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Obama, Pelosi Again Push Amnesty for Illegals
Obama, Pelosi Again Push Amnesty for Illegals

Friday, April 10, 2009 7:14 PM

By: Rick Pedraza

Despite surveys showing that 75 percent of U.S. citizens are against providing amnesty, President Barack Obama and the Democratic-controlled House will push a system to make 12 million illegal aliens residing in the United States legal, a senior official in the Obama administration tells The New York Times.


Obama is making comprehensive immigration legislation, including the plan to make illegal aliens legal, a priority in his first year in office. Obama made immigration legislation a key campaign promise to Latino voters who turned out strongly for him on this issue.


The plan, which Obama will reveal publicly in May, reportedly will provide off-the-cuff amnesty and a legalization path for illegal aliens, administration officials tell the Times.


The plan reportedly will:



Bring illegal immigrants into the legal system by recognizing that they violated the law



Impose fines and other penalties to fit the offense



Prevent future illegal immigration by strengthening border enforcement



Prevent future illegal immigration by cracking down on employers who hire illegal immigrants



Create a national system for verifying the legal immigration status of new workers


Obama re-affirmed his stance on “pathway to citizenship” as the best way to address the nation’s immigration woes in a speech recently in California.


"I know this is an emotional issue,” Obama told an audience March 18 in Costa Mesa. “I know it’s a controversial issue. I know that the people get real riled up politically about this."


Cecilia Muñoz, deputy assistant to the president and director of intergovernmental affairs in the White House, describes the plan as “policy reform that controls immigration and makes it an orderly system.”


Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., who recently condemned raids by Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents, also is touting amnesty and a path for legalization for illegal immigrants.


At a rally in San Francisco last month, Pelosi told a crowd of illegal aliens and advocates for immigration reform that federal or local law enforcement of existing immigration laws is "un-American," the Associated Press reports.


"Who in this country would not want to change a policy of kicking in doors in the middle of the night and sending a parent away from their families?” Pelosi said about ICE raids on illegal aliens. Pelosi urged Obama “to stop the misguided raids and deportations that are tearing marriages, children and families” apart.


Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill., who is on a 17-city, cross-country tour intended to put a human face on the immigration debate, has called immigration officers "Gestapo agents," FOX News reports.


“The raids] must be stopped!” Pelosi warns. “What value system is that? I think it's un-American."


Pelosi refers to illegal aliens as "heroes" and pledges to protect their "right to work" in the U.S. She says illegals working and residing in the U.S. are “very, very patriotic" and are taking “responsibility for our country's future."


Rick Oltman of Californians for Population Stabilization tells the Associated Press he’s embarrassed by Pelosi’s pandering and her attempts to exhort illegals for taking responsibility for the future of the country.


“[She’s] insulting American citizens who consider themselves to be patriotic and obey the rule of law,” Oltman says.


"This is just another example of politicians blaming bureaucrats and police officers for things they don't like,” Mark Krikorian, executive director of Center for Immigration Studies, tells World Net Daily.


“If Pelosi wants an amnesty, she should be up front about it. Until then, police are sworn to enforce the law, and it is outrageous for her to criticize them for doing their jobs."


Meanwhile, Secretary for Homeland Security Janet Napolitano has ordered U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents to cease their workplace investigations into illegals.


The directive has had “a chilling effect on rank-and-file ICE agents, some of whom fear they will be investigated or prosecuted by the Obama Justice Department,” political strategist Mike Baker tells The Examiner.


Opponents of legalization legislation will try to mobilize public outrage against legalizing illegal workers while so many Americans are out of work. In the meantime, the administration will convene working group discussions with immigration groups and lawmakers from both parties, The Times reports.


Legislation on immigration reform is expected as early as this fall.


http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_p...01968.html
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Judge: Texas Can't Enforce No License for Illegals Law

Thursday, April 9, 2009 3:48 PM

AUSTIN -- A judge has blocked the Texas Department of Public Safety from enforcing rules that prevent immigrants from obtaining driver's licenses and identification cards.


Judge Orlinda L. Naranjo ruled Thursday that the department acted outside its authority when it adopted rules that deny cards and licenses to people with visas valid for less than a year.


The Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund had sued for a temporary injunction on behalf of five immigrants and a Lewisville landscaping business that employs seasonal foreign workers.


The fund says the workers, whose jobs required driving, couldn't get a license under the new rules because of the time limit on their visas.


The public safety department didn't immediately return a call seeking comment.
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Nightmares of the DREAM Act

A line-by-line analysis of the DREAM Act reveals no end to the nightmares. (1) The amnesty applies to illegal-alien "kids" up to age 35; (2) no provision requires that aliens provide proof that their claims of eligibility for the amnesty are true; (3) but the feds have to perform costly, time-consuming investigations to prove the claims are false in order to deny an amnesty to anybody; (4) the parents who broke the law to bring these "kids" here can get U.S. citizenship; (5) DREAM would remove the federal ban on in-state tuition for future illegal aliens.
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Florida Study Reveals High Cost of Illegal Immigration and Voter Dissatisfaction
Friday, April 10, 2009, 9:02 AM


A new Zogby International poll shows that Florida voters think that illegal immigration is hurting the Sunshine State by an overwhelming margin. A new FAIR study confirms the poll, finding that illegal immigration costs Florida taxpayers $3.8 billion annually, which is double from 2005.

