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Logic of the DHS report
...brilliantly destroyed:

(Right) Winging it at DHS

Quote:The Extremism and Radicalization Branch of the Homeland Environment Threat Analysis Division of the Department of Homeland Security issued a report last week. It’s called “Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment.”

I had no idea there even was an ERBHETAD of the DHS working on the RECEPCFRRR.

Who among us doesn’t feel safer already?
The problem with it is that it makes little effort to document or demonstrate its contention that “extremist” groups are resurgent, that they are right-wing, or that they may be formed from the ranks of “disgruntled military veterans.” Worse, it’s very sloppy about what qualifies someone as “extremist” in the first place. Basically, it’s fancy bureaucratese for: We’re guessing bad people will do bad things because the economy is bad and the president is black. But we have no real evidence

For instance, the report insists that returning “disgruntled military veterans” from Iraq and Afghanistan are recruitment fodder for extremist and terrorist groups.

But, if you follow the footnotes, as John Hinderaker of the Powerline blog did, you’ll discover that, according to the FBI, only 19 Iraq or Afghanistan war vets have joined the “extremist movement” (and some of them may have lied about their service). More than half of America’s 1.4 million active-duty military personal have served in Iraq or Afghanistan (and there are roughly 23 million veterans in the United States). Any way you slice it, 19 yahoos amount to statistical noise so faint you would need one of those UFO-hunting dishes to pick it up.

My objection to the DHS report — and DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano’s thumbless grasp of why the report bothers people — isn’t that the agency is concerned with domestic terrorists. It should be, even though it wrankles a bit that this administration is so squeamish to describe Islamic terrorists as “terrorists” but is promiscuous with the T-word when it comes to right-wing Americans.

The evidence that al-Qaeda & Co. are terrorists is widely available, but Napolitano boasts that she calls attacks such as those on 9/11 “man-caused disasters.” She says she doesn’t want to fuel “the politics of fear.” But her own department dubs nebulous and ill-defined groups of Americans as terrorists even though DHS has “no specific information” that they’re plotting any attacks.

My real objection to this report is that its source material amounts to “everybody knows.” Everybody knows the right is full of whack-jobs, hatemongers, and killers, and if we don’t remain vigilant, bad things will happen.

Just look at the coverage of these tea parties. To watch CNN, you’d think these were beer-hall putsches, as if emulating the Boston Tea Party and demanding less government were straight out of Mein Kampf.

I wrote a book on fascism which tried to show that what everybody knows isn’t necessarily true. The idea that soldiers will return from war and become right-wing militants? Well, that has its roots in Fascist Italy, where veterans returned as black-shirted shock troops of “Il Duce,” Benito Mussolini. The only problem with this theory is that what they clamored for was socialism — the socialism of the trenches! — and their leader had earned the title “Il Duce” as the leader of the Socialist Party.

The idea that American “hate groups” are right-wing and bristling with vets got new life with JFK’s assassination at the hands of a disgruntled vet named Lee Harvey Oswald. Everybody knew right away that Oswald was an agent of “hate” — and hate was code for right-wing and racist. Supreme Court Chief Justice Earl Warren summed up the instantaneous conventional wisdom when he blamed the “climate of hatred” for Kennedy’s death. Everybody knew that the Right was involved.

There was just one inconvenient truth: Oswald was a Communist who, according to the Warren report, had “an extreme dislike of the rightwing” and had actually tried to murder a right-wing former Army general.


When Hollywood filmed the Tom Clancy novel The Sum of All Fears, it changed the real villains from jihadi terrorists to a bunch of European CEOs who were secret Nazis. Because “everybody knows” that’s where the real threat lies.

Sen. John Kerry belonged to an organization of vets that considered assassinating American politicians. (Kerry denied participating in those meetings.) Barack Obama was friends with, and a colleague of, a terrorist whose organization plotted to murder soldiers and their wives at a social at Fort Dix. A young Hillary Clinton sympathized with the Black Panthers, a paramilitary gang of racist murders and cop killers.


Bring that up and you’re a paranoid nutcase out of Dr. Strangelove.

But if you’re terrified of a bunch of citizens who throw tea in the water and demand lower taxes and less government spending, well, that’s just a sign of political seriousness.

