I know exactly what you said, I was pointing out to you that RobertN, in the same way you just regurgitate the lefty wingnuts talking points, so does he. It is very straightforward.

(03-29-2009 03:28 PM)RobertN Wrote:  What I am saying is Palin using her "family values" talking points to woo the republicans yet it turns out there few if any family values to be found in the family.

I am sure Biden is for "family values" but doesn't spew it for political reasons and then have a completely disfunctional family.

My father rarely touched alcohol, yet when I was a teenager I drank anything I could get. Teenagers experiment and rebel. Pailn's daughter getting pregnant is a sad sign of the times and could be chalked up to the inexperience of youth. Biden's daughter is 27 and can't claim that as an excuse. BTW, coke possession and use is a crime and does anyone know if she snorted and then drove home? If she did that's another crime.

I personally feel that the scumbag exploiting her is the is one doing more wrong than all else involved. Biden should make an offer for the tapes and then claim he was blackmailed. A few years getting to know Bubba and Rocko real well will give him a new perspective on life.

(03-29-2009 04:29 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  I know exactly what you said, I was pointing out to you that RobertN, in the same way you just regurgitate the lefty wingnuts talking points, so does he. It is very straightforward.

How was what I said regurgitating what left-winged people said. I feel my stuff was pretty balanced because I defended Palin while Robert essentially said that her family values were just for show, just because her daughter got pregnant. Is defending someone who is a member of the republican party left-winged now? If so when did you make that change.

(03-29-2009 04:00 PM)Tripster Wrote:  

(03-29-2009 03:09 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I don't think that it is important what their children do. What their kids do, to me, doesn't have any reflection on how they were raised. I think it was mentioned earlier that the Bush girls used fake IDs to buy alcohol. I know the Bush's didn't stand for that type of thing but it happens. Palin's daughter got pregnant out of wedlock in a highly religious household when I figure that the Palins didn't like her actions to get pregnant at all.

No matter what your philosophies in your household, your kids will do something that you didn't raise them to do. You'll probably never find out about it, and it probably won't be as bad as this, but it will happen.

EXACTLY !!!!

Children have this funny way of "Growing Up to become Adult Individuals" and this happens fairly early on just after Puberty (right Robert ??)

There is only so much Parents can do to thwart their kids hidden behaviors when the kid wants to do something. I have a Son and 3 Daughters and they were all pretty smart when it came to trying to fool me and my wife - - they didn't get away with it from me, my job was to see thru the lies people told and I was able to nail them on every screw up.

BUT, I know from my own childhood with a mean ass father who tolerated nothing and abided no foolishness with an Iron Fist, that I did what I wanted to do when I wanted to do it. If I got caught, I took what I knew was coming and blamed me for treading in waters I knew better than to swim in.

Sure this woman is grown and out there doing what ever adults do behind closed doors - -

What I am saying is if it was good enough for every Pres and Vice Pres's kid for the last Century, then it is good enough for the Biden Spawn to face the music as well .....

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I understand your last comment and at this point I agree that she does have to deal with this just as any other. I just wonder why it mattered the first time that one of their kids did something. I wonder who's kid set the precedent.

(03-29-2009 04:58 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I understand your last comment and at this point I agree that she does have to deal with this just as any other. I just wonder why it mattered the first time that one of their kids did something. I wonder who's kid set the precedent.

Oh man I heard the name "Trisha & Julie Nixon" until I wanted to puke and these were pretty benign Lady's and then there was freggin Amy Carter ..... lord what a brat. And boy do we move on the the Reagan Kids .... Whoooo and on and on ....

But it seems it has become popular media fodder to fill up space and time with this stuff, so if we are too adhere to the "Fairness Doctrine" type of impartial transparency, then Biden's Daughter must eat cake along with all the rest.

Don't TRUST anyone .... Especially if you are the Vice Pres's Kid and are snorting Coca while they are "FILMING YOU".

This is a Swoosh over the head DUH DUH any 1st grader would know.

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(03-29-2009 04:58 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I wonder who's kid set the precedent.

JFK's

I see. Family values are important only when talking about a democrat and it is just the process of growing up when you are a republican. That certainly was the republican spin on things and it appears it still is. All I hear about is how bad black family values are because they have so many pregnancies out of wedlock and that the fathers aren't around to support the child. Seems like you and the republicans have double standards.

(03-29-2009 05:40 PM)RobertN Wrote:  I see. Family values are important only when talking about a democrat and it is just the process of growing up when you are a republican. That certainly was the republican spin on things and it appears it still is. All I hear about is how bad black family values are because they have so many pregnancies out of wedlock and that the fathers aren't around to support the child. Seems like you and the republicans have double standards.

Rob, there are some less than wholesome republicans out there whose family values need to be reassessed. No group is perfect - there are some Catholics out there who go against their religion and commit murder just as some Muslims go against their religion and don't want to kill people.

