Guys Robert Al-N loves Hamas, he hates jews. He wants Jews purged whenever and whereever possible. You can't have a rational discussion with him on this topic because he is an apologist for anyone that kills Jews. He hates them.

You're better off ignoring his ignorance than wasting the effort trying to get a rational discussion from him.

(12-28-2008 05:08 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Guys Robert Al-N loves Hamas, he hates jews. He wants Jews purged whenever and whereever possible. You can't have a rational discussion with him on this topic because he is an apologist for anyone that kills Jews. He hates them.

You're better off ignoring his ignorance than wasting the effort trying to get a rational discussion from him.

If that is the case, you must be Jewish because I hate you. Seriously, I don't hate Jewish people, I just try to show the other side of the coin. THat is something not done here. It is all "hate the Muslims" and never that Israel deserves some blame for the problems.

(12-28-2008 05:42 PM)RobertN Wrote:  It is all "hate the Muslims" and never that Israel deserves some blame for the problems.

No, it is not ...

I do not hate a Single Original Quran (Koran [sic]) believing Peaceful Muslim or Arab or Middle Easterner.

I have no reason to Hate anyone who is just trying to live Free and Leave others alone. I respect it with all I am.

I know me and I stay away from "People". My Uncle who lives next door to me has not seen my face since Katrina. My non-kin neighbors have not seen my face in Years.

I keep to my self and I leave people alone .... I simply want the same courtesy from Others - -

Do not fly Airplanes into my Buildings making me see you as a "Mortal Enemy", because for all your B.S. about Not Fearing Death and Your 70 Virgins .... this is one Real unafraid of Death human being that will go down with you in a bath of blood.

I don't care !!!

Stay your Religious Ignorant Cave Dwelling Unbathed Selves over in the Middle East and Beat Your Women in Public and Hang them when they are Gang Raped - - this is between you and your god.

I will not yield to Sharia Law and I will Oblige as many of you as I can in sending you hastily on to your 70 Virgin's ....

Fairly simple ideology for living a Peaceful Existence in an Otherwise Non-Peaceful World.

Leave me alone, I leave you alone …. It just doesn't get any easier.

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(12-28-2008 05:42 PM)RobertN Wrote:  If that is the case, you must be Jewish because I hate you.

Thank you.

In one sentence you have given me the greatest validation I'm living my life right.

(12-28-2008 06:23 PM)Tripster Wrote:  Leave me alone, I leave you alone …. It just doesn't get any easier.

That's some good advice.

(12-28-2008 06:36 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(12-28-2008 05:42 PM)RobertN Wrote:  If that is the case, you must be Jewish because I hate you.

Thank you.

In one sentence you have given me the greatest validation I'm living my life right.

You conveniently forgot to add the part where I said it was a joke.

(12-28-2008 09:54 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(12-28-2008 06:36 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(12-28-2008 05:42 PM)RobertN Wrote:  If that is the case, you must be Jewish because I hate you.

Thank you.

In one sentence you have given me the greatest validation I'm living my life right.

You conveniently forgot to add the part where I said it was a joke.

Per you in the magic negro thread:

Quote:I have a sense of humor. The thing is something actually has to be funny in order it to be humorous. Sorry to say, racism is not humerous.

Your position changes by the hour.

I still think we should make Jurasalem the capital of the world. Put the UN there. No one owns it..... everyone owns it. Think how many people have died for or about a religion. This madness needs to stop. I don't blame Isreal for defending against daily rocket attacks either.

(12-27-2008 10:06 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(12-27-2008 09:48 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-27-2008 06:21 PM)RobertN Wrote:  Yep. THe chosen ones are at it again. Trying to "cleanse" the region-but then remind you how many Jewish people were killed in the holocaust. Kind of ironic isn't it?

Let me ask you a question: Do you think Israel would attack Gaza if Hamas wasn't lobbing mortars and rockets at them? Israel should hit them and hit them hard.

By the way, it's not the Jews who want to do the "cleansing."

Yes, I do believe that. I also disagree that it isn't the Jews wanting to do the cleansing. Don't kid yourself. Both sides want the "cleansing".

You really ought to read up on the opportunities found by Arabs in modern Israel. The ones who go there for freedom do quite well, they own businesses, raise families, etc. It's safe and welcoming.
The ones who go there with a belt of explosives under their clothes are the ones who tell a different tale.

You know Robert, it's not a crime to use some discretion in choosing whose story to believe.

(12-29-2008 12:18 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I still think we should make Jurasalem the capital of the world. Put the UN there. No one owns it..... everyone owns it.

Not a bad idea.

Eerily aeschatological...but an interesting idea.

(12-28-2008 12:01 AM)RobertN Wrote:  Oh, funny thing is you seem to claim you would take up arms against invaders, yet you deplore the Iraqi's using force to defend against its "invaders"(the United States). THink about that for a while.

