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RE: Obama Refuses repayment of TARP Money
(04-05-2009 08:37 PM)Paul M Wrote:  
(04-05-2009 05:39 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
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(04-05-2009 03:31 PM)RobertN Wrote:  I want mine and I can do what I want-screw everyone else.

Thanks for another quick example.
That was actually supposed to be said by you and your wingnuts not me. I probably wasn't clear enough. As for the water, I don't consider it greed. What I consider greedy is those in California, Arizona etc, who want to take the water of those that have it and screw who it affects.

Your really not that slow are you? My post 13 was a continuation of my post 12. You read both. Let me put them together for you slow poke.

Quote:OUR water? Aren't you the blankety blank blank who's always railing against everyone else claiming they are greedy? Thinking of no one but themselves? No concern for their fellow man? I want mine and I can do what I want-screw everyone else.

Context. It's all in the context, Dim. I said thanks for another example.

And what you don't consider greed,... well, that is greedy, Bug. Water doesn't belong to you. It's a natural resource. You don't wont to share what your area has an over abundance in? GREED. How is another state BUYING it greed? Other states sell your state what you don't have. Grow up little boy.
Oh, I am not talking about them buying it. They most certainly already are in the form of bottled water. I am talking about piplelines to bring millions of gallons to them. The water in some/many is already dropping and taking that much extra will soon make the Great Lakes not so great and look like that lake that Atlanta gets its water from.

Btw, I am not for permanent welfare. I think welfare is fine for a period to help someone get on their feet(a respectable wage for hard work when they get off would be nice too-not $8.00/hour).
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RobertN, Atlanta would HAVE enough water if you northern f'n transplants would stay your asses up north. Lanier and Allatoona used to sustain Atlanta until the population exploded with northerners.
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in Raleigh, were northern transplants over the last 10 years have taken the local Govt. and did a 180 with it(from Pro-Business to Anti-Business). With the drought in previous years, the Libs were able to pass laws that New Construction homes could not have Garbage Disposals.....they rationalized this over the supposed amount of Water they used.

luckily I think the drought years are over judging by last 6 months, will be interesting if they continue such an idiotic ban.
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(04-05-2009 08:07 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Rob, you're right. The people in California and Arizona made irresponsibly poor planning decisions in regards to water. But let expand your idea a little and compare the two sentences below:

Your position: It's greedy to take water from some one who has it because it screws who it affects. Essentially people should be held accountable for their poor decision making regarding their water.

My position: It's greedy to take money from someone who has it because it screws who it affects. People should be held accountable for their poor decision making regarding their money.

Your argument about taking water from those who have it can be tied back to everyone who pays taxes to support welfare mothers, or don't you see that?

BTW, by way of our taxes we GIVE money to welfare mothers. OTOH, the agencies that supply California's residents are paid for selling us that water and I only pay for what I consume. I can somewhat control my water bill but I can't control how much of my taxes go to lazy ass bums.

Freggin EXCELLENT Analogy !!!!!!!

Don't expect Robert to understand it, but it was surely not wasted Steve.

And Robbie, we have plenty of water for all your needs hon ... don't fret, the Gulf ain't gonna Al Gore and Go Bottom Up on us any time soon.

I mean even with Bill O'Reilly being all for the Global Warming Theory and all, it is still a bunch of fooey (as in Chop).

We just had a record flood here in the last 7 Days and we will gladly send all the Left Overs to you, packaged specially with the Hundreds of Trillions of Mosquito Larva and all .... (the little swamp dwellin' Black suckers that feel like a Guinea Wasp sting instead of a Mosquito Bite)

AND OH YEAH !!!!!!! We will also send along some "Love Bugs" too ..... they Fist from birth until they die and ruin car paint - - pretty much useless stinking creatures and a lot like Obama and Congress. They are the worst during the Rainiest Springs when the ground is made extra soft so they can slime out of their squallier to Pestorize .... you can have them all.

How 'bout dat cher ????

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Ok Robert,

Next time the Fox River floods, you can keep "your" water, and we'll withold all aid from the Feds. Sound fair?

And same goes for the next blizzard. Like the AZ and CA residents chose to live in a desert, you chose to live in a bitterly cold environment. So deal with it.

To be honest, I actually agree w/ these sentiments, it's just that you tend to pick and choose which ones suit you best.

