I know this is off this topic, but, you started this,and I gotta tell you, and I'm sure you already know this, but WHITE PEOPLE CANNOT JUST IGNORE BLACK PEOPLE. Not like BLACK PEOPLE IGNORE WHITE PEOPLE. After all 98% of blacks voted ObamaMessiah, just because he is black. Blacks want their own "Buy Black" economy. Imagine for a moment if 98% of white people voted for someone just because they were white. Or a campaign to get white people to only buy products at stores owned by whites. I'm tired of race being celebrated in this manner. We are all Americans and the OLD Racism is same as NEW Racism.

(05-27-2009 12:25 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  If anyone deserves reparations it's the native population left in this nation...

Blacks were merely made slaves. Many native tribes no longer exist because they were EXTERMINATED. The USA has not upheld one treaty. Blacks got their freedom. Natives still need to carry a card identifying them as a native of their tribe, and not one tribe still lives in their ancestral land, since it was taken from them forcably by the U.S. government. They were given the worst land available in the nation, and 35% of all native American males are currently in prison. Blacks have it easy by comparison...

Come on dude, if every conquered country got reparations or made whole again about 98% of the people living in the Americas would have to head back to Europe, Asia or Africa. Native Americans may have suffered some but what culture hasn't? Right now, Indians have their reservations that are essentially independent countries within a country. They're allowed to build casinos that pay no taxes - there are tribes here in Cali that get $15000 per person (every single person in the tribe) per month - tax free!!! And the Supreme Court has been historically friendly to them. It's entirely possible that left to themselves they may still be living in tents. Who know? But for many of them the pendulum has swung the other way.

(05-27-2009 10:12 AM)uhmump95 Wrote:  How many black people do you see quoting Jesse and Al? None!!!

You have a good point there. But who's giving them their millions of $$$?

(05-27-2009 10:12 AM)uhmump95 Wrote:  Trust me if you white people would ignore them like most of us blacks do they would fade away into obscurity where they belong.

Kinda hard because whenever a black issue arises it's those two you see on TV. Who appointed them spokesmen, the media or themselves? I know Sharpton cut his teeth on the Tawana Brawley case, an issue he still stands by and is hesitant to discuss.

(05-27-2009 04:48 PM)uhmump95 Wrote:  What has the NAACP done of late that has been so great?

The days of minorities being able to blame their issues on the man is OVER. If the NAACP hopes to consider to ever be relevant again, they need to stop looking for external causes to minority issue and start looking at the internal issues.

Sounds like you've been listening to Bill Cosby.....or maybe you ARE Bill Cosby.

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It is hard to believe that out of 41 Post before mine, no one had the grasp on Marriage that it is NOT A GOVERNMENT ISSUE to begin with .....

Getting "Married" has always been about Creating a Union Under God that is Sanctioned By God and is Unbreakable only by Adultery or by Death of ones Spouse.

Why would Gays need to go to some Fringe Clergy to have done what could be done at a Court House ????

The Marriage Ceremony is JUST THAT .... "CEREMONY" .... and until we allowed the Rosie "O'Fat-Ass" O'Donnell's and crew to Force their way into everything and demand Same-Sex Marriage in the very exact same way a Man and a Woman does it, this Pure Stupid Foolishness would not even been allowed on a Legal States Ballot.

This is NOT About Marriage as much as it is about being angry f'cking Activist Radicals with Huge Chips on their Shoulders because Mommy or Daddy didn't take them to Soccer Practice enough or let them have Sex on the Living Room Couch while Mommy and Daddy watched reruns of the Simpsons and it is a march to push Flaming FagaRack lifestyles onto people who would other wise just look the other way.

You want Civil Unions, go to a Lawyer and have him file it in the Clerk of Courts Office and BAM, you have a Civil Union - - - what am I missing here other than the Fanatical Reasoning to Tear Down the Institution of Marriage as it has always been described just to Piss People Off and cause them to Hate Your Guts ???

