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Cuba....
Honestly, at this point, I don't really care whether we continue to impose sanctions against Cuba or not. Of course, I wasn't alive during all the stuff that started this, but does it make sense to begin a "dialogue" with Cuba in regards to opening our countries up to each other?

I mean, there must still be something wrong with Cuba if atheletes continue to "defect" every time they reach American soil, but what should we do?

Just call me confused about Cuba...but wanting easier access to Cuban Cigars.
04-13-2009 11:22 AM
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(04-13-2009 11:22 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  Honestly, at this point, I don't really care whether we continue to impose sanctions against Cuba or not. Of course, I wasn't alive during all the stuff that started this, but does it make sense to begin a "dialogue" with Cuba in regards to opening our countries up to each other?

I mean, there must still be something wrong with Cuba if atheletes continue to "defect" every time they reach American soil, but what should we do?

Just call me confused about Cuba...but wanting easier access to Cuban Cigars.

I agree...I think it is time to resume free trade with Cuba. Having an enemy 90 miles away is not really in our best interest anymore.
04-13-2009 11:33 AM
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RE: Cuba....
I agree, but please don't believe that their plight in that shithole right now is because the US doesn't trade with them. EVERYONE else does. They have access to every nicety we have here....it's just "who" has access.

http://www.therealcuba.com/
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RE: Cuba....
Castro should be offed, and little things like Property Rights restored first. This whole thing is not as simple as some like to make it sound also.

There are Cuban exiles all over this country who have claims with State Dept. over land/Property that Castro stole from them. Land, Businesses, etc....Castro stole all of it. If we just drop this thing, you are telling all these people they are SOL and Castro does not get avenged for his wrong. Trading with Castro will only empower the regime, and do nothing for the common people who will remain slaves.

That is just one of the complexities in this thing.



Its not equal to how people in China, Vietnam, etc.(not that China is perfect by any means) also. Castro is still the same Ideologue. The people still have zero rights unless they work for Castro. They are brainwashed, the state has rights over their kids for example.
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RE: Cuba....
actually, if not for the play Kruschev made on JFK during the Cuban missle crisis and the deal struck there afterwards....It would've been the Cuban war instead of the Vietnam War.

We made a pact with the devil to never do anything to get rid of Castro, in return for the Soviets removing their missles. Only reason that turd is still in power.


Castro also nearly pulled off a 9/11 scale attack on Macy's in NYC during the 60's, only reason it got thwarted was because of Hoover's FBI got tipped off.

Think we can trust a Commie Ideologue like this?


One other thing, if what Castro says below is true:
Quote:In a statement following the meeting today, Castro said that the delegation had expressed to him that a segment of American society “continues to be racist,” and is at least partly to blame for the travel restrictions.

I have two words for the Congressional Black Caucus: F*** You!
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RE: Cuba....
While I honestly can't stand Castro and his ways, I honestly can't see him being around that much longer. If you look at it, almost all of his revolutionary friends are gone. I actually had his old roommate as a Spanish teacher in high school, Mr. Peralta, and he mentioned the fact that after he is gone he won't have his fellow revolutionaries to follow his legacy, a luxury that Lenin and Stalin had. We should start working on free trade again so that we can have another ally off the coast of florida.
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RE: Cuba....
GrayBeard Wrote:Just call me confused about Cuba...but wanting easier access to Cuban Cigars.

Cuban cigars, as you speak of them, do not really exist anymore. All of the manufacturers closed up shop after the embargo and moved to the Dominican Republic, Honduras, or Nicaragua.

Of course, thanks to SCHIP, they will probably be put out of business soon, too.
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(04-13-2009 11:22 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  Honestly, at this point, I don't really care whether we continue to impose sanctions against Cuba or not. .

Count me with you. I have always been of the belief that outside of the barrel of a gun, the best form of regime change is capitalism and cold, hard cash.

I say flood the place with spring breakers, college grads on vacation before starting their jobs, Hedonism resorts and retirees. Make it a newer, closer Cancun.
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RE: Cuba....
it wasn't so much they 'closed up', as it was Castro stole their land and business(and ruined the soil over time)....then moved to Dominican Republic and eslewhere.

also, the Barcardi Rum family, use to be Cuban and property stole by Castro. They had to flea to DR and setup shop there.

there are tons of Cuban Exiles in the USA who have similar companies/land stole from them, and they've had plans for years to go in and take it back after Castro.
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(04-13-2009 01:01 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I say flood the place with spring breakers, college grads on vacation before starting their jobs, Hedonism resorts and retirees. Make it a newer, closer Cancun.

while I don't think a hard core ideologue will be motivated by trade to moderate, Nationalistic pride and his own ideology can and does trump that. As already posted, Cuba does trade with much of the world and the cubans are not better off for it..


that said, if not for Castro...My guess is Havana would be the capital of the Carribean and Las Vegas would be no bigger than Reno is today, if that.

the Mob was already starting to setup their little empire in Havana, then Castro ruined it. then they looked to Vegas and the rest is history.

ditto that for Cancun and Jamaica, both have also benefited because of the evil of Castro.
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(04-13-2009 12:02 PM)GGniner Wrote:  Castro should be offed, and little things like Property Rights restored first. This whole thing is not as simple as some like to make it sound also.

There are Cuban exiles all over this country who have claims with State Dept. over land/Property that Castro stole from them. Land, Businesses, etc....Castro stole all of it. If we just drop this thing, you are telling all these people they are SOL and Castro does not get avenged for his wrong. Trading with Castro will only empower the regime, and do nothing for the common people who will remain slaves.

That is just one of the complexities in this thing.

I wasn't of the impression that the ex-Cuban bourgeois were exactly in the Obama camp.

If anything, is this perhaps the best time politically in recent history to open the dialouge and relationship, because the noise back to BO administration, while loud, is not politically damaging?
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RE: Cuba....
definitely, if it is going to happen and we are going to help keep the Castro regime in power....let it happen under the Dems.

I would expect riots in Miami over it.
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RE: Cuba....
well it looks like Obama is opening up the gates as expected, hopefully this doesn't cement Socialism for Cuba forever.

another good blog in addition to the real cuba mentioned above:

http://babalublog.com/

http://lawtonfoundation.com/

its interesting how the Congressional black caucus supports what amounts to a Racist Apartheid regime like Castro's...he's a Communist of course so there is that.
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I think the black caucus tries to justify and legitimize itself by pulling stunts.
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yeah, I guess Castro being hispanic(while still white) and a Communist, is different than South Africa to them.(English, anglo-saxon)
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RE: Cuba....
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Well that Most Decorated War Hero and Outstanding military Veteran 'Bill "Take the Hill" Clinton', snuggled us back up in bed with Vietnam and the Commie Bastards are now siding with North Korea in favor of them having Intercontinental Ballistic Nuclear Missiles and are STANDING IN WITH freggin Libya of no less a country !!!!!!

"Vietnam and Libya" ??????? What kind of reversed evolutionary crap is that ???

We may as well lay up with another bunch of Commie Rat Fckers since we are becoming a Communistic Dictatorship as fast as the Sun sets and rises.

Kennedy should have went on and helped the total overthrow of Castro in Cuba and we could have told old Motley Kru in El Russkie to stick it where the "Hammer and Sickle" Don't Shine.

AHHHH ... it is all coming back to haunt us in our old age ....

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RE: Cuba....
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/04/c...ilout.html

good read, Humberto Fontova on "Cuba's bailout"

some interesting takes.
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