(05-18-2009 01:57 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

Quote:As if this doesn't happen already? It's rare to see a top team play more than one tough OOC record.

You still get in by winning your conference (which U$C does w/ regularity) 10-2 may bump another 10-2 team, that's life. THere are still bowl games.

But I read this -

Quote:2. That being said, I don't think every conference champ should get an invite. Here are the rules: A champ gets an automatic invite if it's 9-3 or better, and has at least 1 OOC, FBS victory. 6-5 shouldn't bump out 10-2 teams.

How does it work for conference champ that is 8-4 with your other requisite wins? My point about the OOC schedule is that since so many NIU's of the world need the big OOC money game, and unfortuntaly have a probable big money payout OOC loss, plus a tought conference schedule, should their record keep them out of a Championship?

Most years a worthy champ, from the MAC, WAC, CUSA, etc, is undefeated or 1 loss. 2 losses is pretty flexible.

Even w/ money games, usually you only have 2 of those, the rest are winnable games. It just how it is. Sure, you can conceive of other scenarios, where Troy schedules 'Bama, Texas, U$C and Penn St, all in one year...but that just doesn't happen.

More to the point, W and L are a zero sum game. If the MAC is tough, then other there won't be an excess of BCS teams w/ 10-2 records...those teams have more losses.

Again, you can test my comments from past years. It's not hard.

What's more, it's even fun. Because when you start considering the parings in a playoff (and I emphasize geography in the matchups) you see that a playoff could be a blast. And leaving out 6-6 Buffalo keeps the integrity, it doesn't take away.

(In reality, you'll probably lose the conf championship games. This wasn't an issue when I first started pushing for a playoff, but I think a playoff could still make up for that lost income. But realistically, the NCAA and its members will have to consider what they mean by amateur athletics.)

(05-18-2009 10:55 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  2. That being said, I don't think every conference champ should get an invite. Here are the rules: A champ gets an automatic invite if it's 9-3 or better, and has at least 1 OOC, FBS victory. 6-5 shouldn't bump out 10-2 teams.

Under that scenario for 2008, the following conferences would be excluded:

ACC
CUSA
MAC
SunBelt

Did I miss anyone?

Nobody seems too upset at all the autobids in basketball to champions from drek conferences. Why should they be upset here. Same sort of thing where you have the champions from all Division FBS conferences (ACC, BE, SEC, B10, B12, PAC10, CUSA, WAC, MAC, MWC, and SBC) with 5 at large. The people will fight about the 5 at large teams who got in, but not about the autobids. So you end up with for example the #1 seed say, OU vs. 16 seed (probably the SBC champ). And so on. The odds are that most of the non-BCS conference champions will be low seeds and be tune-up games, but every now and then a Cinderella makes a run which would create even more excitement.

(05-18-2009 02:40 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(05-18-2009 10:55 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  2. That being said, I don't think every conference champ should get an invite. Here are the rules: A champ gets an automatic invite if it's 9-3 or better, and has at least 1 OOC, FBS victory. 6-5 shouldn't bump out 10-2 teams.

Under that scenario for 2008, the following conferences would be excluded:

ACC
CUSA
MAC
SunBelt

Did I miss anyone?

This isn't necessarily so. What I said was you lose your automatic bid. You can still get a bid if you're a top 16 team.

Plus your summary is only if the MAC plays the MACC. As I mentioned, that would likely get dropped, and undefeated Ball St gets the bid (as it should have).

Once again, if you want to see a 5-6 MTSU bump a 9-2 UT (and it's pretty fair to say I'm not a SEC fan) who lost two close road games...and you call that a better playoff system, it's your prerogative. I don't buy it.

(05-18-2009 02:56 PM)EastStang Wrote:  Nobody seems too upset at all the autobids in basketball to champions from drek conferences. Why should they be upset here.

1) Because the 16/120 isn't as high as 65/347.

2) Because its likely that excluded teams from fball have a record much closer to the conf champs'. For the record, I get very upset when a 24-win Davidson or Akron team gets ignored. Not identical, but similar.

There are teams in the top 16 that don't deserve a shot at the title just like teams from small auto bid conferences. I don't see the difference. Everyone deserves a shot. Win your conference and you're in. JMO