No I was referring to Sum's often posted video of the, sorry of I offend someone, the middle/high-school JROTC wannabee black kids making a home movie about supporting Obama, The Candidate.

Sum likes to link it with a title of "Obama's Civilian Security Force," for some reason. You are free to draw your own conclusions as to his intentions. I think he is trying to play to our fears/naivete and would have us believe that it is video evidence of the "neo-brownshirts" in training.

I never though I would disagree with a politician this much, yet feel compelled to defend him so often. Such is the case in the Tripster/SumOfAllFears administraton. Yes, you two are the de facto leaders of this board. You set the agenda, or more accurately, cut and paste the article/post the link, and we all fall into place, including RobertN.
The ironic thing is, I regard this (expansion of americorps, etc.) as a big fat waste of money. Kids would be far better off getting a real job, in the private sector, where they have to earn their keep, or be fired. Thats how things work in the real world. Yet, here I am defending it. Although only its intentions, not its efficiency, or value.

Oh, well.

Per FactCheck.org

November 11, 2008
Q:

Is Obama planning a Gestapo-like "civilian national security force"?
I read a quote from Rep. Paul Broun from Georgia which stated that Obama wants to set up a civilian national security force that was similar to the "Gestapo" or the Nazi Brownshirts.

What is the truth behind Obama's statements that he wants to create a "civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded [as the military]"?
A:

This false claim is a badly distorted version of Obama's call for doubling the Peace Corps, creating volunteer networks and increasing the size of the Foreign Service.
This question stems from an interview that Republican Rep. Broun of Georgia gave to The Associated Press Nov. 10. The story carried a headline, "Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship." It said that Broun "fears that President-elect Obama will establish a Gestapo-like security force to impose a Marxist or fascist dictatorship." And it quoted him this way:

Rep. Paul Broun, Nov. 10: It may sound a bit crazy and off base, but the thing is, he's [Obama's] the one who proposed this national security force. ... That's exactly what Hitler did in Nazi Germany and it's exactly what the Soviet Union did.

Similar claims have been circulating in right-leaning blogs and conservative Web sites ever since July, when Obama made a single reference to a "civilian national security force" in a campaign speech in Colorado. Obama's detractors make much of his expansive (and exaggerated) description of such a force as being "just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded" as the U.S. military. They also ignore the context.

Obama was not talking about a "security force" with guns or police powers. He was talking specifically about expanding AmeriCorps and the Peace Corps and the USA Freedom Corps, which is the volunteer initiative launched by the Bush administration after the attacks of 9/11, and about increasing the number of trained Foreign Service officers who populate U.S. embassies overseas.

Here is the relevant portion of what Obama actually said, with the sentences quoted selectively by Broun and others in bold.

Obama, July 2, Colorado Springs, CO: [As] president I will expand AmeriCorps to 250,000 slots [from 75,000] and make that increased service a vehicle to meet national goals, like providing health care and education, saving our planet and restoring our standing in the world, so that citizens see their effort connected to a common purpose.

People of all ages, stations and skills will be asked to serve. Because when it comes to the challenges we face, the American people are not the problem – they are the answer. So we are going to send more college graduates to teach and mentor our young people. We'll call on Americans to join an energy corps, to conduct renewable energy and environmental clean-up projects in their neighborhoods all across the country.

We will enlist our veterans to find jobs and support for other vets, and to be there for our military families. And we're going to grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy. We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set.

We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded. We need to use technology to connect people to service. We'll expand USA Freedom Corps to create online networks where American can browse opportunities to volunteer. You'll be able to search by category, time commitment and skill sets. You'll be able to rate service opportunities, build service networks, and create your own service pages to track your hours and activities.

This will empower more Americans to craft their own service agenda and make their own change from the bottom up.

Does that sound like a force that could kick down your door in the middle of the night and haul you off to a Gulag or concentration camp? You decide.

-Brooks Jackson

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dwr0109

If you were to list all my "Copy/Paste and Link Derived Post" and compare them versus MY own Thoughts and Opinion Post .... there will be much lacking on the Copy/Paste side to the point of almost non-existent.

When making a point and confirmation is necessary, I will insert the needed link or quote so the reference is there.

