(03-12-2009 02:53 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(03-12-2009 02:31 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(03-12-2009 01:17 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(03-12-2009 01:10 PM)At Ease Wrote:  I have no idea what Pandora's Box you're talking about. We already live in a situation where anyone who wants drugs can obtain them.

If you don't see the BOX your head is in the sand.

Suppose we repealed the law on drunk driving? Would there be more or less drunks driving? The reason the laws are there is to let people know that if they break the rules, it will change your life. Deterrence, get it.

People drink and drive because they are stupid. People don't drink and drive because they don't want to end up wrapped around a tree. The law has nothing to do with it.

That's nonsense. The fear/concern over legal consequences have a huge impact on people's decisions.

Yep, that's why we people stopped committing murders.

If insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result, then our drug laws are insane.

(03-12-2009 06:21 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  If insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result, then our drug laws are insane.

Do you think that as part of his "Health Care Reform" Obama would order medical insurance companies to cover drug treatment/rehab as part of the standard coverage?

(03-12-2009 06:18 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(03-12-2009 02:53 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(03-12-2009 02:31 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(03-12-2009 01:17 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(03-12-2009 01:10 PM)At Ease Wrote:  I have no idea what Pandora's Box you're talking about. We already live in a situation where anyone who wants drugs can obtain them.

If you don't see the BOX your head is in the sand.

Suppose we repealed the law on drunk driving? Would there be more or less drunks driving? The reason the laws are there is to let people know that if they break the rules, it will change your life. Deterrence, get it.

People drink and drive because they are stupid. People don't drink and drive because they don't want to end up wrapped around a tree. The law has nothing to do with it.

That's nonsense. The fear/concern over legal consequences have a huge impact on people's decisions.

Yep, that's why we people stopped committing murders.

Be truthful, if there was no fear of going to jail for killing someone, isn't there someone out there you'd really like to cap and actually do it? And if not you, then how many others would?

(03-12-2009 06:18 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(03-12-2009 02:53 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(03-12-2009 02:31 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(03-12-2009 01:17 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(03-12-2009 01:10 PM)At Ease Wrote:  I have no idea what Pandora's Box you're talking about. We already live in a situation where anyone who wants drugs can obtain them.

If you don't see the BOX your head is in the sand.

Suppose we repealed the law on drunk driving? Would there be more or less drunks driving? The reason the laws are there is to let people know that if they break the rules, it will change your life. Deterrence, get it.

People drink and drive because they are stupid. People don't drink and drive because they don't want to end up wrapped around a tree. The law has nothing to do with it.

That's nonsense. The fear/concern over legal consequences have a huge impact on people's decisions.

Yep, that's why we people stopped committing murders.

Deductive logic does prove challenging to you, doesn't it?

(03-13-2009 08:39 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(03-12-2009 06:18 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(03-12-2009 02:53 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(03-12-2009 02:31 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(03-12-2009 01:17 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(03-12-2009 01:10 PM)At Ease Wrote:  I have no idea what Pandora's Box you're talking about. We already live in a situation where anyone who wants drugs can obtain them.

If you don't see the BOX your head is in the sand.

Suppose we repealed the law on drunk driving? Would there be more or less drunks driving? The reason the laws are there is to let people know that if they break the rules, it will change your life. Deterrence, get it.

People drink and drive because they are stupid. People don't drink and drive because they don't want to end up wrapped around a tree. The law has nothing to do with it.

That's nonsense. The fear/concern over legal consequences have a huge impact on people's decisions.

Yep, that's why we people stopped committing murders.

Deductive logic does prove challenging to you, doesn't it?

Just giving you a hard time Doctor.

Steve, I'd have a hit list a mile long. The Outlaw CB Wales would be my name.

(03-11-2009 08:49 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Legalize drugs.... take the money out of the black market. Tax it... then put in a national transportation network in with the revenue.

Mach...I agree about legalizing drugs....but...Why TF do you want to tax it? Is legalization simply a tool for additional theft?

You are assuming that we actually need a "national transportation network". This is the problem with statists. They have all these great ideas and the only way they can figure out to pay for them is to "tax" to finance them.

If a transportation network is valid idea(and I have no idea) then those in search of profit will figure out how to finance that idea(or any other idea) If not...Its probably not a good idea.

Stealing wealth from others is a criminal act...but...the government is exempt from that crime....WTF gives?

Dear Mexico:

**** you scumbags.

Signed,

Me

(03-13-2009 11:21 PM)Rebel Wrote:  Dear Mexico:

**** you scumbags.

Signed,

Me

Dear DEA:

**** you scumbags

Signed,

Me

I just don't see how something that was legal and widely used for thousands of years can be illegal to use in your own home. I can see not allowing anyone to drive while influenced but not allowing someone to take a quick spliff with a few friends in their homes is insanity. For cannabis to be our nations first and largest cash crop I think that's a bit of disrespect.

Also, our cannabis laws are useless to the point where our local law enforcement system is turning a blind eye to private use and cultivation, which it should. They are the ones that seem to realize that this is a losing battle and that everyone who wants a little weed can get it with no trouble at all...EVERYBODY. That includes pot-heads, police officers, teachers, stay-at-home wives, doctors, etc.

(03-14-2009 12:06 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I just don't see how something that was legal and widely used for thousands of years can be illegal to use in your own home. I can see not allowing anyone to drive while influenced but not allowing someone to take a quick spliff with a few friends in their homes is insanity. For cannabis to be our nations first and largest cash crop I think that's a bit of disrespect.

