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Obama's new strategy: Blaming Bush for 'mess'
Quote:In his inaugural address, President Obama proclaimed "an end to the petty grievances and false promises, the recriminations and worn-out dogmas that for far too long have strangled our politics."

It hasn't taken long for the recriminations to return — or for the Obama administration to begin talking about the unwelcome "inheritance" of its predecessor.

Over the past month, Obama has reminded the public at every turn that he is facing problems "inherited" from the Bush administration, using increasingly bracing language to describe the challenges his administration is up against. The "deepening economic crisis" that the president described six days after taking office became "a big mess" in remarks this month to graduating police cadets in Columbus, Ohio.


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Haven't we been saying this all along?
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I thought he was a United States Senator for the last two years?
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03-yawn If it wasn't Bush that caused this mess who was it? I know, I know, here come the repug talking points-"Well, the democrats had the House and Senate the last two years of Bush's administration".
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(03-14-2009 02:19 PM)RobertN Wrote:  03-yawn If it wasn't Bush that caused this mess who was it? I know, I know, here come the repug talking points-"Well, the democrats had the House and Senate the last two years of Bush's administration".

You're an ignorant fool who has no idea what role any person plays in any situation save a suicide bomber in a shopping mall.

The market today is a direct result in Obama and Geitner's incompetence. The market is down 20% since that fool took office. The market tanked even more after his moronic "stimulus" plan was passed.

This is the Obama market now. He can't blame Bush forever. And smart Americans know that. (no Robert, you aren't included in that group).
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What did Bush do to cause the mess?
I don't disagree that he has at least some of the blame.
I'm just trying to figure out whether you actually understand anything about what happened, or are just spouting left wing talking points with no clue what they mean.
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(03-14-2009 02:31 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Robert,
I'm just trying to figure out whether you actually understand anything about what happened, or are just spouting left wing talking points with no clue what they mean.

The latter. Robert is a useful idiot. Nothing more.
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I question the useful part of that term in this case.
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(03-14-2009 02:31 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Robert,
What did Bush do to cause the mess?
I don't disagree that he has at least some of the blame.
I'm just trying to figure out whether you actually understand anything about what happened, or are just spouting left wing talking points with no clue what they mean.
Yeah, I know, I know. It really was the democrats that caused it by messing with Fannie and Freddie. If it wasn't for that things would just be peachy.
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Notice how he didn't answer any part of your question Owl? That should tell you all you need to know about Robert al-N.
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You can't say it isn't a strategy that's worked in his favor thus far. Not saying that its right but it's an effective way to get people off of your back.
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Iraq, 2003 - Republicans control Congress and Bush in White House. Pissing away trillions of dollars and costing lives.
Katrina Aftermath, 2005 - "Way to go Brownie."
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(03-14-2009 03:06 PM)RockyMtnRamfan Wrote:  Blah, blah, blah.

That has to do with this topic how?
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(03-14-2009 03:06 PM)RockyMtnRamfan Wrote:  Iraq, 2003 - Republicans control Congress and Bush in White House. Pissing away trillions of dollars and costing lives.
Katrina Aftermath, 2005 - "Way to go Brownie."

You have any support for your use of the word "trillions"? What "trillions"?
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(03-14-2009 03:33 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(03-14-2009 03:06 PM)RockyMtnRamfan Wrote:  Iraq, 2003 - Republicans control Congress and Bush in White House. Pissing away trillions of dollars and costing lives.
Katrina Aftermath, 2005 - "Way to go Brownie."

You have any support for your use of the word "trillions"? What "trillions"?

http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/eco...tm?cnn=yes

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...02846.html

Obama put the Iraq and Afghanistan War back on the Omnibus Budget. I'm not surprised that the CEO President cooked the books with Iraq and Afghanistan listed as "Emergency Spending".
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(03-14-2009 03:06 PM)RockyMtnRamfan Wrote:  Iraq, 2003 - Republicans control Congress and Bush in White House. Pissing away trillions of dollars and costing lives.
Katrina Aftermath, 2005 - "Way to go Brownie."

First off, the Iraq hasn't cost us anywhere near a trillion dollars. Secondly, Nagin and Blanco should have got off their Democrat asses and evacuated the city. ...but no, they did just like any other damn Democrat, including the ones IN the city, and sat by and waited for the federal government to come and save them. I doubt there was one conservative that stayed in NO.

