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Greenspan: Banks In Deep Hole, Need $750 Billion

Friday, March 20, 2009 3:59 PM


Former U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said on Friday that U.S bank lending will not return to normal without a big injection of public or private capital.


"The restoration of normal bank lending by U.S. banks will require a very large capital infusion from private or public sources," Greenspan said in a conference at the Mexican resort of Acapulco.


Bloomberg reports that Greenspan estimated that banks will need “north of $750 billion” in fresh capital. While some of that may be raised by increased bank cash flows, he said a “deep hole” remains.

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(03-20-2009 06:07 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Greenspan: Banks In Deep Hole, Need $750 Billion

Friday, March 20, 2009 3:59 PM


Former U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said on Friday that U.S bank lending will not return to normal without a big injection of public or private capital.


"The restoration of normal bank lending by U.S. banks will require a very large capital infusion from private or public sources," Greenspan said in a conference at the Mexican resort of Acapulco.


Bloomberg reports that Greenspan estimated that banks will need “north of $750 billion” in fresh capital. While some of that may be raised by increased bank cash flows, he said a “deep hole” remains.

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Screw Greenspan....He was to blame for this mess and he admits it. He artificially continued to lower interest rates just like Bernake to stimulate the economy. This lead to the housing bubble and it's burst. Most of these people that have been foreclosed on due to this foolishness could not afford a house at zero percentage rate.

The marketplace should be setting the interest rates...not the Fed.
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(03-20-2009 09:14 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Screw Greenspan....He was to blame for this mess and he admits it. He artificially continued to lower interest rates just like Bernake to stimulate the economy. This lead to the housing bubble and it's burst. Most of these people that have been foreclosed on due to this foolishness could not afford a house at zero percentage rate.

The marketplace should be setting the interest rates...not the Fed.

Fo, if these people couldn't afford a house at zero, then Greenspan didn't make any difference to them. Additionally, as rates are now lower, not higher than they were, then it isn't rates that are causing the problem. He lowered rates in response to artificially rising home prices... and the "markets" could rise faster and more than he could lower them. IOW, while I don't like what he did any more than anyone else... he was trying to correct an equally manipulated and artificial rise in home prices caused by CRA and other manipulations.
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(03-20-2009 09:14 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Screw Greenspan....He was to blame for this mess and he admits it. He artificially continued to lower interest rates just like Bernake to stimulate the economy. This lead to the housing bubble and it's burst. Most of these people that have been foreclosed on due to this foolishness could not afford a house at zero percentage rate.

The marketplace should be setting the interest rates...not the Fed.
Agreed. But it really is his whole economic policies that screwed up the country.
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(03-20-2009 10:59 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(03-20-2009 09:14 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Screw Greenspan....He was to blame for this mess and he admits it. He artificially continued to lower interest rates just like Bernake to stimulate the economy. This lead to the housing bubble and it's burst. Most of these people that have been foreclosed on due to this foolishness could not afford a house at zero percentage rate.

The marketplace should be setting the interest rates...not the Fed.

Fo, if these people couldn't afford a house at zero, then Greenspan didn't make any difference to them. Additionally, as rates are now lower, not higher than they were, then it isn't rates that are causing the problem. He lowered rates in response to artificially rising home prices... and the "markets" could rise faster and more than he could lower them. IOW, while I don't like what he did any more than anyone else... he was trying to correct an equally manipulated and artificial rise in home prices caused by CRA and other manipulations.

I have no use for this double talking douche. I'm sorry...I'll never support any governmental intervention into the marketplace. It is not needed. Booms and busts occur...its the natural business cycle. Fooling around with the economy in this manner only make the busts that much harder to recover from when they occur.
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I wonder if the Notorious AIG is any relation to the Notorious BIG?? It does seem like we are spending money like a Dope Dealer.

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(03-21-2009 07:56 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(03-20-2009 10:59 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(03-20-2009 09:14 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Screw Greenspan....He was to blame for this mess and he admits it. He artificially continued to lower interest rates just like Bernake to stimulate the economy. This lead to the housing bubble and it's burst. Most of these people that have been foreclosed on due to this foolishness could not afford a house at zero percentage rate.

The marketplace should be setting the interest rates...not the Fed.

Fo, if these people couldn't afford a house at zero, then Greenspan didn't make any difference to them. Additionally, as rates are now lower, not higher than they were, then it isn't rates that are causing the problem. He lowered rates in response to artificially rising home prices... and the "markets" could rise faster and more than he could lower them. IOW, while I don't like what he did any more than anyone else... he was trying to correct an equally manipulated and artificial rise in home prices caused by CRA and other manipulations.