The Zogby poll found that 71.3 percent of Florida voters believe that immigration has a negative impact on the state and 83.5 percent believe that illegal immigration has a negative impact on the state budget.

The FAIR study found that:

$3.4 billion a year to educate illegal immigrant children and the U.S. born children of illegal immigrants.
$290 million a year on unreimbursed health care for illegal aliens.
$90 million a year to incarcerate criminal illegal aliens.
The total represents an annual cost to each of Florida's native-born headed households of $678.
The study also estimates Florida's illegal population to be 950,000, which is 7.3 percent of the nation's total illegal alien population. Florida has the fourth highest concentration of illegal aliens behind California, Texas and New York.
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(04-11-2009 12:00 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Obama, Pelosi Again Push Amnesty for Illegals

Friday, April 10, 2009 7:14 PM

By: Rick Pedraza

Despite surveys showing that 75 percent of U.S. citizens are against providing amnesty, President Barack Obama and the Democratic-controlled House will push a system to make 12 million illegal aliens residing in the United States legal, a senior official in the Obama administration tells The New York Times.


Obama is making comprehensive immigration legislation, including the plan to make illegal aliens legal, a priority in his first year in office. Obama made immigration legislation a key campaign promise to Latino voters who turned out strongly for him on this issue.


The plan, which Obama will reveal publicly in May, reportedly will provide off-the-cuff amnesty and a legalization path for illegal aliens, administration officials tell the Times.


The plan reportedly will:



Bring illegal immigrants into the legal system by recognizing that they violated the law



Impose fines and other penalties to fit the offense



Prevent future illegal immigration by strengthening border enforcement



Prevent future illegal immigration by cracking down on employers who hire illegal immigrants



Create a national system for verifying the legal immigration status of new workers


Obama re-affirmed his stance on “pathway to citizenship” as the best way to address the nation’s immigration woes in a speech recently in California.


"I know this is an emotional issue,” Obama told an audience March 18 in Costa Mesa. “I know it’s a controversial issue. I know that the people get real riled up politically about this."


Cecilia Muñoz, deputy assistant to the president and director of intergovernmental affairs in the White House, describes the plan as “policy reform that controls immigration and makes it an orderly system.”


Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., who recently condemned raids by Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents, also is touting amnesty and a path for legalization for illegal immigrants.


At a rally in San Francisco last month, Pelosi told a crowd of illegal aliens and advocates for immigration reform that federal or local law enforcement of existing immigration laws is "un-American," the Associated Press reports.


"Who in this country would not want to change a policy of kicking in doors in the middle of the night and sending a parent away from their families?” Pelosi said about ICE raids on illegal aliens. Pelosi urged Obama “to stop the misguided raids and deportations that are tearing marriages, children and families” apart.


Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill., who is on a 17-city, cross-country tour intended to put a human face on the immigration debate, has called immigration officers "Gestapo agents," FOX News reports.


“The raids] must be stopped!” Pelosi warns. “What value system is that? I think it's un-American."


Pelosi refers to illegal aliens as "heroes" and pledges to protect their "right to work" in the U.S. She says illegals working and residing in the U.S. are “very, very patriotic" and are taking “responsibility for our country's future."


Rick Oltman of Californians for Population Stabilization tells the Associated Press he’s embarrassed by Pelosi’s pandering and her attempts to exhort illegals for taking responsibility for the future of the country.


“[She’s] insulting American citizens who consider themselves to be patriotic and obey the rule of law,” Oltman says.


"This is just another example of politicians blaming bureaucrats and police officers for things they don't like,” Mark Krikorian, executive director of Center for Immigration Studies, tells World Net Daily.


“If Pelosi wants an amnesty, she should be up front about it. Until then, police are sworn to enforce the law, and it is outrageous for her to criticize them for doing their jobs."


Meanwhile, Secretary for Homeland Security Janet Napolitano has ordered U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents to cease their workplace investigations into illegals.


The directive has had “a chilling effect on rank-and-file ICE agents, some of whom fear they will be investigated or prosecuted by the Obama Justice Department,” political strategist Mike Baker tells The Examiner.


Opponents of legalization legislation will try to mobilize public outrage against legalizing illegal workers while so many Americans are out of work. In the meantime, the administration will convene working group discussions with immigration groups and lawmakers from both parties, The Times reports.


Legislation on immigration reform is expected as early as this fall.


http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_p...01968.html

Wow! If only we had laws on the books now to stop Illegal immigration.... oh wait there is that I9 thing, if the feds would JUST FREAKING ENFORCE IT!!!!
No Amnesty, no citizenship for children born to illegal aliens, a child born to illegals should not have legal status.
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Pretty soon we won't exist as a country, we'll just be a spot on the globe anyone can come to and live off our dime.
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(04-11-2009 10:27 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  Pretty soon we won't exist as a country, we'll just be a spot on the globe anyone can come to and live off our dime.