What's worse, a party that wants family values even though some of them fail, or a party that has no family values at all?

(03-29-2009 05:40 PM)RobertN Wrote:  I see. Family values are important only when talking about a democrat and it is just the process of growing up when you are a republican. That certainly was the republican spin on things and it appears it still is. All I hear about is how bad black family values are because they have so many pregnancies out of wedlock and that the fathers aren't around to support the child. Seems like you and the republicans have double standards.

Did not you READ my freggin POST REPLY Robert ????

Ronald Reagan's kids were some of the worst White House Brats to ever take a breath of air.

Don't even much try to go there when my Reply is just above yours and talks about Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan's kids and lops the Bush 1 & 2 houses and Clinton in there with the "on and on" statement.

READ Son, READ !!!!!!!

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(03-29-2009 05:48 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(03-29-2009 05:40 PM)RobertN Wrote:  I see. Family values are important only when talking about a democrat and it is just the process of growing up when you are a republican. That certainly was the republican spin on things and it appears it still is. All I hear about is how bad black family values are because they have so many pregnancies out of wedlock and that the fathers aren't around to support the child. Seems like you and the republicans have double standards.

Rob, there are some less than wholesome republicans out there whose family values need to be reassessed. No group is perfect - there are some Catholics out there who go against their religion and commit murder just as some Muslims go against their religion and don't want to kill people.

What's worse, a party that wants family values even though some of them fail, or a party that has no family values at all?

Don't both parties have good family values as a whole? I don't like to paint with a broad brush when talking about subjects like these. No matter what the political party is, parents want what's best for their families.

(03-29-2009 06:02 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(03-29-2009 05:48 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(03-29-2009 05:40 PM)RobertN Wrote:  I see. Family values are important only when talking about a democrat and it is just the process of growing up when you are a republican. That certainly was the republican spin on things and it appears it still is. All I hear about is how bad black family values are because they have so many pregnancies out of wedlock and that the fathers aren't around to support the child. Seems like you and the republicans have double standards.

Rob, there are some less than wholesome republicans out there whose family values need to be reassessed. No group is perfect - there are some Catholics out there who go against their religion and commit murder just as some Muslims go against their religion and don't want to kill people.

What's worse, a party that wants family values even though some of them fail, or a party that has no family values at all?

Don't both parties have good family values as a whole? I don't like to paint with a broad brush when talking about subjects like these. No matter what the political party is, parents want what's best for their families.

I would tend to agree, but would you agree that wanting what's best for their families is a bit different in intensity from one party to the other? Anyone want to guess what party Octomom belongs to?

(03-29-2009 04:51 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(03-29-2009 04:29 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  I know exactly what you said, I was pointing out to you that RobertN, in the same way you just regurgitate the lefty wingnuts talking points, so does he. It is very straightforward.

How was what I said regurgitating what left-winged people said. I feel my stuff was pretty balanced because I defended Palin while Robert essentially said that her family values were just for show, just because her daughter got pregnant. Is defending someone who is a member of the republican party left-winged now? If so when did you make that change.

Let me spell it out for you..... in the same way you just regurgitate the lefty wingnuts talking points in other threads . Are we clear? ARE WE CLEAR?

I am clear. But you sir are inaccurate.

James Dobson who is well known as a very conservative religious psychologist basically tells parents, if your kids get out of their teens without being pregnant, using drugs, or getting arrested, you've been very fortunate. Kids in today's society are subjected to so many temptations that all of these things are being foisted upon them and the peer pressure to have sex, use drugs or commit petty crimes is huge. Only one argument that I ever made stuck with my kids. I told them that they could be the biggest screw-ups in the world and they would get by. But to be a criminal they had to be perfect. When they heard that, the idea of crime went out the door.

crickets in the MSM.

but then, Palin smoked Biden in the debate, Biden told more lies than could be counted on one hand and they didn't care about talking about those or his many other gaffes so no suprise here.

I wonder if she learned this skill from "Uncle Barry."

You guys don't get it yet?

Democrat's kids-------Off Limits

Republican's kids------Fair Game

See how that works? Buncha f'n hypocrites you're dealing with here.

This clearly shows that the Democrats own the SMEAR MACHINE. This maybe one reason Repubs lost in 08. They refused to engage in the Rev. Wright, Phalger, Resco, and on and on.

(04-02-2009 10:26 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  This clearly shows that the Democrats own the SMEAR MACHINE. This maybe one reason Repubs lost in 08. They refused to engage in the Rev. Wright, Phalger, Resco, and on and on.

They could have talked about that until they were blue in the face.(and gotten a bigger beatdown ) The fact is no one cares.

(04-02-2009 10:43 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  They could have talked about that until they were blue in the face.(and gotten a bigger beatdown ) The fact is no one in the media cares.

Fixed it for ya....