And as far as the "Obama Civil Service Corps" goes ... you really need to listen to the man say it from his own mouth in full public view.

Obama clearly states that, and I quote, "We must have a 'Civilian Security Force' that is AS LARGE and is AS WELL FUNDED as the UNITED STATES MILITARY IS", unquote.

Obama does not equivocate on this idea and I don't know what other conclusions you can draw from the above Obama Public Quote, of which I have Video on, but to me I see nothing but "Hitler Brown Shirts" running amuck and turning every one in to the Obama Gestapo just like what happened in Nazi Germany.

My videos will have to be found since I have so many, but they are there ... oh heck, just let me hit YouTube real quick and grab it from there ....



And no matter what 'Context' you put this Quote into, it still calls for a "National SECURITY FORCE" as well funded and just as Strong as the United States Military.

If it Walks Like a Duck, it Quacks like a Duck, Sh'ts like a Duck, then it ain't no Goose, it's a "National Civilian SECURITY FORCE" with "Mandated Powers of Keeping National SECURITY" and being a Military Vet, this rattles me down to the core as it should everyone else.

If it is just the Peace Corps or any of the Other Volunteer Organizations, WHY CALL IT A "SECURITY FORCE" ???

Now that is a hard one to answer or at least I hope it is a hard one to answer for any of us .....

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(05-15-2009 08:10 AM)dwr0109 Wrote:  No I was referring to Sum's often posted video of the, sorry of I offend someone, the middle/high-school JROTC wannabee black kids making a home movie about supporting Obama, The Candidate.

Sum likes to link it with a title of "Obama's Civilian Security Force," for some reason. You are free to draw your own conclusions as to his intentions. I think he is trying to play to our fears/naivete and would have us believe that it is video evidence of the "neo-brownshirts" in training.

I never though I would disagree with a politician this much, yet feel compelled to defend him so often. Such is the case in the Tripster/SumOfAllFears administraton. Yes, you two are the de facto leaders of this board. You set the agenda, or more accurately, cut and paste the article/post the link, and we all fall into place, including RobertN.
The ironic thing is, I regard this (expansion of americorps, etc.) as a big fat waste of money. Kids would be far better off getting a real job, in the private sector, where they have to earn their keep, or be fired. Thats how things work in the real world. Yet, here I am defending it. Although only its intentions, not its efficiency, or value.

Oh, well.

Per FactCheck.org

November 11, 2008
Q:

Is Obama planning a Gestapo-like "civilian national security force"?
I read a quote from Rep. Paul Broun from Georgia which stated that Obama wants to set up a civilian national security force that was similar to the "Gestapo" or the Nazi Brownshirts.

What is the truth behind Obama's statements that he wants to create a "civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded [as the military]"?
A:

This false claim is a badly distorted version of Obama's call for doubling the Peace Corps, creating volunteer networks and increasing the size of the Foreign Service.
This question stems from an interview that Republican Rep. Broun of Georgia gave to The Associated Press Nov. 10. The story carried a headline, "Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship." It said that Broun "fears that President-elect Obama will establish a Gestapo-like security force to impose a Marxist or fascist dictatorship." And it quoted him this way:

Rep. Paul Broun, Nov. 10: It may sound a bit crazy and off base, but the thing is, he's [Obama's] the one who proposed this national security force. ... That's exactly what Hitler did in Nazi Germany and it's exactly what the Soviet Union did.

I know Paul Broun. He is a pretty good guy. But he has it worng in this case. Obama's "Brownshirts" are not a bunch a kids in AmeriCorps.... they are his community organizer thugs associated with ACORN.

Wait, I posted the transcript of his text. But it is much more sinister if I hear him say it? O.K. I guess I'll go ahead and check out the video link. Did you ever consider the fact that you just might be "slightly" biased in your opinion of the guy? And that it may affect your opinions, especially, when you receive negative information about him, regardless of the veracity of the claims?

I am sure that the DU posters feel the same way about Bush. I posted the transcript, and the context of the statement.

