Its seems to be that the coach has to be in control regardless of fans and players and frustrations, ie he or she needs to rise above that behavior. Bobby Knight got away with it for years and finally it did catch up with him.

Rams coaching career could renamed a movie Ramsey's House of Unfortunate Events-Gino Smith turns into a basket case, Skipper has health problems, what are the odds the same player breaks his foot twice, Bowdry, Dumes transfers after getting an opportunity at EMU (there's loyalty sarcasm). And for the most part Rams to his credit has taken in stride. I was sorry to hear about his incident because it means Rams has lost control not only of his team by himself. Hopefully this Christmas break is a time to think about his own future and rethink his "dream job" here at EMU.

PS I'm not nuts about how the avatars are displayed but if you click on the avatar you get a nice full image.

(12-31-2008 11:16 AM)huroncowboy Wrote:  Its seems to be that the coach has to be in control regardless of fans and players and frustrations, ie he or she needs to rise above that behavior. Bobby Knight got away with it for years and finally it did catch up with him.

Rams coaching career could renamed a movie Ramsey's House of Unfortunate Events-Gino Smith turns into a basket case, Skipper has health problems, what are the odds the same player breaks his foot twice, Bowdry, Dumes transfers after getting an opportunity at EMU (there's loyalty sarcasm). And for the most part Rams to his credit has taken in stride. I was sorry to hear about his incident because it means Rams has lost control not only of his team by himself. Hopefully this Christmas break is a time to think about his own future and rethink his "dream job" here at EMU.

I'm with you, Cowboy. This incident makes the start of the end for Ramsey no matter who was at fault. As a coach and a professional, you simply cannot do this. If he were a manager or some higher up at a regular job, he'd be gone. You simply cannot respond in this manner.

Quinn is a douchebag and a liar. Establishment has ever seen? WTF? That choice of word indicates to me he is lying because no one talks like that uless he is a 80 year old english dandy.

(12-30-2008 10:56 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(12-30-2008 07:21 PM)mac_helmets Wrote:  In my opinion, the Boury/Gutierrez situation was more troublesome than the Quinn/Ramsey situation. The Boury/Gutierrez was five years of serious tension that could've been even worse. A few talks were held, but nothing was settled. On top of that, the B/G problem might have inspired the current situation.

Curious if we could get more detail.

Who is Boury?

Five years of serious tension?

Brett Boury is an EMU alumnus who, at the time, was VP of Huron Restoration. He had it in for Boone and his staff from the beginning. Things heated up as more and more players left the team that first year, only to end when Boone was let go.

That 'loud guy' I've referred to in the past is that guy. He's the same guy who once booed Swoop's birthday.

This is also the same guy who went to nearly 18 years of consecutive home games. He's traveled as far as Missoula, Syracuse, Tempe, and Fargo to see EMU games. He could prove his travels with his tickets and the postcards that would send to Ben Braun and Milt Barnes.

Anyway, the first blowup happened in 2001 at Ball State. Obviously Boone was in his first year, trying to recruit, and was asking for some slack. Of course, you have to side with first year coach in this situation. Of course, Mr. Vendetta was still mad about Hess, Darling, Gates, and Warner leaving.

Another blowup involved one of the camera operators and Boury. The camera guy felt that Boury was acting childish. In return, Boury went on a rant about how he was on an alumni board and could get the camera guy removed. No action taken.

More "Hey Hey, Ho Ho" chants followed through the years. The chants, from that same person, easily filled the Convo. One would have to be completely deaf not to hear it. Jim Carty blindly referred to it during the '03-'04 season. I wouldn't be surprised if Boury was the reason the loudspeakers are too loud during basketball games.

To make things more uncomfortable, there was occasional access to the President's box during doubleheaders (alumni gatherings). When Boone would visit before his game, he'd be on the receiving end of some verbal digs. Boone tries to take the high road, but 'fans' like Boury can be a tremendous pain in the butt.

Boone's final season is when things boil over. The two that stick out in my mind are both home games. The Miami game was probably the game where it was apparent that EMU wasn't going to win much more in Boone's final contract year. Boury, not wanting to see Boone return, wanted Boone gone with more fervor than ever. This was probably as mad as he would get. This would be a good time to address the situation but nothing happens.

The home game versus Buffalo was when the Gutierrez incident took place. At this point, the coaching staff probably knew they weren't going to be around EMU much longer and, I guess they had enough. Once again Jason Bird lit up EMU and Boury decided to light up Boone with more "Hey Hey, Ho Ho" chants. With the confrontations, the ranting, the frustrations, and the fact that Boury had received a few comp tickets from the staff (Nebraska and Illinois St. games), things came to a boil.

