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http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/03/23/most-l...ing-shift/

By Colin Clark Monday, March 23rd, 2009 12:05 pm
Posted in Air, Cyber Security, International, Land, Naval, Policy
In what will become known as the beginning of a major shift in military acquisition and strategy, Marine Gen. James Cartwright, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said today that the Obama administration can’t afford to wait for the 2012 budget to stamp its imprint on the Pentagon and so will make major changes to the 2010 budget. The money will go to systems that address the “most likely” threats, not to those aimed at the “most dangerous” threats, Cartwright told a missile defense conference in Washington.

The country, he said, must fund systems that allow us to “stay ahead of the threat.” No longer can the country afford great weapons that take decades and billions to develop and build.

As examples, Cartwright said the threat cycle for cyber attacks is 14 days and for Improvised Explosive Devices it is roughly 30 days. So our systems and architectures must adapt and get inside these cycles, he said. On a more strategic level, Cartwright said the US must fundamentally change its approach to costs. Weapons systems must impose greater costs on our potential and current enemies than they do on the US. “We have to impose costs on them, not on us,” he said.

In a typical tour de force, Cartwright told an audience of about 1,000 at the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics annual missile defense conference that weapons that take decades to build and can address a limited array of threats will fall by the wayside. The nation, he said, cannot afford this approach any more.

“Would you buy in tough economic times something that does one thing well or something that does 100 things well, and can do things you haven’t even thought about yet,” he asked rhetorically.

“My money is going to go on sensors and command control,” he told the audience. Architectures — and the systems they serve — must be changeable, ready to adapt to unforeseen threats with ease.

“We have got to be able to string these things together. Get over the traditional barriers about what domains they fly in, or what INT they are in. The guy who gets a bullet between his eyes couldn’t care less,” Cartwright said.

Combine all this with the need to have a global presence and “the emphasis is going to shift to deployed forces, allies and friends,” the general said.

Although she did not hear his speech, Rep. Ellen Tauscher (D-Calif.), chairman of the House Armed Services strategic forces subcommittee, echoed many of Cartwright’s themes, in particular the focus on cost. “We need to make some tough defense budget decisions,” she said, noting that the “days are over” when the country could “refuse to make hard choices.”

The one system she highlighted as a major problem likely to be cut: Airborne Laser, built by Boeing. One likely winner, she identified: the Aegis anti-missile system. “We must seriously consider adding additional Aegis ships and destroyers,” she said, noting the system is operational and proven in testing.

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For the record, this is not a new paradigm, Rumsfeld was arguing the same thing 10 years ago.

ABL should have been cut long ago, that's $3-4B blown. Not coincidentally, this recently made news:
http://www.rdmag.com/ShowPR.aspx?PUBCODE...monCount=0

Aegis still took many years and many dollars to get where it is. Hardly a model of that they're championing.

The comments about IED threats are noble, but I've yet to see a real plan to achieve those goals. I'm certainly not qualified to discuss the cyber threat...got to admit that inimidates me.
03-26-2009 03:18 PM
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an EMT attack is one of the worst things that could happen to us, where we didn't die right away(nuke).

hopefully it wouldn't trigger aliens coming out of the ground that were burried thousands of years ago.
03-26-2009 03:21 PM
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(03-26-2009 03:21 PM)GGniner Wrote:  an EMT attack is one of the worst things that could happen to us, where we didn't die right away(nuke).

Yeah, gotta watch out for those EMT's. That Heimlich is nothing to mess around with. 03-lmfao

Did you mean EMP?
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yep, good catch
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(03-26-2009 03:36 PM)GGniner Wrote:  yep, good catch

I heard something today about what would happen if a nuke was exploded in space above the United States. It would cause an EMP blast that would knock out our power grid, knock planes out of the sky, etc. The guy said 90% would be dead within a year. I don't buy it. An EMP blast isn't something that happens and lasts for a year or so. It happens and it's over. It'll knock out communications, etc., but if they're not damaged beyond repair, they can be back online in a short amount of time.
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(03-26-2009 03:32 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(03-26-2009 03:21 PM)GGniner Wrote:  an EMT attack is one of the worst things that could happen to us, where we didn't die right away(nuke).

Yeah, gotta watch out for those EMT's. That Heimlich is nothing to mess around with. 03-lmfao

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(03-26-2009 03:48 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(03-26-2009 03:36 PM)GGniner Wrote:  yep, good catch

I heard something today about what would happen if a nuke was exploded in space above the United States. It would cause an EMP blast that would knock out our power grid, knock planes out of the sky, etc. The guy said 90% would be dead within a year. I don't buy it. An EMP blast isn't something that happens and lasts for a year or so. It happens and it's over. It'll knock out communications, etc., but if they're not damaged beyond repair, they can be back online in a short amount of time.


he probably meant that it would cause such chaos and upheavel, most of us would die within a year. We are talking all out martial law and collapse.

money in our bank accounts: gone
All Modern Cars: ruined

anything based on Electrical Circuits, similar to what they show happening in "War of the Worlds"(bad movie btw). I think it would all be damaged beyond repair, have to start from scratch in area hit in other words.

