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I think Officer Powell, did what he has been trained to do, football star or not.
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(03-26-2009 02:52 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  I think Officer Powell, did what he has been trained to do, football star or not.

Football star or not, I question Powell's training.

Laws are written for people, not people to serve laws. So the guy ran a red light, after taking more than reasonable precautions.

An officer hidden from the scene sees this and, instead of investigating the situation, harasses and intimidates this guy and his family, ignoring their circumstances.

I'm not seeing "To serve and protect" here.
03-26-2009 03:13 PM
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I remember once upon a time cops used to give a police escort upon hearing stories like this. Protocol or just a courtesy I don't know, but times have surely changed for the worse.
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(03-26-2009 02:52 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  I think Officer Powell, did what he has been trained to do, football star or not.

He is there to serve and protect, or protect and serve. He did neither of those in this case. I will stop short of calling him a racist, but he very well could be.

He would be better suited as a late night security gaurd in an empty warehouse.
03-26-2009 03:31 PM
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In a Houston suburb a couple of years ago the cops pulled over a car for speeding, pulled out the driver, cuffed him and popped him with a flashlight when he "didn't cooperate."

Turns out he was a Doctor hauling ass to the Texas Medical Center answering an Emergency Call.

Southside Place cop didn't care.
03-26-2009 04:29 PM
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(03-26-2009 04:29 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  In a Houston suburb a couple of years ago the cops pulled over a car for speeding, pulled out the driver, cuffed him and popped him with a flashlight when he "didn't cooperate."

In Oakland the grabbed a perp, cuffed him, and popped him with a 9MM.
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If the Dallas PD wanted to exhibit.."Common sense,discretion and compassion" as their "thief" wishes them to do...They would stop ringing the damn cash register and actually go out and arrest people that are harming others.05-stirthepot
03-26-2009 08:08 PM
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(03-26-2009 03:31 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  
(03-26-2009 02:52 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  I think Officer Powell, did what he has been trained to do, football star or not.

He is there to serve and protect, or protect and serve. He did neither of those in this case. I will stop short of calling him a racist, but he very well could be.

He would be better suited as a late night security gaurd in an empty warehouse.

OH..He was protecting and serving!!!!...the State.
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(03-26-2009 02:52 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  I think Officer Powell, did what he has been trained to do, football star or not.

Yep...To be a cash register operator.03-lmfao
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There are several ways to look at this. It's easy to feel sympathy for Moats because he's truly one of the victims in this case. But at the same time you have to look at it from the cops point of view - a guys runs a red light a week after 4 cops were killed in Oakland by a single gunman who was stopped for a traffic violation. You can bet that some time during this week every cop in the country was told by their chiefs to be carefull on traffic stops and gave them this example. Now you have a young cop who's probably a bit scared and he stops a guy for running a red light. He's told a story by Moats but the cop has already probably heard every story in the book and decides to check things out a little further. Everyone in this story was victimized by the times we live in.

Quote:"Attitude’s everything,” he said. “All you had to do is stop, tell me what was going on. More than likely, I would have let you go.”

Quite possibly very true. Until we see the tape we won't know.

Anyone notice this tidbit:

Quote:His wife, Tamishia Moats, said Powell "was pointing a gun at me as soon as I got out of the car. It was the weirdest feeling because I’ve never had a gun pointed at me before under those circumstances.”

I can think of many circumstances where a gun might be pointed at someone and none of them are good. I wonder where she's been?
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(03-26-2009 08:17 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Anyone notice this tidbit:

Quote:His wife, Tamishia Moats, said Powell "was pointing a gun at me as soon as I got out of the car. It was the weirdest feeling because I’ve never had a gun pointed at me before under those circumstances.”

I can think of many circumstances where a gun might be pointed at someone and none of them are good. I wonder where she's been?

Yeah, I wondered about that too. Does it really mean something, or is that just the way the words happened to come out?
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(03-26-2009 08:21 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(03-26-2009 08:17 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Anyone notice this tidbit:

Quote:His wife, Tamishia Moats, said Powell "was pointing a gun at me as soon as I got out of the car. It was the weirdest feeling because I’ve never had a gun pointed at me before under those circumstances.”