Before the game had ended I noticed two things, Gutierrez wasn't at court side and a student staffer was in Boury's section. Both would seem unusual to any regular who attended Convo games. Especially odd is how Gutierrez made his way over to the opposite corner of the arena.

As soon as the game ended, people were heading out. Now I can only assume that Gutierrez made his way to the nearest corner elevator to make his way toward Boury. I can't say the content changed much over the years, it was the same arguments with only two things different. They were surrounded by a group of undergrads and it was getting very close to becoming a fight.

Fortunately, it never went beyond the argument. Gutierrez stormed off and a Convo staffer stopped by to figure things out and smooth things over. After that, Boury finally decided to not yell anymore and just wish the team to lose the rest of their games. All that became of the final incident was Diles reprimanding Boone, no suspensions, no banishment, and a forgettable blurb in the A2 news.

Steve, that's about the best I can do. In case you've read this far, thanks for your time.

(01-01-2009 01:09 PM)mac_helmets Wrote:  The home game versus Buffalo was when the Gutierrez incident took place. At this point, the coaching staff probably knew they weren't going to be around EMU much longer and, I guess they had enough. Once again Jason Bird lit up EMU and Boury decided to light up Boone with more "Hey Hey, Ho Ho" chants. With the confrontations, the ranting, the frustrations, and the fact that Boury had received a few comp tickets from the staff (Nebraska and Illinois St. games), things came to a boil.

Before the game had ended I noticed two things, Gutierrez wasn't at court side and a student staffer was in Boury's section. Both would seem unusual to any regular who attended Convo games. Especially odd is how Gutierrez made his way over to the opposite corner of the arena.

As soon as the game ended, people were heading out. Now I can only assume that Gutierrez made his way to the nearest corner elevator to make his way toward Boury. I can't say the content changed much over the years, it was the same arguments with only two things different. They were surrounded by a group of undergrads and it was getting very close to becoming a fight.

Fortunately, it never went beyond the argument. Gutierrez stormed off and a Convo staffer stopped by to figure things out and smooth things over. After that, Boury finally decided to not yell anymore and just wish the team to lose the rest of their games. All that became of the final incident was Diles reprimanding Boone, no suspensions, no banishment, and a forgettable blurb in the A2 news.

Steve, that's about the best I can do. In case you've read this far, thanks for your time.

I attended that game and sat about 8 rows in front of Boury. As was my habit, I headed immediately to the exit at the final buzzer and did not witness the incident. The entire game Boury acted out and although his rantings never ran into profanity, he was very hostile and it was very unpleasant being in the Convo with him. I recall there was a woman with two small children sitting a couple of rows from me and they were subjected to Boury's inconsiderate and childish antics throughout the game. I doubt she ever returned to the Convo and certainly couldn't give a good report of her experiences at an EMU basketball game. So much for his being a "fan" and a supporter of the university.

(01-01-2009 01:09 PM)mac_helmets Wrote:  

(12-30-2008 10:56 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(12-30-2008 07:21 PM)mac_helmets Wrote:  In my opinion, the Boury/Gutierrez situation was more troublesome than the Quinn/Ramsey situation. The Boury/Gutierrez was five years of serious tension that could've been even worse. A few talks were held, but nothing was settled. On top of that, the B/G problem might have inspired the current situation.

Curious if we could get more detail.

Who is Boury?

Five years of serious tension?

Brett Boury is an EMU alumnus who, at the time, was VP of Huron Restoration. He had it in for Boone and his staff from the beginning. Things heated up as more and more players left the team that first year, only to end when Boone was let go.

That 'loud guy' I've referred to in the past is that guy. He's the same guy who once booed Swoop's birthday.

This is also the same guy who went to nearly 18 years of consecutive home games. He's traveled as far as Missoula, Syracuse, Tempe, and Fargo to see EMU games. He could prove his travels with his tickets and the postcards that would send to Ben Braun and Milt Barnes.

Anyway, the first blowup happened in 2001 at Ball State. Obviously Boone was in his first year, trying to recruit, and was asking for some slack. Of course, you have to side with first year coach in this situation. Of course, Mr. Vendetta was still mad about Hess, Darling, Gates, and Warner leaving.

Another blowup involved one of the camera operators and Boury. The camera guy felt that Boury was acting childish. In return, Boury went on a rant about how he was on an alumni board and could get the camera guy removed. No action taken.

