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NC Judge ends home schooling....
...over so called "Creationism" being taught 05-stirthepot

Tyrany, no other word for it.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4727161/
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(03-13-2009 01:49 PM)GGniner Wrote:  ...over so called "Creationism" being taught 05-stirthepot

Tyrany, no other word for it.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4727161/

C'mon GGniner, that's not the whole story. This is a complicated parents' rights case.
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RE: NC Judge ends home schooling....
more info on it here:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php/?...geId=91397

Alan Keye's picks up the case here: http://loyaltoliberty.blogspot.com/2009/...thers.html


apparently the Judge declares the kids be forced into public schools, even though they are testing 2 yrs ahead, to be 'challenged' and is concerned over the Christian beleifs in the curriculum.

the father gets rewarded for his Adultery and is allowed to continue to play tennis with his mistress, over supporting the home schooling cost.
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(03-13-2009 02:26 PM)GGniner Wrote:  more info on it here:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php/?...geId=91397

Alan Keye's picks up the case here: http://loyaltoliberty.blogspot.com/2009/...thers.html


apparently the Judge declares the kids be forced into public schools, even though they are testing 2 yrs ahead, to be 'challenged' and is concerned over the Christian beleifs in the curriculum.

Obviously the judge is a schmuck, and should be relieved of his duties. He is not impartial in his rulings. However, this is a result of the father petitioning the court, and that deserves to be heard.
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(03-13-2009 02:47 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  Obviously the judge is a schmuck, and should be relieved of his duties. He is not impartial in his rulings. However, this is a result of the father petitioning the court, and that deserves to be heard...

...and overruled.
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I heard a zinger yesteday about home schoolers on the local curmudgeon's radio program:

"Has anyone ever heard of a home schooled kid who wasn't a straight A student? Well, if your parents are giving you the grades......"

Barely worthy of chuckle, but funny nonetheless.
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(03-13-2009 04:24 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I heard a zinger yesteday about home schoolers on the local curmudgeon's radio program:

"Has anyone ever heard of a home schooled kid who wasn't a straight A student? Well, if your parents are giving you the grades......"

Barely worthy of chuckle, but funny nonetheless.

When my "Home School Kids" and a Super Whiz Type Genius Public Schooled neighbors kid were in the car with me one day, I heard them crank up the subject of WWII and Pearl Harbor.

My kids listened intently to the Whiz Kid Genius just ramble on about how the Chinese had just bombed the begezzus out of Hawaii in 1940.

After a few minutes of this, two of my under-silent spawn piped up and said, you idiot, it was the Japanese who bombed Pearl Harbor, not the Chinese and it was in 1941 !!!!

The Whiz Kid just went in egregious mode and they almost starting fist fighting over these points in my car.

The Whiz Kid never relented and was eventually accepted into a very prestigious finishing school because of her "Academic Abilities" .....

Let us just hope her Major Field of Endeavor is not World History.

Yeah, my kids got good grades because they were taught this stuff.

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If people choose to educate their children ignoring science in favor of fairy tales...it should be their choice. The judge is a tyrannical moron.
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(03-13-2009 07:11 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  If people choose to educate their children ignoring science in favor of fairy tales...

Fairy tales with titles like

"Embryonic Recapitulation" and

"Tales of the Pepper Moths" ?
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(03-16-2009 08:10 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(03-13-2009 07:11 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  If people choose to educate their children ignoring science in favor of fairy tales...

Fairy tales with titles like

"Embryonic Recapitulation" and

"Tales of the Pepper Moths" ?

Even that...As long as they are learning the educational basics that allow them to be productive people....I could care less what other nonsense they are being taught.

If I was in charge of govt. school...Everything the kids would do until about the 5th grade would geared to them being proficient in reading ,writing and math. With these skills they can then basically teach themselves from that point on.
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(03-16-2009 04:04 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(03-16-2009 08:10 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(03-13-2009 07:11 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  If people choose to educate their children ignoring science in favor of fairy tales...

Fairy tales with titles like

"Embryonic Recapitulation" and

"Tales of the Pepper Moths" ?

Even that...As long as they are learning the educational basics that allow them to be productive people....I could care less what other nonsense they are being taught.

If I was in charge of govt. school...Everything the kids would do until about the 5th grade would geared to them being proficient in reading ,writing and math. With these skills they can then basically teach themselves from that point on.

That is the way it was for years and it was effective. That was when the individual school systems had control. Now it is nationally regulated and there is no longer time to give a depth of knowledge in each subject. I would add that until the 5th grade kids should be given considerable art and visual education in addition to the 3 Rs.
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(03-16-2009 04:04 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  If I was in charge of govt. school...Everything the kids would do until about the 5th grade would geared to them being proficient in reading ,writing and math. With these skills they can then basically teach themselves from that point on.

There is much truth to what you just wrote. But there is so much more, and it's not difficult.

When you look at the Trivium model of education, you realize how much sense we had before so many professional educators got involved w/ their Masters' theses.

The early grades are geared toward memorization of _facts_. (And I stress that latter part). That includes phonics (reading), arithmetic, grammar and spelling (writing), and other useful bits (telling time, reading a calendar, history, geography). They observe their world around them and intake huge amounts of information, and their brains are wired to do memorization. (Ask a kid about Pokemon and you'll be amazed at how much info they have memorized)
At this age kids are always interested in new information, they are very trusting of authority. This is important to note as you consider the political agenda that many elementary teacher have. That's why we must teach facts, you can't be a "productive citizen" w/o some basis in reality.

The middle grades, when adolescence kicks in, are for teaching logic. At this age children are contentious, always ready to challenge authority and argue their point. So you teach them how to contruct an argument. What's logical, what isn't. What's sound, what's valid. Why some arguments are flawed. This builds on the first stage, b/c they have facts at their disposal to construct their arguments...now you teach them to create sound arguments.

Finally, in the final grades, when appearance matters, you teach them presentation skills. This is the polish that you put on their ideas: coherent structure, aesthetics, etc. Again, building on the earlier stages, this is when you help them put their sound and valid concepts into practice. You help them understand how to engage other people by making good ideas attractive.

All of this works because it fits w/ childhood development. Furthermore, it's actually easier than most other approaches for that very reason. When you get teachers who try to do too much, too soon...you waste time (at best) and likely confuse kids (at worst).
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In New York, Judges will fall over backward to make sure that Jewish kids get sent to the parent who will raise them to be the most Jewish. Apparently this Judge wants to be sure that these kids are raised to be the least Christian.
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After much though on this topic...I have decided that I have no sympathy for anyone that joins into contract with the government. Since they entered into a government marriage contract and basically "begged" for permission to get married...this is a natural consequence of that action.
When they decided to divorce....they left themselves open to the government intrusion into their family decisions.

If people were allowed to enter into "private" contracts and be married without the permission of the government, this type of thing would be much less likely to occur. Stipulations in the contract could easily cover the education of the children without the governmental intervention. Arbitration would handle things not stipulated in the contract.

Unfortunately...As is usually the case...the child suffers in these cases at the hands of government.
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(03-19-2009 08:24 AM)Bourgeois_Rage Wrote:  http://sandefur.typepad.com/freespace/20...ision.html

Thanks. My wife just read about this case this morning; incensed she sent me an email w/ a different news article than the WND...it was more concise allowing it to be far more biased.

I am not surprised of the allegations of a cult, there were certainly big indications of that, even in the WND article. While cult and church are very hard to distinguish, it seems likely that this woman is involved w/ people who take away rights more than most people are comfortable with.
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