I think making people face the consequences for their decisions will make them find solutions. Having the gov't step in and put them right back where disaster will strike again, is enabling stupidity.
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(04-06-2009 08:24 AM)GGniner Wrote:  in Raleigh, were northern transplants over the last 10 years have taken the local Govt. and did a 180 with it(from Pro-Business to Anti-Business). With the drought in previous years, the Libs were able to pass laws that New Construction homes could not have Garbage Disposals.....they rationalized this over the supposed amount of Water they used.

luckily I think the drought years are over judging by last 6 months, will be interesting if they continue such an idiotic ban.

I know I come off as anti-northern when responding to Robert, but it's only the people with Robert's attitude who I'm referring to. Many come down here for the climate, politics, etc., and that's fine. The ones I detest are the ones that come down here and try to turn us into what's "up there". We don't care how you did it north any more than Georgians cared how we did it back in Mississippi.
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(04-06-2009 09:22 AM)Rebel Wrote:  
(04-06-2009 08:24 AM)GGniner Wrote:  in Raleigh, were northern transplants over the last 10 years have taken the local Govt. and did a 180 with it(from Pro-Business to Anti-Business). With the drought in previous years, the Libs were able to pass laws that New Construction homes could not have Garbage Disposals.....they rationalized this over the supposed amount of Water they used.

luckily I think the drought years are over judging by last 6 months, will be interesting if they continue such an idiotic ban.

I know I come off as anti-northern when responding to Robert, but it's only the people with Robert's attitude who I'm referring to. Many come down here for the climate, politics, etc., and that's fine. The ones I detest are the ones that come down here and try to turn us into what's "up there". We don't care how you did it north any more than Georgians cared how we did it back in Mississippi.

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Exactly. If your ideas worked so well, why did you move?
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(04-06-2009 09:27 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(04-06-2009 09:22 AM)Rebel Wrote:  
(04-06-2009 08:24 AM)GGniner Wrote:  in Raleigh, were northern transplants over the last 10 years have taken the local Govt. and did a 180 with it(from Pro-Business to Anti-Business). With the drought in previous years, the Libs were able to pass laws that New Construction homes could not have Garbage Disposals.....they rationalized this over the supposed amount of Water they used.

luckily I think the drought years are over judging by last 6 months, will be interesting if they continue such an idiotic ban.

I know I come off as anti-northern when responding to Robert, but it's only the people with Robert's attitude who I'm referring to. Many come down here for the climate, politics, etc., and that's fine. The ones I detest are the ones that come down here and try to turn us into what's "up there". We don't care how you did it north any more than Georgians cared how we did it back in Mississippi.

03-lol

Exactly. If your ideas worked so well, why did you move?

Me? Mississippi sucks. That's a point I've never argued against.
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(04-06-2009 09:32 AM)Rebel Wrote:  
(04-06-2009 09:27 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(04-06-2009 09:22 AM)Rebel Wrote:  
(04-06-2009 08:24 AM)GGniner Wrote:  in Raleigh, were northern transplants over the last 10 years have taken the local Govt. and did a 180 with it(from Pro-Business to Anti-Business). With the drought in previous years, the Libs were able to pass laws that New Construction homes could not have Garbage Disposals.....they rationalized this over the supposed amount of Water they used.

luckily I think the drought years are over judging by last 6 months, will be interesting if they continue such an idiotic ban.

I know I come off as anti-northern when responding to Robert, but it's only the people with Robert's attitude who I'm referring to. Many come down here for the climate, politics, etc., and that's fine. The ones I detest are the ones that come down here and try to turn us into what's "up there". We don't care how you did it north any more than Georgians cared how we did it back in Mississippi.

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Exactly. If your ideas worked so well, why did you move?

Me? Mississippi sucks. That's a point I've never argued against.

Sorry, I didn't mean "you" as in "Rebel", I meant a generalized question, "you" as the guy who complains about his new locale.

You've always said good things about Augusta on these boards.
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I believe Torch ment northerners coming south.

Oops, to late. Never mind.
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(04-05-2009 08:07 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(04-05-2009 05:39 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(04-05-2009 03:36 PM)Paul M Wrote:  
(04-05-2009 03:31 PM)RobertN Wrote:  I want mine and I can do what I want-screw everyone else.

Thanks for another quick example.
That was actually supposed to be said by you and your wingnuts not me. I probably wasn't clear enough. As for the water, I don't consider it greed. What I consider greedy is those in California, Arizona etc, who want to take the water of those that have it and screw who it affects.

Rob, you're right. The people in California and Arizona made irresponsibly poor planning decisions in regards to water. But let expand your idea a little and compare the two sentences below:

Your position: It's greedy to take water from some one who has it because it screws who it affects. Essentially people should be held accountable for their poor decision making regarding their water.

My position: It's greedy to take money from someone who has it because it screws who it affects. People should be held accountable for their poor decision making regarding their money.