To do it on a big scale they need to do it with a nuke up in the atmosphere. The Jihadist would do it in a heart beat if they could
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If they are going to cut some budgets and do "reforms" they need to start with Naval shipbuilding, because outside of General Dynamics Electric Boat, everything coming out of the yards is over budget, 2 years delayed and crap.

LPD-17 (Northrup Grumman) engineering and electrical problems, 2 year delays, flunks INSURV's.

LHD-8 (Northrup Grumman) change the LHD design from steam to gas turbines.. and oops it doesnt work. Delayed a year and $100 million.

DDG-1000 (General Dynamics Bath Iron Works) 1 "Super Destroyer" for $6 BILLION (more than a Nimitz class Carrier). This should be cut.

CVN-77 (Northrup Grumman Newport News) GHW Bush 'commissioned'... but it isnt ready for Builder's Trials.

LCS-1 (Lockheed Martin) supposed to be "cheap" inshore Littoral Combat Ship... anyway 2 years past due $300 million over budget.

NAVSEA isn't what it used to be..
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(03-26-2009 03:18 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  http://www.dodbuzz.com/2009/03/23/most-l...ing-shift/

By Colin Clark Monday, March 23rd, 2009 12:05 pm
Posted in Air, Cyber Security, International, Land, Naval, Policy
In what will become known as the beginning of a major shift in military acquisition and strategy, Marine Gen. James Cartwright, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said today that the Obama administration can’t afford to wait for the 2012 budget to stamp its imprint on the Pentagon and so will make major changes to the 2010 budget. The money will go to systems that address the “most likely” threats, not to those aimed at the “most dangerous” threats, Cartwright told a missile defense conference in Washington.

The country, he said, must fund systems that allow us to “stay ahead of the threat.” No longer can the country afford great weapons that take decades and billions to develop and build.

As examples, Cartwright said the threat cycle for cyber attacks is 14 days and for Improvised Explosive Devices it is roughly 30 days. So our systems and architectures must adapt and get inside these cycles, he said. On a more strategic level, Cartwright said the US must fundamentally change its approach to costs. Weapons systems must impose greater costs on our potential and current enemies than they do on the US. “We have to impose costs on them, not on us,” he said.

In a typical tour de force, Cartwright told an audience of about 1,000 at the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics annual missile defense conference that weapons that take decades to build and can address a limited array of threats will fall by the wayside. The nation, he said, cannot afford this approach any more.

“Would you buy in tough economic times something that does one thing well or something that does 100 things well, and can do things you haven’t even thought about yet,” he asked rhetorically.

“My money is going to go on sensors and command control,” he told the audience. Architectures — and the systems they serve — must be changeable, ready to adapt to unforeseen threats with ease.

“We have got to be able to string these things together. Get over the traditional barriers about what domains they fly in, or what INT they are in. The guy who gets a bullet between his eyes couldn’t care less,” Cartwright said.

Combine all this with the need to have a global presence and “the emphasis is going to shift to deployed forces, allies and friends,” the general said.

Although she did not hear his speech, Rep. Ellen Tauscher (D-Calif.), chairman of the House Armed Services strategic forces subcommittee, echoed many of Cartwright’s themes, in particular the focus on cost. “We need to make some tough defense budget decisions,” she said, noting that the “days are over” when the country could “refuse to make hard choices.”

The one system she highlighted as a major problem likely to be cut: Airborne Laser, built by Boeing. One likely winner, she identified: the Aegis anti-missile system. “We must seriously consider adding additional Aegis ships and destroyers,” she said, noting the system is operational and proven in testing.

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For the record, this is not a new paradigm, Rumsfeld was arguing the same thing 10 years ago.

ABL should have been cut long ago, that's $3-4B blown. Not coincidentally, this recently made news:
http://www.rdmag.com/ShowPR.aspx?PUBCODE...monCount=0

Aegis still took many years and many dollars to get where it is. Hardly a model of that they're championing.

The comments about IED threats are noble, but I've yet to see a real plan to achieve those goals. I'm certainly not qualified to discuss the cyber threat...got to admit that inimidates me.

I got a worthless dollar that says that military spending will NOT decrease and neither will spending on the welfare state or entitlements. Neither gang is ready to address the REAL problems of spending. WHY?? They have the threat of violence on their side to fund their pet programs and the public has NO recourse to stop them. Tax revolt is impossible since we were so stupid to allow withholding. This is just more blustering and empty promises from power hungry scumbag politicians...03-puke
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