The world I see is so Sick and Twisted that Houdini couldn't figure out how to unass himself from all the insane stupidity.

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(05-27-2009 08:34 PM)Tripster Wrote:  It is hard to believe that out of 41 Post before mine, no one had the grasp on Marriage that it is NOT A GOVERNMENT ISSUE to begin with .....

Trip,

As always the IRS determines will determine what is and isn't their business and they've formed an opinion on this subject. From their website to your screen:

Quote:For federal tax purposes, a marriage means only a legal union between a man and a woman as husband and wife.

http://www.irs.gov/publications/p504/ar02.html

(05-27-2009 08:56 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  For federal tax purposes, a marriage means only a legal union between a man and a woman as husband and wife.

http://www.irs.gov/publications/p504/ar02.html

Oh heck yeah, I know that if it exist, the Fed's say "TAX IT".

That is the only reason they care about Marriage; to use it as a Legal Term for Taxation.

The Fed's don't care about the Ceremony of it.

My wife and I were married by a Justice of the Peace nearly 30 years ago and we have yet to Redo our Vows in a Church ...

Everyone was acting a fool and trying to control and take over our wedding, so we basically told them to stick up the old gazoo and dropped by the JP's one afternoon.

Made a lot of folks good and angry after all that planning and mustering about - - I still laugh about it to this day.

But Church or JP, we still answer to the Fed's as a Legally Married Couple.

Seems a "Civil Union" would provide the exact same outcome and definition under the Federal Governments every prying hand into peoples lives.

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(05-27-2009 09:27 PM)Tripster Wrote:  

(05-27-2009 08:56 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  For federal tax purposes, a marriage means only a legal union between a man and a woman as husband and wife.

http://www.irs.gov/publications/p504/ar02.html

Oh heck yeah, I know that if it exist, the Fed's say "TAX IT".

That is the only reason they care about Marriage; to use it as a Legal Term for Taxation.

The Fed's don't care about the Ceremony of it.

My wife and I were married by a Justice of the Peace nearly 30 years ago and we have yet to Redo our Vows in a Church ...

Everyone was acting a fool and trying to control and take over our wedding, so we basically told them to stick up the old gazoo and dropped by the JP's one afternoon.

Made a lot of folks good and angry after all that planning and mustering about - - I still laugh about it to this day.

But Church or JP, we still answer to the Fed's as a Legally Married Couple.

Seems a "Civil Union" would provide the exact same outcome and definition under the Federal Governments every prying hand into peoples lives.

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My question is...Why even bother getting permission from the government anyway? If I had to do it over again...We would not have bothered. A marriage license is simply a contract with the government. We both got suckered my friend.

(05-27-2009 04:48 PM)uhmump95 Wrote:  What has the NAACP done of late that has been so great?

The days of minorities being able to blame their issues on the man is OVER. If the NAACP hopes to consider to ever be relevant again, they need to stop looking for external causes to minority issue and start looking at the internal issues.

Dear God Almighty, I hope that's the case. I think the main problem between our races is this "us vs. them" attitude. When it comes down to it, we're all f'ed.

SOAF, you don't live in the south. Black people can't ignore white people anymore than white people can ignore black people. Maybe it's an advantage for us. You're in CA? Or is that SMN?

I can assure you, we get along better here than the different people up north.

(05-27-2009 09:40 PM)Rebel Wrote:  You're in CA? Or is that SMN?

I'm in So Cal. Sum is lucky enough to be in Texas.

Sums in Texas.

Never mind, Steve got it.

Maybe it's me living in a military community, maybe it's not. I'm not seeing this "All blacks are Obamaphiles" here. Do I see them? Of course. It's just not what the media portrays.

Concerning blacks in or vets of the military, Obama does NOT get 98%. Not by a long shot.

Rebel Hou, TX
Actually a response to post#23, Where 95 said whites should ignore the likes of Jesee and Al. Whereas I said that approach does not work, makes matters worse. Jesee, Al like that confrontation.