I can think of many circumstances where a gun might be pointed at someone and none of them are good. I wonder where she's been?

Yeah, I wondered about that too. Does it really mean something, or is that just the way the words happened to come out?

I worked for 20 years with a black guy that I considered to be one of the finest people I have ever been associated with. One day while discussing the police..he asked me if I had ever had a gun pointed at me? I said no.. and he told me that 4 times during simple traffic stops he had a cop draw his weapon on him for no reason. It IS a reality the the cops treat blacks differently. I understand that they are scared...but...it is wrong to draw a weapon on someone that is not posing a threat.
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(03-26-2009 08:30 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I worked for 20 years with a black guy that I considered to be one of the finest people I have ever been associated with. One day while discussing the police..he asked me if I had ever had a gun pointed at me? I said no.. and he told me that 4 times during simple traffic stops he had a cop draw his weapon on him for no reason. It IS a reality the the cops treat blacks differently. I understand that they are scared...but...it is wrong to draw a weapon on someone that is not posing a threat.

Yes, I'd definitely agree.
One reason that I actually am okay with speed and stoplight cameras is that if there's a way to enforce those laws without having cops stopping people on the side of the road, I'm for it.
It would also let the cops focus on being crimefighters instead of cash registers.
I've been in several countries that use the system extensively, and it seems to work pretty well actually.
I realize this may be an unusual position for a libertarian to take, but I'm a pragmatic libertarian.
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Fo, I could have sworn you were selling the fact that you were black a while back.
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(03-26-2009 08:34 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(03-26-2009 08:30 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I worked for 20 years with a black guy that I considered to be one of the finest people I have ever been associated with. One day while discussing the police..he asked me if I had ever had a gun pointed at me? I said no.. and he told me that 4 times during simple traffic stops he had a cop draw his weapon on him for no reason. It IS a reality the the cops treat blacks differently. I understand that they are scared...but...it is wrong to draw a weapon on someone that is not posing a threat.

Yes, I'd definitely agree.
One reason that I actually am okay with speed and stoplight cameras is that if there's a way to enforce those laws without having cops stopping people on the side of the road, I'm for it.
It would also let the cops focus on being crimefighters instead of cash registers.
I've been in several countries that use the system extensively, and it seems to work pretty well actually.
I realize this may be an unusual position for a libertarian to take, but I'm a pragmatic libertarian.
I get your point.
The problem I have with these cameras....Do not I have the right to face my accuser in open court? ...and...They still ring the cash register for victimless crimes.

I'd rather see the free market have a shot at making the roads safer. Those in search of profit are always more innovative and do not use "force" to achieve their goals. I believe that drivers could be voluntarily incentivized to drive safely. Insurance companies could play a huge part in this type of system. We already see some of this innovation in the insurance industry with rewarding "safe drivers" with rebates. What else could be accomplished? The free market is boundless in its abilities if given the chance to do it's job.04-cheers
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(03-26-2009 08:30 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  It IS a reality the the cops treat blacks differently.

Did you ever ponder as to why? I doubt every cop is a racist.
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(03-26-2009 09:01 PM)Rebel Wrote:  Fo, I could have sworn you were selling the fact that you were black a while back.
Nope...I don't even tan well.
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(03-26-2009 09:10 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(03-26-2009 08:30 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  It IS a reality the the cops treat blacks differently.

Did you ever ponder as to why? I doubt every cop is a racist.

I didn't say they were racists...I said I understood they were scared. It is a reality that blacks commit the most crime. Unfortunately..most of it is the consequence of prohibition and the drug war.
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(03-26-2009 09:18 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(03-26-2009 09:10 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(03-26-2009 08:30 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  It IS a reality the the cops treat blacks differently.

Did you ever ponder as to why? I doubt every cop is a racist.

I didn't say they were racists...I said I understood they were scared. It is a reality that blacks commit the most crime. Unfortunately..most of it is the consequence of prohibition and the drug war.

I know you never said cops were racists. I put that there to counter the argument that some in forum might pursue.
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