America follow California's example?

Part of the left's logic has always been, "We can't let them get away."

From the urban flight of the 1960s and 1970s, to the failed public schools, to millionaires fleeing MD in 2008, the freedom within the US has always allowed people an escape from the left's tyranny.

It has also provided the left an excuse for their consistent failures, "We didn't have enough money!" Every one of the left's social programs has ended in failure, bar none. Yet this mantra provides them with the excuse to keep them going for another round.

Ultimately, their goal has been to scale that up to a national level, so that no-one has a place to escape. When that fails (and it will) then it will be a global level that they crave. This is the dream of Obama's father; a marxist economist who like his peers ignored reams of empirical evidence that his efforts would fail, with the exception that the few would wield power.

Just getting rid of Obama isn't gonna fix anything either. The Repubicans will speak a lot about smaller government, cutting taxes, reducing spending, etc in the next couple of years... but it will be just more of the same crap once they are in control again. All hope is lost.

A few weeks ago we had a special election for 6 proposed tax increases in order to save California's economy. We voted 5 of 6 of them down. This made some legislatures and the governor think twice about spending increases but now the scare tactics are being used. They're saying they'll have to cut police and firemen, teachers, release prisoners, cut Welfare, college aid, etc.....In other words, we won't cut the pay and benefits to hundreds of thousands of state union workers, the highest paid state union workers in the country with amazing benefits, but we'll let the state burn down while crimes go unsolved. If Obama doesn't get his way he'll start using the same tactics.

:gasp: We are all doomed!

I hold no optimism for the future of the USA and advocate secession ASAP.

You're in NC, we can't separate from the Union.

(06-12-2009 10:09 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  You're in NC, we can't separate from the Union.

We came in voluntarily....I see nothing stopping us from leaving voluntarily other than the will to do so. I could see the new country of Carolina(North and South) working out fine.

(06-12-2009 10:18 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-12-2009 10:09 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  You're in NC, we can't separate from the Union.

We came in voluntarily....I see nothing stopping us from leaving voluntarily other than the will to do so. I could see the new country of Carolina(North and South) working out fine.

Per Sect. 4 of the NC Constitution:

This State shall ever remain a member of the American Union; the people thereof are part of the American nation; there is no right on the part of this State to secede; and all attempts, from whatever source or upon whatever pretext, to dissolve this Union or to sever this Nation, shall be resisted with the whole power of the State.

(06-12-2009 10:18 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-12-2009 10:09 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  You're in NC, we can't separate from the Union.

We came in voluntarily....I see nothing stopping us from leaving voluntarily other than the will to do so. I could see the new country of Carolina(North and South) working out fine.

Put FL,GA, and SC in too so we can form a football conference. I would hate having to go through customs to play ECU.

(06-13-2009 02:26 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(06-12-2009 10:18 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-12-2009 10:09 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  You're in NC, we can't separate from the Union.

We came in voluntarily....I see nothing stopping us from leaving voluntarily other than the will to do so. I could see the new country of Carolina(North and South) working out fine.

Per Sect. 4 of the NC Constitution:

This State shall ever remain a member of the American Union; the people thereof are part of the American nation; there is no right on the part of this State to secede; and all attempts, from whatever source or upon whatever pretext, to dissolve this Union or to sever this Nation, shall be resisted with the whole power of the State.

Those words on paper are as vacant as the federal constitution. Both have been usurped so many times that they are invalid by any measure.
When the tipping point is reached....it will not matter.

(06-13-2009 06:29 PM)egoboss407 Wrote:  

(06-12-2009 10:18 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-12-2009 10:09 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  You're in NC, we can't separate from the Union.

We came in voluntarily....I see nothing stopping us from leaving voluntarily other than the will to do so. I could see the new country of Carolina(North and South) working out fine.

Put FL,GA, and SC in too so we can form a football conference. I would hate having to go through customs to play ECU.

I would never support isolationism....I would always advocate free trade,travel and cordial relations with neighbors.