Because everyone knows who the real threat to the country is.
(This post was last modified: 04-17-2009 09:34 AM by GGniner.)
04-17-2009 09:30 AM
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RE: Logic of the DHS report
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The FIRST thing I would really Love To Know from these Yob Headed Yahoo's, ...

Is "WTF do you idiots consider the "Right Wing Extremist Movement" and under or by What Name or Title does it go" ???

A woman was murdered just a few miles from where I live only a few months ago by the KKK and the Damn FBI had absolutely NO CLUE the Ku Klux Klan were active in my area ????????????????????

DUH ????????

I feel so snuggly and safe !!!!!! 03-cloud9 03-cloud9

And they are supposedly the Intelligent ones out perusing for "Right Wing Extremist" and are arresting them ?????

Some one has got to explain this one to me, because on face value, it ain't workin' ..... 01-wingedeagle 01-wingedeagle 01-wingedeagle

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RE: Logic of the DHS report
thats the problem, the report is so vague it can apply to basically all on the Right, instead of pinpointing specific groups and with the case of Veterans paticularly dispicable.

Its OK to label right-wingers with the "Terrorist" label.

but we can't do that with, you know, actual terrorist that fly planes into buildings for 72 Virgins and to acheive the goal of a Global Caliphate.
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GG I am a United States Vet and a Conservative, never in my Half Century Plus have I seen a White House go after anyone like these individuals are.

They are like Ravenous Wolves slobbering and slathering over their prey as they savior the Moment of the Kill.

This Mentally Ill kind of White House Foolishness is going to drive people into Militias and Extremist Groups and I believe that is Exactly Obama's Plan.

He is tossing out the bait with Threats of Violence and Arrest for those/these So-Called Right Wing Extremist and are so shamefully targeting Gulf War Vets as the Terrorist ???

This ought to tell every American Citizen to get out of the Military and stay out and if you aren't in, DON'T ENLIST !!!!!

I swear I thought Bill Clinton was one sorry-assed President regarding the Military, but Obama is into the Criminal and beats out both Clinton and Carter by a Trillion.

I honestly can't believe what I am hearing come out of the White House when just 70 Days ago, a bunch of "Left Wing Extremist" were THROWING SHOES at the WHITE HOUSE ???????????

Who is investigating them ??????????

WTF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: Logic of the DHS report
(04-17-2009 10:07 AM)Tripster Wrote:  .

The FIRST thing I would really Love To Know from these Yob Headed Yahoo's, ...

Is "WTF do you idiots consider the "Right Wing Extremist Movement" and under or by What Name or Title does it go" ???

That's what scares me too. Because if I simply don't enjoy Bill Mahr's snarky sarcasm, does that make me an extremist? I'm a bad guy b/c I'm smarter than Bill Mahr?

What happens when some 91IQ teacher dislikes me b/c I won't put my kid in his chemistry class, b/c he has no understanding of science? Does DHS get a call that I'm an extremist?

How does supporing a specific US Representative make me dangerous? Apparently Missouri thinks it might, so will they pass that info up to DHS too? Get me on a nation-wide watch list?

This is insane. I don't need or want some big brother federal agency trying to spy on 300M people.
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(04-17-2009 11:09 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  That's what scares me too. Because if I simply don't enjoy Bill Mahr's snarky sarcasm, does that make me an extremist? I'm a bad guy b/c I'm smarter than Bill Mahr?

What happens when some 91IQ teacher dislikes me b/c I won't put my kid in his chemistry class, b/c he has no understanding of science? Does DHS get a call that I'm an extremist?

How does supporing a specific US Representative make me dangerous? Apparently Missouri thinks it might, so will they pass that info up to DHS too? Get me on a nation-wide watch list?

This is insane. I don't need or want some big brother federal agency trying to spy on 300M people.

And the Simpleton Childlike Idiocy of this mess is even more enraging ergo the shear Partisan Defamation of a group of people who have done absolutely nothing to even warrant such a claim being lodged against them.

Who are these people who are in the White House ??? And who on Earth put them there except Serve Their Country and Be Conservatives ???

And this line just brings me back to the Gifted Way Adrian Cronauer saw the Inner World of the Military and the Government:

Quote: "I had no idea there even was an ERBHETAD of the DHS working on the RECEPCFRRR."

What a bunch of Left Wing kookery that surely can be considered Extremist in every sense of the definition.

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