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05-mafia Since the ATF doesn't investigate "churches" any more, maybe its time for the New York State Child Protective Services to do an investigation, since you know fundamentalist Muslims do sometimes take child brides.

HANCOCK, N.Y. — If you didn't know where to look, you'd probably never find Islamberg, a private Muslim community in the woods of the western Catskills, 150 miles northwest of New York City.

The town, sitting on a quiet dirt road past a gate marked with No Trespassing signs, is home to an estimated 100 residents. There are small houses and other buildings visible from the outside, but it is what can't be seen from beyond the gate that has some watchers worried.

Islamberg was founded in 1980 by Sheikh Syed Mubarik Ali Shah Gilani, a Pakistani cleric who purchased a 70-acre plot and invited followers, mostly Muslim converts living in New York City, to settle there.

The town has its own mosque, grocery store and schoolhouse. It also reportedly has a firing range where residents take regular target practice. Gilani established similar rural enclaves across the country — at least six, including the Red House community in southern Virginia — though some believe there are dozens of them, all operating under the umbrella of the "Muslims of the Americas" group founded by Gilani.

Federal authorities say Gilani was also one of the founders of Jamaat al-Fuqra, a terrorist organization believed responsible for dozens of bombings and murders across the U.S. and abroad. The group was linked to the planning of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, and 10 years earlier a member was arrested and later convicted for bombing a hotel in Portland, Ore.

Shoe bomber Richard Reid has been linked to the group, along with convicted D.C. sniper John Allen Muhammad. But it is Sheikh Gilani who creates the most controversy and concern.

Gilani has told his followers that "Zionist plotters" plan to rule the world, and he encourates them to leave America's cities and avoid the "decadence of a godless society." Gilani is the man American reporter Daniel Pearl was trying to interview in Pakistan when he was kidnapped and beheaded. The Sheikh was taken into custody and later released by Pakistani authorities; he denies any involvement in Pearl's murder.

Gilani also denies any connection to Jamaat al-Fuqra, as do residents of the MOA compounds, who say the "terrorist" group doesn't exist and was created by enemies of Islam hoping to destroy their communities. Members also deny sending a portion of their earnings to the Sheikh, but a former resident told FOX News that 10 to 30 percent of their income is regularly delivered to Gilani in the form of cash donations.

Some residents, collecting their mail outside the compound or stopping for a short spell at its edge, spoke briefly of life on the inside. One woman told FOX News she was happy to be "away from the city and away from the drugs and crap that's going on," raising her family safely in Islamberg.

Another resident drove out, dressed in a cap and robe, video camera in hand, and moved so close to a female producer that he actually made contact. The resident kept his camera rolling for the next 15 minutes without saying a word, but he finally began to answer questions.

The man said residents get along with their neighbors and don't trust the media, which he said paints their town as a guarded compound "where no one can enter and exit."

"It's a village," he insisted, "with people of all backgrounds, cultures and races."

The man denied the existence of Jamat al-Fuqra, and at first denied giving a share of his earnings to Sheik Gilani, but he later admitted that "all churches have tithes."

During the interview, two state police cars roared up, as one of the residents had called the cops, a common occurrence when reporters show up at the gate.

Local police told FOX News there has been plenty of rumor and innuendo over the years but very little trouble. The FBI's Albany Division said the agency has an open discourse with the residents of Islamberg. They've visited the compound but won't discuss whether there are any ongoing investigations.

That has not dispelled the worries of some watchdogs. Robert Spencer, director of Jihad Watch, says the group is making a concerted public relations effort to present a benign face and hide its violent past.

"I think we need to be very much on guard about every member of these compounds," he said. Though Spencer admits there is nothing inherently wrong with living in isolation, he stressed that "they're not at all open to visitors, they're not at all open to scrutiny and there's an abundance of evidence of sinister goings-on."

Spencer offered no evidence to back his misgivings, but suggested political correctness may be hampering investigations. He says the group's connection to Sheikh Gilani is reason enough to be concerned that they're planning for "something on a larger scale and longer term," to "further the causes of the global Islamic Jihad", something MOA has repeatedly denied and scoffed at in the past.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,510218,00.html
03-24-2009 09:40 AM
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They sound like a collection of reg-u-lar backwater hillbillies..... shootin guns, cars on blocks, leaky houses..... probably give their babies bottles full of Mt. Dew and shop at Wal-Mart.
03-24-2009 10:14 AM
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Sounds like a perfect retirement community for Robert.
03-24-2009 10:17 AM
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Today it's one city. How big will they be tomorrow?
03-24-2009 10:30 AM
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Usually republicans are happy to hear about pride in the right to bear arms.
03-24-2009 11:03 AM
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(03-24-2009 10:30 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  Today it's one city. How big will they be tomorrow?

I beg to differ:

Quote:Additional hamaats have been established in Hyattsville, Maryland; Red House, Virginia; Falls Church, Virginia; Macon, Georgia; York, South Carolina; Dover, Tennessee; Buena Vista, Colorado; Talihina, Oklahoma; Tulare Country, California; Commerce, California; and Onalaska, Washington. Others are being built, including an expansive facility in Sherman, Pennsylvania.