Anyone that wants to pin Katrina on Bush is a damn moron.
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(03-14-2009 03:35 PM)RockyMtnRamfan Wrote:  http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/eco...tm?cnn=yes

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...02846.html

Obama put the Iraq and Afghanistan War back on the Omnibus Budget. I'm not surprised that the CEO President cooked the books with Iraq and Afghanistan listed as "Emergency Spending".

Guess you missed this:

"Iraq war could cost taxpayers $2.7 trillion"
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(03-14-2009 03:53 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(03-14-2009 03:35 PM)RockyMtnRamfan Wrote:  http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/eco...tm?cnn=yes

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...02846.html

Obama put the Iraq and Afghanistan War back on the Omnibus Budget. I'm not surprised that the CEO President cooked the books with Iraq and Afghanistan listed as "Emergency Spending".

Guess you missed this:

"Iraq war could cost taxpayers $2.7 trillion"

Darned pesky things, those verbs.

Also, the way they calculate the costs neglects that many of those costs are sunk costs whether we're in Iraq or not, or whether Iraq even exists or not.

Not necessarily defending the war, just saying let's lay off the hyperbole when attacking it. Doesn't help your credibility.
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(03-14-2009 03:55 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(03-14-2009 03:53 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(03-14-2009 03:35 PM)RockyMtnRamfan Wrote:  http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/eco...tm?cnn=yes

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...02846.html

Obama put the Iraq and Afghanistan War back on the Omnibus Budget. I'm not surprised that the CEO President cooked the books with Iraq and Afghanistan listed as "Emergency Spending".

Guess you missed this:

"Iraq war could cost taxpayers $2.7 trillion"

Darned pesky things, those verbs.

Also, the way they calculate the costs neglects that many of those costs are sunk costs whether we're in Iraq or not, or whether Iraq even exists or not.

Not necessarily defending the war, just saying let's lay off the hyperbole when attacking it. Doesn't help your credibility.

Not that you read the articles.

The 2-3 trillion includes health care costs for Vets not initially in the Bush administration budget. The Bush administration budget grossly underestimated the cost of war and taking care of the Vets.
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(03-14-2009 04:03 PM)RockyMtnRamfan Wrote:  Not that you read the articles.

The 2-3 trillion includes health care costs for Vets not initially in the Bush administration budget. The Bush administration budget grossly underestimated the cost of war and taking care of the Vets.

Let's think about that for a minute.

A significant portion--not all, to be sure, but a significant portion--are health care costs that would be incurred anyway. Not dealing with limbs shot off in the war, obviously. But those don't amount to "trillions." The bigger cost lies in the health care benefits provided generally to veterans. To the extent these guys are "lifers" (as many are), their lifetime health care costs are going to be paid by the government anyway, so the regular recurring health care costs are not an incremental cost of the war. For that matter, if Obama succeeds in socializing medicine, the vast majority of these costs would not be marginal increments in any event.

Taking sunk costs that would be incurred anyway, and attributing them to Iraq just because the person (or machine) involved happend to pass through Iraq, is a disingenuous way to go about it.

As I said, I have my own complaints about the war in Iraq. Step one, I would never have gone in until bin Laden was dead or in chains. Step two, if I would have gone at all, I would have gotten in to win, killed all the bad guys, and gotten out, two years max. We could go on from there.

There's plenty not to like about the Iraq war. You don't need to play inappropriate games with the numbers to get there.
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(03-14-2009 04:03 PM)RockyMtnRamfan Wrote:  Not that you read the articles.

The 2-3 trillion includes health care costs for Vets not initially in the Bush administration budget. The Bush administration budget grossly underestimated the cost of war and taking care of the Vets.

"Could" is conjecture at this point in time. "Will" is a prediction, I.e. I can make one as well, "Tonight I'll win the lottery". Does it make it so? No.

Now, let's take these numbers you're throwing up. 2-3 trillion. I'm assuming they're saying when all's said and done. So, let's go to 2012, since even Obama isn't pulling everyone out in '11. 2003 to 2012 is 9 years. That's 333 million per year, but it'll be less because the very issues you're talking about will go on longer. So, let's say we're down to 300 million per year. Yeah, and you're concerned about the debt. Please.

Obama just spent 1.3 trillion dollars in 50 f'n days and you're slobbing all over his nob like a fluffer at a porn shoot. So please, spare me your disingenuous concern about debt.
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