This reminds me of the "Obama says drive Moderates out of the party "e-mail/often-posted "article" (at least twice on this site) that I actually read the context of, and dispelled, on this very board. The guy is spending like a drunken sailor, and using the same, "we have to act immediately," cover, that I remember in the run-up to the 2nd Iraq war. I had serious reservations about both actions. I still think that both were tremendous mistakes/actions with ulterior motives. Yet, this (above) is what you are talking about.

O.K. Your (WMD and Tripster) beliefs are duly noted. Please refresh this post when the Obama Brownshirts come into fruition. Kicking down doors, and hauling off dissenters.

In that event, I will gladly eat tons of crow. But, if your beliefs are correct, that will be the least of my worries.

IMO, you have far larger, and much more realistic things, with which to concern yourselves.

(05-17-2009 05:40 AM)dwr0109 Wrote:  Wait, I posted the transcript of his text. But it is much more sinister if I hear him say it? O.K. I guess I'll go ahead and check out the video link. Did you ever consider the fact that you just might be "slightly" biased in your opinion of the guy? And that it may affect your opinions, especially, when you receive negative information about him, regardless of the veracity of the claims?

I am sure that the DU posters feel the same way about Bush. I posted the transcript, and the context of the statement.

This reminds me of the "Obama says drive Moderates out of the party "e-mail/often-posted "article" (at least twice on this site) that I actually read the context of, and dispelled, on this very board. The guy is spending like a drunken sailor, and using the same, "we have to act immediately," cover, that I remember in the run-up to the 2nd Iraq war. I had serious reservations about both actions. I still think that both were tremendous mistakes/actions with ulterior motives. Yet, this (above) is what you are talking about.

O.K. Your (WMD and Tripster) beliefs are duly noted. Please refresh this post when the Obama Brownshirts come into fruition. Kicking down doors, and hauling off dissenters.

In that event, I will gladly eat tons of crow. But, if your beliefs are correct, that will be the least of my worries.

IMO, you have far larger, and much more realistic things, with which to concern yourselves.

Hey, I am with you on this one and hope this "Security Force" is some sort of mis-speak, but he has said this at least 1000 times or more while stumping and town-halling.

I have no desire to be in a war with Teenage Armed Thugs with a Mandate directly from the White House to wreak havoc at their discretion and whims .... but as long as the POTUS is calling this a "National 'SECURITY FORCE'", I have no other choice than to believe it to be something similar to the Brown Shirts and other Youth Security Groups used to Police a Frightened Population into utter submission or fear being dragged off to some Concentration/Reeducation Camp.

I don't trust Obama in any form or fashion and probably never will.

As far as GW being pig-headed about Domestic Issues, I agree that he dropped the ball on most important and needed issues .... I do have to give him his due on keeping the Nation Safe from any further Terrorist Attacks.

Even though Robert wants to keep bringing up the Anthrax Letters which were a joke of all joke compared to the horror of September 11th.

I just don't like what I hear about "Civilian Security Forces" who are to be as well funded, equipped, and as Powerful as the United States Military is, being unleashed on American Streets.

I mean we already have the FBI, NSA, ATF, DEA, and on and on down to the smallest Local Police Force to do this job.

You MUST Ask Your Self what on Earth is "an Obama Civilian National SECURITY FORCE who is Funded and Made as Powerful as the United States Military" ????

You Have to ASK and YOU MUST ASK .... it is OUR RIGHT TO ASK and to be TOLD.

This is NOT Russia - - at least NOT YET, but we are zooming there at the Speed of Light and almost no one is questioning it and that memorizes me beyond understanding.

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dwr0109, Such nonsense does not even deserve a response. but I just have to. Did you see him bow to the Saudi king or do you believe the whitehouse staff what they told you that you could not believe your own eyes, but believe us when we tell you? If the propaganda is out there, better check the record, ObamaMessiah and Rahm Emanuel are the one's that have put this out there, and NOT BOTHERED TO EXPLAIN WHAT THEY MEAN. Andanotherdamn thing, Explain how you are allowed to have "serious reservations about both actions", but you do not afford ME and TRIP and others here not mentioned, to have serious reservations about ALL OBAMAMESSIAH's actions, which appear to me to be ruining this country, hocking future generations, and dismantling capitalism. Spare me your "factcheck" veracity view through those pisscolored glasses.

Where did I post that video anyway? I cannot find it.