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(03-24-2009 11:03 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Usually republicans are happy to hear about pride in the right to bear arms.

You're comparing the Republicans to a buncha radical Muzzies who want to see a global caliphate?
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if the Dems hold power long enough, they will destroy our courts so much with their nominees it will be just like the Labor party in Britain.

We'll end up with a parallel legal system for muslims. Things like Pedophilia will be legal under it.

they already have this in England
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Let's not forget that this is Faux News. The #1 station for agitation.
03-24-2009 11:13 AM
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(03-24-2009 11:13 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Let's not forget that this is Faux News. The #1 station for agitation.

Um, it's all over the internet. You don't think Fox News broke this story, do you?

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0ge...fp-t-501-s
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(03-24-2009 11:16 AM)Rebel Wrote:  
(03-24-2009 11:13 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Let's not forget that this is Faux News. The #1 station for agitation.

Um, it's all over the internet. You don't think Fox News broke this story, do you?

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0ge...fp-t-501-s

It doesn't matter. If it appears on Fox, then it is completely fabricated. Why can't you understand that? 03-wink
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I guess I'm a bit old fashioned on the Second Amendment. If they're US domiciliaries, they do have the right to have guns and ammo. Those living near them just need to be sure that they have their own guns and ammo in case these guys decide to go off the reservation. Reminds me of that M. Night Shamylian book "The Village". Don't go off the reservation because their are demon possessed infidels in those woods.
03-24-2009 02:33 PM
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If they were white they'd have already been taken out.

Sorry, needed to be said.
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Sheikh Ali Shah Gilani is a VERY BAD DUDE. Documented connections to AQ fundraising through various 'Islamic Charities" and such.

Keep them under watch and then bust them on "material support to terrorist organizations" like they did the Holy Land Foundation.
03-24-2009 02:55 PM
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(03-24-2009 02:39 PM)Rebel Wrote:  If they were white they'd have already been taken out.

Sorry, needed to be said.

EXACTLY !!!!!!

We are going to PC our selves straight into hell.

We are a foolish bunch of people to think we can believe "All Men Have Good In Them" .... THEY DON'T .... and this makes it a Bunch of Dangerous Liberal Crap forced onto the rest of us.

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(03-24-2009 02:39 PM)Rebel Wrote:  If they were white they'd have already been taken out.

Sorry, needed to be said.

yep


If they were white Muslims would they be though?
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What do you say about the Muslim people in our armed forces with guns. I'd like to hear the instances of them going off and shooting the platoon.
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(03-24-2009 04:20 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  What do you say about the Muslim people in our armed forces with guns. I'd like to hear the instances of them going off and shooting the platoon.

Bingo!

Monday March 24, 2003

An American soldier has died in a grenade attack carried out by another US serviceman at a military camp in Kuwait. Fifteen troops were also injured when the soldier, named as Sergeant Asan Akbar, lobbed three grenades into tents housing commanding officers from the 101st Airborne Division at Camp Pennsylvania.

Sky correspondent Stuart Ramsay, who is in the camp, said the first grenade was rolled into a tent where commanding officer Colonel BenHodges was based, but did not go off.

But two other grenades thrown into tents where the unit's majors and captains sleep did explode, injuring Col Hodges as he ran out of the first tent.

Ramsay watched as the Akbar, an engineer from the 327th infantry assigned to the 101st Airborne Division, was held.

"It appears he was hiding in a bunker near where the attacks happened," Ramsay said.

"As the man who carried out the attack moved away there was some shooting. He was shot in the leg. He was held on the ground less than 100 yards from where the attack happened."

Ramsay said the soldier had been guarding a grenades depot at the time.

He said fears about Akbar's behaviour had been raised by colleagues.

"In recent days they were concerned about his behaviour and were not going to send him up to the front when the soldiers were going to be deployed.

It is not clear whether the soldier, who Ramsay said would have been in the Gulf for some weeks, had planned the attack before being deployed.

"To be honest we just do not know," Ramsay said.

"Talking to other soldiers, it could be that he was disgruntled. They said he had been acting 'weird' for days."

Eleven soldiers who were seriously hurt were flown out of the camp by helicopter.

It was initially thought two Kuwaiti nationals were involved but it quickly became clear it was just one American soldier.

Ramsay said a criminal investigation is now being carried out.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Sky-New...0641084723

GI Sentenced to Death for Fatal Attack
By Richard A. Serrano
April 29, 2005


A military jury sentenced Army Sgt. Hasan Akbar to death Thursday night, unmoved by a brief apology he made from the witness stand asking forgiveness for killing two American officers and wounding 14 other soldiers in a nighttime grenade and rifle attack as the U.S. was on the verge of war with Iraq.

http://articles.latimes.com/2005/apr/29/...na-akbar29
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thats why you won't see a CinC not claiming Islam is a peacful religion and that it worships the same God as Judaism and Christianity(i.e. the PC lie), we have them in our Military and we need as many out there as possible to remain Moderates(i.e. not true beleivers.)
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