I have no use for this double talking douche. I'm sorry...I'll never support any governmental intervention into the marketplace. It is not needed. Booms and busts occur...its the natural business cycle. Fooling around with the economy in this manner only make the busts that much harder to recover from when they occur.
Are you kidding me? He wanted government OUT of the marketplace. He is the one who thought "people aren't greedy" so we don't need rules.
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Actually people ARE greedy.
And people who work for government are just as greedy as everyone else.
And the more rules we give them, the more their greed tempts them to abuse their power.
That's the real problem.
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(03-21-2009 11:48 AM)RobertN Wrote:  
(03-21-2009 07:56 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(03-20-2009 10:59 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(03-20-2009 09:14 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Screw Greenspan....He was to blame for this mess and he admits it. He artificially continued to lower interest rates just like Bernake to stimulate the economy. This lead to the housing bubble and it's burst. Most of these people that have been foreclosed on due to this foolishness could not afford a house at zero percentage rate.

The marketplace should be setting the interest rates...not the Fed.

Fo, if these people couldn't afford a house at zero, then Greenspan didn't make any difference to them. Additionally, as rates are now lower, not higher than they were, then it isn't rates that are causing the problem. He lowered rates in response to artificially rising home prices... and the "markets" could rise faster and more than he could lower them. IOW, while I don't like what he did any more than anyone else... he was trying to correct an equally manipulated and artificial rise in home prices caused by CRA and other manipulations.

I have no use for this double talking douche. I'm sorry...I'll never support any governmental intervention into the marketplace. It is not needed. Booms and busts occur...its the natural business cycle. Fooling around with the economy in this manner only make the busts that much harder to recover from when they occur.
Are you kidding me? He wanted government OUT of the marketplace. He is the one who thought "people aren't greedy" so we don't need rules.

yeah...He wanted the govt. out of the marketplace...yet he fully supported screwing the money supply. Greenspan..Master of saying a lot and sounding good and yet rarely ever answered ANY question posed to him. He was so good at "econospeak" that even the economists were baffled by this guy.

Mr. Greenspan....Go away spend the rest of your days boring academics.
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(03-21-2009 12:47 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(03-21-2009 11:48 AM)RobertN Wrote:  
(03-21-2009 07:56 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(03-20-2009 10:59 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(03-20-2009 09:14 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Screw Greenspan....He was to blame for this mess and he admits it. He artificially continued to lower interest rates just like Bernake to stimulate the economy. This lead to the housing bubble and it's burst. Most of these people that have been foreclosed on due to this foolishness could not afford a house at zero percentage rate.

The marketplace should be setting the interest rates...not the Fed.

Fo, if these people couldn't afford a house at zero, then Greenspan didn't make any difference to them. Additionally, as rates are now lower, not higher than they were, then it isn't rates that are causing the problem. He lowered rates in response to artificially rising home prices... and the "markets" could rise faster and more than he could lower them. IOW, while I don't like what he did any more than anyone else... he was trying to correct an equally manipulated and artificial rise in home prices caused by CRA and other manipulations.

I have no use for this double talking douche. I'm sorry...I'll never support any governmental intervention into the marketplace. It is not needed. Booms and busts occur...its the natural business cycle. Fooling around with the economy in this manner only make the busts that much harder to recover from when they occur.
Are you kidding me? He wanted government OUT of the marketplace. He is the one who thought "people aren't greedy" so we don't need rules.

yeah...He wanted the govt. out of the marketplace...yet he fully supported screwing the money supply. Greenspan..Master of saying a lot and sounding good and yet rarely ever answered ANY question posed to him. He was so good at "econospeak" that even the economists were baffled by this guy.

Mr. Greenspan....Go away spend the rest of your days boring academics.
Can we just have him retire completely? Do you REALLY want him teaching the next generation of economists? 05-nono
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(03-21-2009 02:19 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(03-21-2009 12:47 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(03-21-2009 11:48 AM)RobertN Wrote:  
(03-21-2009 07:56 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(03-20-2009 10:59 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(03-20-2009 09:14 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Screw Greenspan....He was to blame for this mess and he admits it. He artificially continued to lower interest rates just like Bernake to stimulate the economy. This lead to the housing bubble and it's burst. Most of these people that have been foreclosed on due to this foolishness could not afford a house at zero percentage rate.

The marketplace should be setting the interest rates...not the Fed.

Fo, if these people couldn't afford a house at zero, then Greenspan didn't make any difference to them. Additionally, as rates are now lower, not higher than they were, then it isn't rates that are causing the problem. He lowered rates in response to artificially rising home prices... and the "markets" could rise faster and more than he could lower them. IOW, while I don't like what he did any more than anyone else... he was trying to correct an equally manipulated and artificial rise in home prices caused by CRA and other manipulations.

