Fo Shizzle
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The change we can believe in!
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WoodlandsOwl
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RE: The change we can believe in!
I can see that happening..but the 'community service' is already in effect in many public/private schools already..
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04-03-2009 11:21 PM |
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Fo Shizzle
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RE: The change we can believe in!
(04-03-2009 11:21 PM)WMD Owl Wrote: I can see that happening..but the 'community service' is already in effect in many public/private schools already..
As long as this stuff is NOT tied in ANY way to a grade and is voluntary...I'm all for it. Otherwise it is tyrannical and I oppose it in the strongest terms.
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04-04-2009 02:17 PM |
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nomad2u2001
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RE: The change we can believe in!
I've personally never seen or heard of required community service in public schools. As far as private school I have seen it as a requirement for graduation at a lot of them.
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04-04-2009 02:32 PM |
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Fo Shizzle
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RE: The change we can believe in!
(04-04-2009 02:32 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: I've personally never seen or heard of required community service in public schools. As far as private school I have seen it as a requirement for graduation at a lot of them.
No problem with private schools doing whatever they want to do in this regard. Parents are not FORCED to attend these schools and voluntarily submit their children to their rules. The government indoctrination centers are using stolen funds That is itself constitutes coercion. Most parents have NO other option but to allow the kidnapping of their children and have them subjugated to the constant nonsense that occurs in these horrid places of government worship.
My mother taught 31 years in public education. I used to be an advocate of it because I saw how much she cared about her profession. Let me be clear...The problems in the PS systems are NOT the teachers fault. It is the DOE and its polices of "teaching to the lowest common denominator" that is dragging the educational system of the US down.
Get the Federal Government OUT of education and allow the teachers to do their jobs...Get the bureaucrats the HELL out of education an you would see a drastic improvement in the quality of the public education system. Government SUCKS in virtually EVERY damn thing it does...WHY IN THE HELL WOULD ANYONE PUT THE GOVERNMENT IN CHARGE OF EDUCATION?
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04-04-2009 08:40 PM |
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nomad2u2001
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RE: The change we can believe in!
I'm with you Fo. When you put kids under one, big, umbrella organization, you just ask for trouble. As I see it most school teachers want that control back in their classroom given to them by the state. When education is homogenized across the nation you lose the culture of those areas. If they are going to take our funds for school, allow the state taxpayers (or better yet, the tax payers of the community) to decide how they want their schools run.
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RE: The change we can believe in!
(04-04-2009 02:32 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: I've personally never seen or heard of required community service in public schools. As far as private school I have seen it as a requirement for graduation at a lot of them.
http://www.browardschools.com/schools/se...arning.htm
Didn't read the whole thing.......had to go puke.
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04-04-2009 09:43 PM |
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Fo Shizzle
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RE: The change we can believe in!
(04-04-2009 09:31 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: I'm with you Fo. When you put kids under one, big, umbrella organization, you just ask for trouble. As I see it most school teachers want that control back in their classroom given to them by the state. When education is homogenized across the nation you lose the culture of those areas. If they are going to take our funds for school, allow the state taxpayers (or better yet, the tax payers of the community) to decide how they want their schools run.
BTW...My mom graduated at ECU in elementary education in 1957. Wonder why she was a great teacher?
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nomad2u2001
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RE: The change we can believe in!
Service learning is crap in public schools. One of the Raleigh big-wigs came to my county trying to start a service learning program as a requirement for college/university track graduation. Needless to say, shut down immediately.
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04-04-2009 09:57 PM |
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Fo Shizzle
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RE: The change we can believe in!
(04-04-2009 09:57 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: Service learning is crap in public schools. One of the Raleigh big-wigs came to my county trying to start a service learning program as a requirement for college/university track graduation. Needless to say, shut down immediately.
Hey...I totally advocate that parents teach their kids that volunteering to help others is a noble cause. I did it with my daughter and now she gets great satisfaction from volunteering to help others. I doubt she would have the same feelings if she had been coerced into participation by bureaucrats.
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04-04-2009 10:28 PM |
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nomad2u2001
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That is true. I've even have teachers tell me about places to volunteer if i had asked. If there is ever a federal mandate (our gov't is not there to mandate anything in the first place) that you serve or graduate, then I will be convinced that education is putting us through some type of Business Process Engineering. Google it.
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04-04-2009 10:33 PM |
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Fo Shizzle
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RE: The change we can believe in!
(04-04-2009 10:33 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: That is true. I've even have teachers tell me about places to volunteer if i had asked. If there is ever a federal mandate (our gov't is not there to mandate anything in the first place) that you serve or graduate, then I will be convinced that education is putting us through some type of Business Process Engineering. Google it.
I bet you 100 worthless fiat dollars that the scope of this program will go beyond it's original intention. It never fails....Pay me now!
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04-04-2009 11:38 PM |
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nomad2u2001
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RE: The change we can believe in!
I'm not going to bet on something I know I'll lose on. All things that are mandated end up in the wrong hands or has loopholes that people can jump through; just like our SS system. It was put here to help the elderly, disabled, and temporarily unemployed. Now it has been exposed and abused by people who tend to feign real disability and those that are voluntarily unemployed. I learned a lot from that Eisenhower speech and what it says about governmental entities and their tendency to fall into the wrong hands.
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04-04-2009 11:45 PM |
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Fo Shizzle
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RE: The change we can believe in!
(04-04-2009 11:45 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: I'm not going to bet on something I know I'll lose on. All things that are mandated end up in the wrong hands or has loopholes that people can jump through; just like our SS system. It was put here to help the elderly, disabled, and temporarily unemployed. Now it has been exposed and abused by people who tend to feign real disability and those that are voluntarily unemployed. I learned a lot from that Eisenhower speech and what it says about governmental entities and their tendency to fall into the wrong hands.
Yep...Bureaucrats are incentivized to "grow" their programs. Whatever the budget amount is...it is NEVER enough for them.
I love that Ike speech. There was a lot more to him than most people understood.
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RE: The change we can believe in!
(04-04-2009 02:32 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: I've personally never seen or heard of required community service in public schools.
That's not quite true, as I've posted explicitly citing the State of Maryland's public school requirement.
http://www.marylandpublicschools.org/MSD...ements.htm
A few years ago, some small block of time toward that requirement was deemed approved if students attended a Statehouse rally for increase pay for teachers.
http://xml.courant.com/news/education/ba...3959.story
Nah, no conflict of interest there.
Does this remind anyone of Tito's Hungary?
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