There is nothing to think about. The US are the liberators not invaders. The 160,000 American Military liberated 50 million Iraqis. They now live in a world where they can shape their own future. The majority of Iraqis want American Security forces there. Robert you know the As-Sahab talking points soooo verrrry well. You been watching too much al-jazeera. Your deep seated hate for the Israel and the US is so apparent it borders on the insane, You cannot brush it off and deny it no matter what you say. You have no more credibility than Bill Clinton after he said "I did not have sexual relations with that women". It's what you sound like when you deny your Anti-semitic anti-American views.

(12-27-2008 07:13 PM)Tripster Wrote:  .

RobertN - - that Land belongs to God, NOT Men.

He gave that as a Gift to the Jewish Nation many thousands of Years Ago and He did not want it given too the Arab Tribes - - He GAVE THE Arabs THEIR Milk and Honey many thousands of Years Ago Too !!!

Issac is the Father of the Jewish Nation - - Ishmael is the Father of the Arab Nation ......

BOTH Are the Son's of Abraham and BOTH Issac and Ishmael were Promised, By God, Nations whose numbers were like the Stars in the Sky and the Sand in the Seas.

You see, this is were Reading the Bible comes in handy - - you know that Both Arab and Jew are Blood Kin and BOTH Arab and Jew were Given Great Nations and Sweet Lands by the Grace and Hand of God.

Once you know this, everything else "Should Fall Into Place" (for Logical Beings anyway).

Israel should have never given ONE INCH of Her Land Away - - NEVER !!!

And I blame Bill Clinton's nosy persistence in a Legacy Seeking Bid too be a Star in History, for forcing the Hand of Israel into Signing this False Peace and Giving Their Lands Away.

Nothing but Bad and Assassinations of Her Leaders has happened since.

This ain't E.F. Hutton Speaking - - it is God and they didn't listen - - seems they are listening NOW.

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Trip...You summed up this whole thing in one sentence...This land belongs to God....not man. Neither side believe that for one second and are willing to die for a piece of land that no one else in the world would ever consider picking as home.
I lost any real concern for this issue long ago and advocate the elimination of my stolen wages being wasted in the region. Let Israel handle this and stay the hell out of it.

(12-27-2008 10:06 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(12-27-2008 09:48 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-27-2008 06:21 PM)RobertN Wrote:  Yep. THe chosen ones are at it again. Trying to "cleanse" the region-but then remind you how many Jewish people were killed in the holocaust. Kind of ironic isn't it?

Let me ask you a question: Do you think Israel would attack Gaza if Hamas wasn't lobbing mortars and rockets at them? Israel should hit them and hit them hard.
By the way, it's not the Jews who want to do the "cleansing."

Yes, I do believe that. I also disagree that it isn't the Jews wanting to do the cleansing. Don't kid yourself. Both sides want the "cleansing".

There's a rather large elephant in the room here. The present confines of Israel simply cannot support both the Jews and the Palestinians. Gaza is the ancestral homeland of the Palestinians but it's certainly not inhabitable for the entire Palestinian population. Give the Palestinians enough of the West Bank to survive and Israel is left with an untenable defensive position, a bad thing when you are surrounded by enemies. A Palestinian homeland split between Gaza and the West Bank inevitably creates the need for movement between the two, vastly increasing the terrorism risk to Israel.

In the view of many on both sides, there are only two possible solutions:
1. The Jews eliminate all Palestinians and occupy the entire area themselves; or
2. The Palestinians eliminate all Jews and occupy the entire area themselves.

To many in the Arab world, this is a perfect situation. After 1973 they don't want to confront Israel directly because of they don't want to be nuked. They don't really care for the Palestinians, whom they regard as second-class citizens similar to the way western Europeans have historically regarded Jews. By supporting Palestinian militants they can "stick it to" Israel without risking any true Arab blood. Whatever territorial ambitions Israel might have are held in check by the need to deal with the Palestinian problem.

The only way out that I can see is to find somewhere other than the West Bank to make a Palestinian homeland. The logical choice based on history is to go out into the Sinai. Two obvious problems are (1) Egypt would have to give up land, and (2) the Sinai is pretty uninhabitable as is. Both of those problems can be overcome with money--lots of money, to be sure, but probably less money than the alternative is going to cost in the end.

Jimmy Carter had a golden opportunity to craft something like this at Camp David, but failed to comprehend the reality and failed to seize the day.

I'm guessing a three-pronged approach might work (with apologies to Tom Clancy):
1. Create a Palestinian homeland in the Sinai, with US and other western nations making the pot right for all players to go along, and
2. Arab states recognizing Israel's right to exist, in exchange for
3. Jerusalem's being established as an open city under international rule.

It's not a perfect framework, but it's better than the two choices that exist now.

(12-29-2008 10:12 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  They don't really care for the Palestinians, whom they regard as second-class citizens similar to the way western Europeans have historically regarded Jews.

What is it about the Palestinians that makes them so different from the other Arabs?

People, don't you realize? RobertN is a leftist. He hates Jews. Always has. Every leftist hates Jews. I didn't think this was a secret.

Now, why Jews still vote Dem? I have no f'n clue. They are but beggars to their own demise.

As for the question, would Israel attack the West Bank, Golan, and Gaza if they weren't attacked? Not no, but hell no. There would be no point to it. The Israelis WANT to live in peace. ....with ANYONE. It's the GDamn Muzzies that hate Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists, Wiccans, Agnostics, Easter-bunnians, 5 Y/O's, women, Bambi, 'Ole Yeller, and everyone else.