Also, our cannabis laws are useless to the point where our local law enforcement system is turning a blind eye to private use and cultivation, which it should. They are the ones that seem to realize that this is a losing battle and that everyone who wants a little weed can get it with no trouble at all...EVERYBODY. That includes pot-heads, police officers, teachers, stay-at-home wives, doctors, etc.

It is because cannabis is also a cash crop for law enforcement. Through the fines it collects from just simple possession of cannabis, the police state funds much of its operations and expansion.

Only cops and dealers are against decriminalization of cannabis. They are the two groups that directly profit from it being illegal.

As long as you do not break any laws outside of your home, you are free to do whatever you want inside your home. Police can do nothing without probable cause. If they enter or search without probable cause, it will likely be inadmissible.

(03-14-2009 10:46 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  As long as you do not break any laws outside of your home, you are free to do whatever you want inside your home. Police can do nothing without probable cause. If they enter or search without probable cause, it will likely be inadmissible.

Police are trained in getting you to submit to their questions without realizing that you are giving up your rights. If a cop says..."I'm going to have to ask you open up the trunk of your car"....he is asking..not ordering you to comply. You are under NO obligation to comply with anything that a cop "asks" you to do. You are only obligated to obey "orders". If you refuse..then they resort to the old disorderly conduct charge, which is simply a catch all to give them probable cause to snoop even more into your business.
Your best bet is to try and NEVER have any interaction with the police unless absolutely necessary. They can NOT be trusted as a collective.

All you have to say is, Yes, you can look in my car (trunk) as soon as you show me a search warrant. If you show me a search warrant, you don't have to ask me for permission.

(03-14-2009 11:29 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  All you have to say is, Yes, you can look in my car (trunk) as soon as you show me a search warrant. If you show me a search warrant, you don't have to ask me for permission.

That works in theory, but as soon as you cop an attitude with a cop what happens next is not what he'll tell the judge at your trial. I've had it happen to me and it sucks. The only way to defend yourself is to have hidden cameras and voice recorders in your car. In many ways I've lost respect for the police. Sorry Trip, that doesn't include you.

(03-14-2009 09:46 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(03-14-2009 11:29 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  All you have to say is, Yes, you can look in my car (trunk) as soon as you show me a search warrant. If you show me a search warrant, you don't have to ask me for permission.

That works in theory, but as soon as you cop an attitude with a cop what happens next is not what he'll tell the judge at your trial. I've had it happen to me and it sucks. The only way to defend yourself is to have hidden cameras and voice recorders in your car. In many ways I've lost respect for the police. Sorry Trip, that doesn't include you.

Yes...Nothing changes the attitude of a cop like a video camera.

Of course...The best thing is to not cop an attitude with the police and treat them cordially. I must say that being nice and using the magic word "officer" when addressing them goes a long way in having a good result in any situation. Never seek to antagonize them, just for the sake of making a point unless you are willing to go to jail.

Be nice...know your rights...and seek to end the interaction with the police as quickly as you can... is my advice.

(03-14-2009 09:58 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-14-2009 09:46 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(03-14-2009 11:29 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  All you have to say is, Yes, you can look in my car (trunk) as soon as you show me a search warrant. If you show me a search warrant, you don't have to ask me for permission.

That works in theory, but as soon as you cop an attitude with a cop what happens next is not what he'll tell the judge at your trial. I've had it happen to me and it sucks. The only way to defend yourself is to have hidden cameras and voice recorders in your car. In many ways I've lost respect for the police. Sorry Trip, that doesn't include you.

Yes...Nothing changes the attitude of a cop like a video camera.

Of course...The best thing is to not cop an attitude with the police and treat them cordially. I must say that being nice and using the magic word "officer" when addressing them goes a long way in having a good result in any situation. Never seek to antagonize them, just for the sake of making a point unless you are willing to go to jail.

Be nice...know your rights...and seek to end the interaction with the police as quickly as you can... is my advice.

I agree with everything you said. I treat cops with respect even if my opinion of them has lowered. But I think if I asked a cop to show me a search warrant when both he and I know he'd never have one during a traffic stop is a display of attitude and cockiness he might not be warm to. In fact, it's almost a challenge.

(03-14-2009 10:18 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(03-14-2009 09:58 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-14-2009 09:46 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(03-14-2009 11:29 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  All you have to say is, Yes, you can look in my car (trunk) as soon as you show me a search warrant. If you show me a search warrant, you don't have to ask me for permission.

That works in theory, but as soon as you cop an attitude with a cop what happens next is not what he'll tell the judge at your trial. I've had it happen to me and it sucks. The only way to defend yourself is to have hidden cameras and voice recorders in your car. In many ways I've lost respect for the police. Sorry Trip, that doesn't include you.

Yes...Nothing changes the attitude of a cop like a video camera.

Of course...The best thing is to not cop an attitude with the police and treat them cordially. I must say that being nice and using the magic word "officer" when addressing them goes a long way in having a good result in any situation. Never seek to antagonize them, just for the sake of making a point unless you are willing to go to jail.

Be nice...know your rights...and seek to end the interaction with the police as quickly as you can... is my advice.

I agree with everything you said. I treat cops with respect even if my opinion of them has lowered. But I think if I asked a cop to show me a search warrant when both he and I know he'd never have one during a traffic stop is a display of attitude and cockiness he might not be warm to. In fact, it's almost a challenge.

That's when a recording devise or witnesses become valuable.