More "Hey Hey, Ho Ho" chants followed through the years. The chants, from that same person, easily filled the Convo. One would have to be completely deaf not to hear it. Jim Carty blindly referred to it during the '03-'04 season. I wouldn't be surprised if Boury was the reason the loudspeakers are too loud during basketball games.

To make things more uncomfortable, there was occasional access to the President's box during doubleheaders (alumni gatherings). When Boone would visit before his game, he'd be on the receiving end of some verbal digs. Boone tries to take the high road, but 'fans' like Boury can be a tremendous pain in the butt.

Boone's final season is when things boil over. The two that stick out in my mind are both home games. The Miami game was probably the game where it was apparent that EMU wasn't going to win much more in Boone's final contract year. Boury, not wanting to see Boone return, wanted Boone gone with more fervor than ever. This was probably as mad as he would get. This would be a good time to address the situation but nothing happens.

The home game versus Buffalo was when the Gutierrez incident took place. At this point, the coaching staff probably knew they weren't going to be around EMU much longer and, I guess they had enough. Once again Jason Bird lit up EMU and Boury decided to light up Boone with more "Hey Hey, Ho Ho" chants. With the confrontations, the ranting, the frustrations, and the fact that Boury had received a few comp tickets from the staff (Nebraska and Illinois St. games), things came to a boil.

Before the game had ended I noticed two things, Gutierrez wasn't at court side and a student staffer was in Boury's section. Both would seem unusual to any regular who attended Convo games. Especially odd is how Gutierrez made his way over to the opposite corner of the arena.

As soon as the game ended, people were heading out. Now I can only assume that Gutierrez made his way to the nearest corner elevator to make his way toward Boury. I can't say the content changed much over the years, it was the same arguments with only two things different. They were surrounded by a group of undergrads and it was getting very close to becoming a fight.

Fortunately, it never went beyond the argument. Gutierrez stormed off and a Convo staffer stopped by to figure things out and smooth things over. After that, Boury finally decided to not yell anymore and just wish the team to lose the rest of their games. All that became of the final incident was Diles reprimanding Boone, no suspensions, no banishment, and a forgettable blurb in the A2 news.

Steve, that's about the best I can do. In case you've read this far, thanks for your time.

Thanks. I did read it word for word.

I tried to follow EMU hoops the best I could but I am a long ways from Michigan.

I did(do) know a lot from someone(s) who attend games and talked with folks.

I did not know the whole story of this incident and only in this thread did I learn that this was 'five years in the making.'

Needless to say, I was very upset the way things went. I used come to Ypsilanti for games, went to tourneys, contributed some nice $ to the program.

I went to lunch once with Andy, Dave and Glenn. I found them to be neat. Matter of fact, Glenn was such a low key, quiet guy it was unbelievable. He preferred to listen not talk. That is rare these days...

More later... It is Georgia 17, MSU 6 (MSU driving).

Let me SPECULATE.

Gay was recruited by Boone. I believe he almost transferred after Ramsey's first year. Quinn is Gay's roomie.

Is any of this Quinn/Ramsey stuff kind of 'what goes around, comes around?'

Maybe EMU could have learned form the Washington Wizards...

There was a lawyer and political gadfly who had prime seats at the Capital Centre (before Verizon Center). He sat not more then 10 feet from the visitor's bench and berated and verbally abused the opponents. I swear it was lucky Charles Barkley didn't beat his a*s. Washingtonians considered him an embarrassment.

This guy had a reputation throughout the league. His antics were featured on sports shows. I remember seeing Charles Barkley discussing this guy and his antics on national sports show.

Finally the NBA apparently got to the Wizards and they pulled his seasons.

EMU athletics should have sat down Boury.

Attending an athletic event is not a constitutional right. Fans can be removed for bad behavior.

(01-01-2009 02:33 PM)DexterEagle Wrote:  I attended that game and sat about 8 rows in front of Boury. As was my habit, I headed immediately to the exit at the final buzzer and did not witness the incident. The entire game Boury acted out and although his rantings never ran into profanity, he was very hostile and it was very unpleasant being in the Convo with him. I recall there was a woman with two small children sitting a couple of rows from me and they were subjected to Boury's inconsiderate and childish antics throughout the game. I doubt she ever returned to the Convo and certainly couldn't give a good report of her experiences at an EMU basketball game. So much for his being a "fan" and a supporter of the university.

Speaking of others in that section, you're probably aware of this, there were youth groups and other young families who sat there during those times. I'm willing to bet that might be another reason why the upper section is unavailable for most games.

(01-01-2009 03:47 PM)emu steve Wrote:  Thanks. I did read it word for word.