I was nearby in the neighborhood when Joe Horn shot and killed 2 blacks robbing his neighbor. Made National News. Northerns wanted Joe dead. Saw Jesse, Al and Sheila Jackson-Lee try to stir up blacks by marching and protesting at the private residence of Joe. Death threats drove him out of his home. Joe was No-billed by the grand jury six months later. They are hard to ignore.

(05-27-2009 09:53 PM)Rebel Wrote:  Maybe it's me living in a military community, maybe it's not. I'm not seeing this "All blacks are Obamaphiles" here. Do I see them? Of course. It's just not what the media portrays.

Head out my way, you'll see it. First 2 bottles of whiskey are on me. We'll split the 3rd one.

Could it be that the media, being generally on the leftist plane of politics, shows you what they want to show you of the black community? I remember when Alexandra Pelosi did a show in Mississippi and they were talking about politics. She was talking to two black guys and asked about what they thought about a white person saying "******" or something to that affect. The black guy stood up and berated the hell out of her because she was trying to show the entire STATE as racist. Called her liberal and everything else.

Memphis fans, no jokes!

(05-27-2009 08:21 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(05-27-2009 12:25 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  If anyone deserves reparations it's the native population left in this nation...

Blacks were merely made slaves. Many native tribes no longer exist because they were EXTERMINATED. The USA has not upheld one treaty. Blacks got their freedom. Natives still need to carry a card identifying them as a native of their tribe, and not one tribe still lives in their ancestral land, since it was taken from them forcably by the U.S. government. They were given the worst land available in the nation, and 35% of all native American males are currently in prison. Blacks have it easy by comparison...

Come on dude, if every conquered country got reparations or made whole again about 98% of the people living in the Americas would have to head back to Europe, Asia or Africa. Native Americans may have suffered some but what culture hasn't? Right now, Indians have their reservations that are essentially independent countries within a country. They're allowed to build casinos that pay no taxes - there are tribes here in Cali that get $15000 per person (every single person in the tribe) per month - tax free!!! And the Supreme Court has been historically friendly to them. It's entirely possible that left to themselves they may still be living in tents. Who know? But for many of them the pendulum has swung the other way.

You missed the entire point of my post. Why am I not surprised?

Also, natives can build casinos, or whatever else they want, because they are a sovereign people. As sovereign people, given the worst land in this country, they don't pay taxes to a country they are not allowed to be a part of. So they are their own nation. Natives got nothing from the white man except lies, disease, and misery. And you think they should pay taxes for that!?!?!?

(05-27-2009 07:33 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  I know this is off this topic, but, you started this,and I gotta tell you, and I'm sure you already know this, but WHITE PEOPLE CANNOT JUST IGNORE BLACK PEOPLE. Not like BLACK PEOPLE IGNORE WHITE PEOPLE. After all 98% of blacks voted ObamaMessiah, just because he is black. Blacks want their own "Buy Black" economy. Imagine for a moment if 98% of white people voted for someone just because they were white. Or a campaign to get white people to only buy products at stores owned by whites. I'm tired of race being celebrated in this manner. We are all Americans and the OLD Racism is same as NEW Racism.

Here is my take on your post:

1. I did not say that white people need to ignore black people. I said white people need to ignore Jesse and Al. It is the mainstream (white) media that set those two up as being black leaders. Trust me, most blacks do not see them that way.

2. Yes most black did vote for Obama because he was black. I personally was leaning towards Hillary until she played the "sex" card and "cried" during a news conference. In 2000, I was set to vote for McCain because he came across as a moderate. Unfortunately Bush and the great state of South Carolina did him in.

3. I do not support a buy black campaign. I support what is best for my community and what is best for my wallet.

4. I agree that racism in all of its forms are bad. The goes from whites hating minorities, to having racial quotas, to believing that someone can be a better judge because they are Latino.