I have no use for this double talking douche. I'm sorry...I'll never support any governmental intervention into the marketplace. It is not needed. Booms and busts occur...its the natural business cycle. Fooling around with the economy in this manner only make the busts that much harder to recover from when they occur.
Are you kidding me? He wanted government OUT of the marketplace. He is the one who thought "people aren't greedy" so we don't need rules.

yeah...He wanted the govt. out of the marketplace...yet he fully supported screwing the money supply. Greenspan..Master of saying a lot and sounding good and yet rarely ever answered ANY question posed to him. He was so good at "econospeak" that even the economists were baffled by this guy.

Mr. Greenspan....Go away spend the rest of your days boring academics.
Can we just have him retire completely? Do you REALLY want him teaching the next generation of economists? 05-nono

Yes...None of them would know what in the hell to do...since no one can understand him. They would all kill themselves in frustration.03-lmfao
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Greenspan warned about regulating the GSE's in 2004-05. (Fanny and Fredie) Bush took heed and tried to pass legislation to bring them under greater governmental control, but Barney Frank and Chris Dodd gutted the measure in 2005-2006.

Greenspan even though the FED., is a government sponsored entity, wanted and preached for greater government oversight of GSE's, this cannot be denied.

I hate the guy, but he did ring the first warning bell.

But the broader issues is there is STILL NO REGULATION FOR THE FED.

Quote:Fed's secrecy policy 3 years old tomorrow
In 2006, money suppliers stopped reporting publicly on money supply


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Posted: March 22, 2009
12:00 am Eastern

2009 WorldNetDaily

WASHINGTON – As America's economy continues in freefall, tomorrow marks an auspicious three-year anniversary – the day the Federal Reserve announced, with little fanfare, its decision to stop reporting to the public the M3 money supply, the broadest measure of three standards of measurement.

Federal Reserve is the non-government agency designated by Congress to control the nation's money supply, which directly impacts the value of the dollar and every investment held by Americans.




Since 2006, Americans have seen their investments plummet in value and witnessed the shrinking buying power of their earnings.

Why did the Fed make that decision three years ago? What was its rationale?

The justification for the secrecy by the organization that prints money was cost. By not producing those numbers for the public, the Fed would save about $1.5 million annually.

According to Jerry Robinson, author of the new book "Bankruptcy of Our Nation," the $1.5 million savings by the Fed amounted to 0.00000699 percent of it annual net income of last year.

"You would think that such a broad economic and inflation indicator would be continually produced, analyzed and monitored," says Robinson. "However, when the announcement came, it fell on deaf ears. This bold new move by the Fed caused some stir among economists, but it never received any real media coverage."

Just last Wednesday the Fed said it would flood the teetering financial system with an additional $1.2 trillion.

The money will be used, the Fed said, to buy government bonds and mortgage-related securities in hopes of lowering the borrowing costs for home mortgages and other types of loans, thereby stimulating economic activity. In other words, the central bank will print more money to pay for the purchases.

What the Fed does not explain publicly is how those kinds of infusions of money out of thin air, with nothing to back it, reduce the purchasing power and assets of all Americans by devaluing the dollar. The $1.2 trillion is in addition to hundreds of billions already added to the system since the beginning of the year and dwarfs even the biggest government bailouts to date.

The decision was seen as an admission that the economy is much worse than it had forecast at the board's last meeting in January.

Robinson predicted such moves in his new book. He saw the March 23, 2006, announcement by the Fed as a predicate to unprecedented emergency manipulations of the financial system in the future.

"You would think that there would have been some public outcry over the lack of transparency," he said. "But the average person has no idea what M3 is, and it is probably just as likely that they do not care."

Robinson says he was not surprised by the decision of the Fed two years ago to keep information about the expanding money supply from the very people it impacts. He says the Fed has never been known for its "transparency."

"Instead, it is an organization shrouded in secrecy," he writes in "Bankruptcy of Our Nation."

He points out it took from 1776 to 1983 to grow the M3 money supply by $2.5 trillion. But the supply increased by $2.5 trillion in the next 14 years. And then from 1997 to 2001 – only four years – it increased by that amount again.

"While the Federal Reserve has become less transparent in its actions than ever, we do know that right now, the printing presses are rolling and that the Federal Reserve is injecting massive amounts of currency into the U.S. economy," he explains.

Scarcity of currency, he writes, stabilizes its value, but overproduction reduces its value.

"And as the value of the dollar falls, what does that do to the prices of consumer goods?" he asks rhetorically. "It drives them up."