I tried to follow EMU hoops the best I could but I am a long ways from Michigan.

I did(do) know a lot from someone(s) who attend games and talked with folks.

I did not know the whole story of this incident and only in this thread did I learn that this was 'five years in the making.'

Needless to say, I was very upset the way things went. I used come to Ypsilanti for games, went to tourneys, contributed some nice $ to the program.

I went to lunch once with Andy, Dave and Glenn. I found them to be neat. Matter of fact, Glenn was such a low key, quiet guy it was unbelievable. He preferred to listen not talk. That is rare these days...

More later... It is Georgia 17, MSU 6 (MSU driving).

I believe you when it comes to the staff. I've heard nothing but good about Dave and Glenn... well you just added another dimension. It just goes to show how much of an agitator Boury can be.

I waited a long time to point this out because I thought this would blow over. Now that the Quinn incident occured, the Boury situation needs to be a more visible reference point. This kind of stuff must be stopped at EMU.

(01-01-2009 04:20 PM)emu steve Wrote:  Maybe EMU could have learned form the Washington Wizards...

There was a lawyer and political gadfly who had prime seats at the Capital Centre (before Verizon Center). He sat not more then 10 feet from the visitor's bench and berated and verbally abused the opponents. I swear it was lucky Charles Barkley didn't beat his a*s. Washingtonians considered him an embarrassment.

This guy had a reputation throughout the league. His antics were featured on sports shows. I remember seeing Charles Barkley discussing this guy and his antics on national sports show.

Finally the NBA apparently got to the Wizards and they pulled his seasons.

EMU athletics should have sat down Boury.

Attending an athletic event is not a constitutional right. Fans can be removed for bad behavior.

That's what boggles my mind.

I know the heckler during Ron Collins' moment of silence was removed. Why did Boury basically get away with five years worth and now this Quinn situation is still undetermined? As far as I can tell, it is the same procedures. Why are things so inconsistent at the Convo?

To drive this thought home, for all the times Superfan has been screwed over by the refs, you would think that the Boury and Quinn would be open-shut cases. For every time Superfan has been ejected, Boury deserved far worse and the same goes for Quinn.

For all the s*it that Boone took during his time at EMU, Dave, Glen and Andy have very good reputations. Matter of fact, Boone's staff never had trouble getting good jobs - Stone went to OSU, Andy to UofM, Dave to UofM and later Air Force, etc.

Not to mention Boone at Tusculum and Glen at either Lee or Jefferson.

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For all the s*it that Boone took during his time at EMU, Dave, Glen and Andy have very good reputations. Matter of fact, Boone's staff never had trouble getting good jobs - Stone went to OSU, Andy to UofM, Dave to UofM and later Air Force, etc.
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So? Assistants get jobs all the time. What you list is more about who they know than what they actually do know.

All I know is that Jim Boone was one of the worst coach's I've seen in sports. Not quite Rod Marinelli, but in the same stadium.

MAJOR BUMP

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/20652525/detail.html

That's the true character of the "Fire Boone" guy. Thank God EMU has better character than this guy.

Even though I'm a week late putting my two cents in on this, I'll do it anyways. Sorry I haven't been on. Since Aug. 17th, I've helped enroll 103 new students in two and half weeks at the college I work at.

Rams is one of the most visible coaches on campus (besides English) because he's the coach of one of the visible sports on campus. Expectations are high because of the past history of Braun and Barnes(with Braun's players).

First off, where was security at Callahan Hall? The student should have never been allowed back there in the first place. Any other school, the student would have not been allowed back there because security would have stopped him.

Second, this was embarrassing, but not the biggest embarrassment. I was an athlete at EMU and saw worse things happen. What about the wrestling coach who embezzled money from the program upwards to $20,000 to $30,000 in the late '90's? Now that was embarrassing. What about the women's golf coach that Diles hired and then fired six weeks later in 2003 because she caught drinking with her players by another coach at a tournament while representing the school. That almost got us NCAA violations. Very embarrassing.

I currently work at a college were basketball is king(we don't have football). So far, we haven't had any major incidents with fans and coaches(knock on wood) but we did have a fan nearly get into it with one of our coaches a couple of years ago, but cooler heads prevailed.

Hopefully, this doesn't get out of hand to the point that we are scrambling to hire a new coach a month before practices start like in '96 when Braun left two weeks before practices began.

Sorry I can't make it to the NW game. Unlce Sam said I owe him more tax money.

EMUTRACK1574 - Could you make it if I told you I had just ordered four tickets?

Yeah...Let me chance my doctor appt.