I would be considered left of center and I certainly don't hate Isreal. I just wish they didn't shoot civilians with American made guns. I don't like it when an F-16 targets population centers. I KNOW the cowards hide artillery in these sections. I'm a big fan of peace and BOTH sides have blood on their hands. Violence begets violence and it's a never ending cycle. I don't like us taking up sides. I have no ill will towards Jews or Palestinians.

(12-29-2008 08:13 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(12-28-2008 12:01 AM)RobertN Wrote:  Oh, funny thing is you seem to claim you would take up arms against invaders, yet you deplore the Iraqi's using force to defend against its "invaders"(the United States). THink about that for a while.

There is nothing to think about. The US are the liberators not invaders. The 160,000 American Military liberated 50 million Iraqis. They now live in a world where they can shape their own future. The majority of Iraqis want American Security forces there. Robert you know the As-Sahab talking points soooo verrrry well. You been watching too much al-jazeera. Your deep seated hate for the Israel and the US is so apparent it borders on the insane, You cannot brush it off and deny it no matter what you say. You have no more credibility than Bill Clinton after he said "I did not have sexual relations with that women". It's what you sound like when you deny your Anti-semitic anti-American views.

Wow. You REALLY are unable to think outside the US position. You can't think how the other side sees things. Very sad.

(12-29-2008 09:21 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-27-2008 07:13 PM)Tripster Wrote:  .

RobertN - - that Land belongs to God, NOT Men.

He gave that as a Gift to the Jewish Nation many thousands of Years Ago and He did not want it given too the Arab Tribes - - He GAVE THE Arabs THEIR Milk and Honey many thousands of Years Ago Too !!!

Issac is the Father of the Jewish Nation - - Ishmael is the Father of the Arab Nation ......

BOTH Are the Son's of Abraham and BOTH Issac and Ishmael were Promised, By God, Nations whose numbers were like the Stars in the Sky and the Sand in the Seas.

You see, this is were Reading the Bible comes in handy - - you know that Both Arab and Jew are Blood Kin and BOTH Arab and Jew were Given Great Nations and Sweet Lands by the Grace and Hand of God.

Once you know this, everything else "Should Fall Into Place" (for Logical Beings anyway).

Israel should have never given ONE INCH of Her Land Away - - NEVER !!!

And I blame Bill Clinton's nosy persistence in a Legacy Seeking Bid too be a Star in History, for forcing the Hand of Israel into Signing this False Peace and Giving Their Lands Away.

Nothing but Bad and Assassinations of Her Leaders has happened since.

This ain't E.F. Hutton Speaking - - it is God and they didn't listen - - seems they are listening NOW.

.

Trip...You summed up this whole thing in one sentence...This land belongs to God....not man. Neither side believe that for one second and are willing to die for a piece of land that no one else in the world would ever consider picking as home.
I lost any real concern for this issue long ago and advocate the elimination of my stolen wages being wasted in the region. Let Israel handle this and stay the hell out of it.

Now which God would that be? Also, you are assuming there actually IS a God. Maybe the land DOES belong to MAN?

(12-30-2008 01:15 AM)Rebel Wrote:  People, don't you realize? RobertN is a leftist. He hates Jews. Always has. Every leftist hates Jews. I didn't think this was a secret.

Now, why Jews still vote Dem? I have no f'n clue. They are but beggars to their own demise.

As for the question, would Israel attack the West Bank, Golan, and Gaza if they weren't attacked? Not no, but hell no. There would be no point to it. The Israelis WANT to live in peace. ....with ANYONE. It's the GDamn Muzzies that hate Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists, Wiccans, Agnostics, Easter-bunnians, 5 Y/O's, women, Bambi, 'Ole Yeller, and everyone else.

You say I hate Jewish people and Israel(which isn't true) but then you go and say "GDamn Muzzies"? It seems like you probably should just be quiet about who people hate when you spout off about hating a group yourself.

(12-29-2008 11:16 PM)jh Wrote:  

(12-29-2008 10:12 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  They don't really care for the Palestinians, whom they regard as second-class citizens similar to the way western Europeans have historically regarded Jews.

What is it about the Palestinians that makes them so different from the other Arabs?

True Palestinians are not ethnically pure. They are lineal descendants of the Philistines of Biblical times. The derivation of the name is obvious. Look at a map of OT Israel and you will see Philistia in the area now called the Gaza strip. The Philistines were of European (many think Greek) stock. There has been a lot of intermarriage over the last three thousand years, so Palestinians of today are pretty much of mixed European/semitic blood. Like almost any mixed race, there are strong prejudices against.

Many Arab countries do not permit Palestinians to immigrate, and some do not allow them to enter. The Palestinians, in many ways the outcasts of the Arab world, now share Israel with the Jews, in many ways the outcasts of the western world. How ironic.

Of course, if you rely for your information on current news media, many of whom persist in calling Arabs "anti-semitic," you're not going to become aware of the subtle implications that drive much that goes on there.