Your argument about taking water from those who have it can be tied back to everyone who pays taxes to support welfare mothers, or don't you see that?

BTW, by way of our taxes we GIVE money to welfare mothers. OTOH, the agencies that supply California's residents are paid for selling us that water and I only pay for what I consume. I can somewhat control my water bill but I can't control how much of my taxes go to lazy ass bums.

VERY GOOD ARGUMENT!! but as is predictable, Roberta will not respond. He's boxed in.
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(04-05-2009 10:26 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The difference is what gets put on yards. There's where water re-use has the potential to make a huge impact. Using treated effluent for outdoor watering (except food plants) has the potential to save major amounts of water. Even better, it saves most of that water in precisely those times when the pressure on water supplies is highest--hot summers, particularly during drought conditions. We need to be doing this on a national basis. Golf courses, parks, lawns--all should be watered with treated effluent.

Doesn't that require duplicating the entire infrastructure for water delivery (except those areas watered by truck)? It almost seems like fully treating the water may be more efficient. For golf courses and other large areas, putting an alternate water source may be more practical, but any of these has to pass through a cost-benefit analysis. Do you know whether that information is out there?
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(04-06-2009 11:45 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  From the WSJ today.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123879833094588163.html


[attention span warning]I had a feeling I had read that article before ... it's the article that began this thread ...[/attention span warning]
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alot of golf courses will probably go under this year, most of them lose money as it is, if we don't get our economic act together it will go back to being a sport for the rich only again.
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(04-06-2009 11:52 AM)I45owl Wrote:  
(04-06-2009 11:45 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  From the WSJ today.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123879833094588163.html


[attention span warning]I had a feeling I had read that article before ... it's the article that began this thread ...[/attention span warning]

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(04-06-2009 11:50 AM)I45owl Wrote:  
(04-05-2009 10:26 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The difference is what gets put on yards. There's where water re-use has the potential to make a huge impact. Using treated effluent for outdoor watering (except food plants) has the potential to save major amounts of water. Even better, it saves most of that water in precisely those times when the pressure on water supplies is highest--hot summers, particularly during drought conditions. We need to be doing this on a national basis. Golf courses, parks, lawns--all should be watered with treated effluent.
Doesn't that require duplicating the entire infrastructure for water delivery (except those areas watered by truck)? It almost seems like fully treating the water may be more efficient. For golf courses and other large areas, putting an alternate water source may be more practical, but any of these has to pass through a cost-benefit analysis. Do you know whether that information is out there?

Yes, it does require duplicating the infrastructure.
Yes, that is quite expensive.
Yes, it would be cheaper to fully treat the water and re-use it as potable water, but there are some severe psychological barriers.
All that being said, you still get more bang for the buck than you do from low-flow toilets and shower heads.
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(04-05-2009 08:07 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(04-05-2009 05:39 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(04-05-2009 03:36 PM)Paul M Wrote:  
(04-05-2009 03:31 PM)RobertN Wrote:  I want mine and I can do what I want-screw everyone else.
Thanks for another quick example.
That was actually supposed to be said by you and your wingnuts not me. I probably wasn't clear enough. As for the water, I don't consider it greed. What I consider greedy is those in California, Arizona etc, who want to take the water of those that have it and screw who it affects.
Rob, you're right. The people in California and Arizona made irresponsibly poor planning decisions in regards to water. But let expand your idea a little and compare the two sentences below:
Your position: It's greedy to take water from some one who has it because it screws who it affects. Essentially people should be held accountable for their poor decision making regarding their water.
My position: It's greedy to take money from someone who has it because it screws who it affects. People should be held accountable for their poor decision making regarding their money.
Your argument about taking water from those who have it can be tied back to everyone who pays taxes to support welfare mothers, or don't you see that?
BTW, by way of our taxes we GIVE money to welfare mothers. OTOH, the agencies that supply California's residents are paid for selling us that water and I only pay for what I consume. I can somewhat control my water bill but I can't control how much of my taxes go to lazy ass bums.

Yes, Robert, please explain why it's bad to take water from people who have it because they happen to live where nature put water and give it to those who've squandered theirs, but it's good to take money from people who have it because they were prudent and give it to those who squandered either their money or their ability to earn it because they weren't prudent.
I can actually make a much stronger argument in favor of moving the water than moving the money.
And for the record, I oppose the taking of water by LA from the rest of California. There is no place that should be on mandatory water re-use more than the LA metro area.
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How did this go from TARP repayments to California's water problems and other alternatives for lawn & golf course maintenance?
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