The Fed last week took consolation in a slight stock market rise in answer to its announcement about injecting $1.2 trillion more into the system. However, Robinson points out that rising stock prices don't actually mean increased wealth for those invested in those companies – simply because the dollar is not worth what it was before the infusion of capital into the system.

Robinson says the actions of the Fed can only serve at best as a temporary fix – placing a Band-Aid on a severe laceration.

"And it will only serve to delay and enlarge the scope of the impending day of reckoning for the United States," he adds.
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(03-22-2009 05:23 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Greenspan warned about regulating the GSE's in 2004-05. (Fanny and Fredie) Bush took heed and tried to pass legislation to bring them under greater governmental control, but Barney Frank and Chris Dodd gutted the measure in 2005-2006.

Greenspan even though the FED., is a government sponsored entity, wanted and preached for greater government oversight of GSE's, this cannot be denied.

I hate the guy, but he did ring the first warning bell.

But the broader issues is there is STILL NO REGULATION FOR THE FED.

Quote:Fed's secrecy policy 3 years old tomorrow
In 2006, money suppliers stopped reporting publicly on money supply


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Posted: March 22, 2009
12:00 am Eastern

2009 WorldNetDaily

WASHINGTON – As America's economy continues in freefall, tomorrow marks an auspicious three-year anniversary – the day the Federal Reserve announced, with little fanfare, its decision to stop reporting to the public the M3 money supply, the broadest measure of three standards of measurement.

Federal Reserve is the non-government agency designated by Congress to control the nation's money supply, which directly impacts the value of the dollar and every investment held by Americans.




Since 2006, Americans have seen their investments plummet in value and witnessed the shrinking buying power of their earnings.

Why did the Fed make that decision three years ago? What was its rationale?

The justification for the secrecy by the organization that prints money was cost. By not producing those numbers for the public, the Fed would save about $1.5 million annually.

According to Jerry Robinson, author of the new book "Bankruptcy of Our Nation," the $1.5 million savings by the Fed amounted to 0.00000699 percent of it annual net income of last year.

"You would think that such a broad economic and inflation indicator would be continually produced, analyzed and monitored," says Robinson. "However, when the announcement came, it fell on deaf ears. This bold new move by the Fed caused some stir among economists, but it never received any real media coverage."

Just last Wednesday the Fed said it would flood the teetering financial system with an additional $1.2 trillion.

The money will be used, the Fed said, to buy government bonds and mortgage-related securities in hopes of lowering the borrowing costs for home mortgages and other types of loans, thereby stimulating economic activity. In other words, the central bank will print more money to pay for the purchases.

What the Fed does not explain publicly is how those kinds of infusions of money out of thin air, with nothing to back it, reduce the purchasing power and assets of all Americans by devaluing the dollar. The $1.2 trillion is in addition to hundreds of billions already added to the system since the beginning of the year and dwarfs even the biggest government bailouts to date.

The decision was seen as an admission that the economy is much worse than it had forecast at the board's last meeting in January.

Robinson predicted such moves in his new book. He saw the March 23, 2006, announcement by the Fed as a predicate to unprecedented emergency manipulations of the financial system in the future.

"You would think that there would have been some public outcry over the lack of transparency," he said. "But the average person has no idea what M3 is, and it is probably just as likely that they do not care."

Robinson says he was not surprised by the decision of the Fed two years ago to keep information about the expanding money supply from the very people it impacts. He says the Fed has never been known for its "transparency."

"Instead, it is an organization shrouded in secrecy," he writes in "Bankruptcy of Our Nation."

He points out it took from 1776 to 1983 to grow the M3 money supply by $2.5 trillion. But the supply increased by $2.5 trillion in the next 14 years. And then from 1997 to 2001 – only four years – it increased by that amount again.

"While the Federal Reserve has become less transparent in its actions than ever, we do know that right now, the printing presses are rolling and that the Federal Reserve is injecting massive amounts of currency into the U.S. economy," he explains.

Scarcity of currency, he writes, stabilizes its value, but overproduction reduces its value.

"And as the value of the dollar falls, what does that do to the prices of consumer goods?" he asks rhetorically. "It drives them up."

The Fed last week took consolation in a slight stock market rise in answer to its announcement about injecting $1.2 trillion more into the system. However, Robinson points out that rising stock prices don't actually mean increased wealth for those invested in those companies – simply because the dollar is not worth what it was before the infusion of capital into the system.

Robinson says the actions of the Fed can only serve at best as a temporary fix – placing a Band-Aid on a severe laceration.

"And it will only serve to delay and enlarge the scope of the impending day of reckoning for the United States," he adds.
but..yet he artificially lowered interest rates that caused the the market place to delve into mal-investment and the subsequent burst of the housing bubble....I'm sorry...nothing will make me give this econospeak douche a pass.05-nono
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