Except that we're running out of dimes at a fairly rapid rate.
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I'm afraid that the only way to control our government growth is to quit paying taxes. Clog the courts with IRS cases and have a few Juries Nullify them and the GOV. will have to scale down or go bankrupt.
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(04-11-2009 10:54 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  I'm afraid that the only way to control our government growth is to quit paying taxes. Clog the courts with IRS cases and have a few Juries Nullify them and the GOV. will have to scale down or go bankrupt.

Two problems with that:
1. In tax court, there are no juries.
2. To file anywhere but tax court, you have to pay the tax first and file to get it back.

They've already thought of this and prevented it.
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(04-11-2009 11:07 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(04-11-2009 10:54 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  I'm afraid that the only way to control our government growth is to quit paying taxes. Clog the courts with IRS cases and have a few Juries Nullify them and the GOV. will have to scale down or go bankrupt.

Two problems with that:
1. In tax court, there are no juries.
2. To file anywhere but tax court, you have to pay the tax first and file to get it back.

They've already thought of this and prevented it.

What about claim as many dependents as you can to reduce withholding to the maximum level....then just refuse to file. I would think that mass refusal to file would probably throw the system into total chaos.
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Count me in favor of giving travelers an easy path to citizenship. Why would I object to adding more slaves to the plantation?03-lmfao
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(04-11-2009 11:21 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Count me in favor of giving travelers an easy path to citizenship.

Once they're here and don't intend to go any place else are they still travelers?
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(04-11-2009 11:07 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(04-11-2009 10:54 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  I'm afraid that the only way to control our government growth is to quit paying taxes. Clog the courts with IRS cases and have a few Juries Nullify them and the GOV. will have to scale down or go bankrupt.

Two problems with that:
1. In tax court, there are no juries.
2. To file anywhere but tax court, you have to pay the tax first and file to get it back.

They've already thought of this and prevented it.

You mean to tell me that when I'm sued by the IRS, I do not have a right to a jury trial?
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(04-11-2009 12:16 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  
(04-11-2009 11:07 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(04-11-2009 10:54 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  I'm afraid that the only way to control our government growth is to quit paying taxes. Clog the courts with IRS cases and have a few Juries Nullify them and the GOV. will have to scale down or go bankrupt.
Two problems with that:
1. In tax court, there are no juries.
2. To file anywhere but tax court, you have to pay the tax first and file to get it back.
They've already thought of this and prevented it.
You mean to tell me that when I'm sued by the IRS, I do not have a right to a jury trial?

You have a choice of three forums:
1. Tax court
2. US district court
3. Court of claims

District court is the only one where you can have a jury. Tax court is the only one where you don't have to pay the tax first and sue to get your money back.

The system isn't exactly rigged in the taxpayer's favor. Then again, the IRS has never been too concerned about following the Constitution.
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(04-11-2009 12:04 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(04-11-2009 11:21 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Count me in favor of giving travelers an easy path to citizenship.

Once they're here and don't intend to go any place else are they still travelers?

We are all travelers. Unfortunately, traveling does not allow you to escape tyranny.....Hey...Why should we be the only ones to suffer at the hands of the state?04-cheers
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Yeah, we need all the New "MS-13 Gang Members" we can stand crossing over into the land of Milk & Honey.

After all, Obama is starting to really piss people off and he is going to need a ton of no-conscience murderers to fill his "Mandatory National Thug Service" quotas.

You know, the kind of people that will break into your house, rape everything from your infant to the Mop Handle, then slit your throat and sit on top of you eating an ice cream sandwich out of your freezer while channel surfing on your Big Screen as you Gurgle Out your Last Drops of Blood.

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(04-11-2009 05:33 PM)Tripster Wrote:  .

Yeah, we need all the New "MS-13 Gang Members" we can stand crossing over into the land of Milk & Honey.

After all, Obama is starting to really piss people off and he is going to need a ton of no-conscience murderers to fill his "Mandatory National Thug Service" quotas.

You know, the kind of people that will break into your house, rape everything from your infant to the Mop Handle, then slit your throat and sit on top of you eating an ice cream sandwich out of your freezer while channel surfing on your Big Screen as you Gurgle Out your Last Drops of Blood.

ObamBam ain't no fool .... 04-rock

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Stop the insane drug war....Stop the welfare state. Problem solved.05-stirthepot
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Problem solved...But that probably wouldn't be the profitable solution at the top. I think you said before, Fo, that the drug war fills the pockets of certain officials and the welfare state secures a nice voting base for whichever politician vows to keep the checks and benefits flowing.
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(04-11-2009 08:15 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Problem solved...But that probably wouldn't be the profitable solution at the top. I think you said before, Fo, that the drug war fills the pockets of certain officials and the welfare state secures a nice voting base for whichever politician vows to keep the checks and benefits flowing.

+1...I have zero hope of either being ended. We truly are slaves on a large plantation. Master allows us a measure of freedom and provides us with distractions and simple pleasures as long as we pay him our tribute and remain ignorant as to our plight. Life is good!05-stirthepot
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