I know it's far-fetched but couldn't Medvedev be going to Cuba on a humanitarian trip? Cuba has been devastated by hurricanes this summer (Gustav, Ike and Paloma) and I suspect financially has taken a massive hit that they can't recover from by themselves.

Due to its location in hurricane alley - I think Cuba's future as a world leader in the evil empire is in major jeopardy. A couple more seasons like this one and we're talking another Dominican Republic??

Tripster Wrote:Only '2' Choices on this POP Quiz .... so it ain't hard and there are no Trick Questions.
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Wrong. There are more than two choices here. The world is not black and white; there are a multitude of gray areas. We cannot afford to be the police of the world. Even if we could afford it, we have been doing a pretty sucky job at it by supporting vicious dictators when it serves our national interest and not the interest of those who the dictator rules over (i.e. Taliban in Afghanistan, Hussein in Iran-Iraq War, Musharraf in Pakistan, Iran-Contra Affair, etc.).

War changed in 1945 with the use of the atomic bomb. Once we used it, other countries felt they needed one (or more) to keep up. The British, the French, the Soviets, etc. all developed and tested nuclear weapons. Korea was fought to keep the Russians and Chinese out of the war and ended in a stalemate after MacArthur stormed into China. Vietnam was fought to keep the Soviets and Chinese out of Southeast Asia after Vietnam fell from the French at the Battle of Bien Dien Phu. Public support for the war waned, soldier morale fell, and the troops were poorly trained and equipped. We fought to keep the Vietnam War from escalating into World War III and a nuclear holocaust. The Gulf War is the only modern war that was even remotely the same type of war as the ones before 1945, and we annihilated the Iraqi Army.

The wars of the last 50 years have just proven one thing: that the United States sucks at nation building.

I don't know if you're naive, ignorant, or just a troll, but your rhetoric is the definition of fear mongering. If this is what the conservative base really thinks, no wonder they lost this election. Our world is more than just "you are either with us or against us". It is this rhetoric and this kind of "groupthink" that will destroy this country and form a 1984-like society. This kind of thought, contrary to so many on this board, is a cornerstone of fascism. It is the same ideologies that flooded Western Europe (specifically Germany, Italy, and Spain) after World War I: strident nationalism and suspicion and hatred of foreigners and "other" people. I'm not calling anyone a Hitler, a Mussolini, or a Franco, but we have to be careful in how we view the world and ourselves to prevent ourselves from repeating history.

perunapower Wrote:

Tripster Wrote:Only '2' Choices on this POP Quiz .... so it ain't hard and there are no Trick Questions.
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Wrong. There are more than two choices here. The world is not black and white; there are a multitude of gray areas. We cannot afford to be the police of the world. Even if we could afford it, we have been doing a pretty sucky job at it by supporting vicious dictators when it serves our national interest and not the interest of those who the dictator rules over (i.e. Taliban in Afghanistan, Hussein in Iran-Iraq War, Musharraf in Pakistan, Iran-Contra Affair, etc.).

War changed in 1945 with the use of the atomic bomb. Once we used it, other countries felt they needed one (or more) to keep up. The British, the French, the Soviets, etc. all developed and tested nuclear weapons. Korea was fought to keep the Russians and Chinese out of the war and ended in a stalemate after MacArthur stormed into China. Vietnam was fought to keep the Soviets and Chinese out of Southeast Asia after Vietnam fell from the French at the Battle of Bien Dien Phu. Public support for the war waned, soldier morale fell, and the troops were poorly trained and equipped. We fought to keep the Vietnam War from escalating into World War III and a nuclear holocaust. The Gulf War is the only modern war that was even remotely the same type of war as the ones before 1945, and we annihilated the Iraqi Army.

The wars of the last 50 years have just proven one thing: that the United States sucks at nation building.

I don't know if you're naive, ignorant, or just a troll, but your rhetoric is the definition of fear mongering. If this is what the conservative base really thinks, no wonder they lost this election. Our world is more than just "you are either with us or against us". It is this rhetoric and this kind of "groupthink" that will destroy this country and form a 1984-like society. This kind of thought, contrary to so many on this board, is a cornerstone of fascism. It is the same ideologies that flooded Western Europe (specifically Germany, Italy, and Spain) after World War I: strident nationalism and suspicion and hatred of foreigners and "other" people. I'm not calling anyone a Hitler, a Mussolini, or a Franco, but we have to be careful in how we view the world and ourselves to prevent ourselves from repeating history.

You are correct...We suck at nation building. Almost every move we make seems to come back to haunt us later. I don't advocate either isolationism or policing the world. Every situation is different and calls for different strategies. I do advocate...caution..being mindful of the future consequences of our actions. Can we please start learning from our past mistakes?

GGniner Wrote:

Quote:MOSCOW – Russian President Dmitry Medvedev plans to travel this month to Cuba and Venezuela, which have increasing military and trade ties with Moscow.

The U.S. has objected to Russia's greater links with the two countries that have antagonistic relations with Washington.

Medvedev will visit Cuba on Nov. 27, the Kremlin press service said. He will also visit Brazil during the trip.

The Soviet Union was a stalwart supporter of Cuban leader Fidel Castro during the Cold War. Under Hugo Chavez, Venezuela has moved to buy millions of dollars in Russian weaponry and invited Russian energy giants to drill in the country's oil fields.

A Russian naval flotilla is on its way to the Caribbean to hold joint military exercises with Venezuelan forces.

Russia, Cuba, Venezuala......Iran/Syria, China...."Return of History and End of Dreams" or utopian fantasies rather.


So whats the play? Russia leads? Sarkozy the only hope to save Georgia and Ukraine(Oil Pipelines) from Putin's power grab? Another Cuban Missle crisis? the first was a disaster...

after Russia gives its head nod, what does Iran do? Or will Israel bomb the hell out of them first?


Is Obama a true beleiver or will he quickly do something to reverse the message of weakness to the world he has projected? Russia sees another JFK, Which is not a good thing per Soviet Archives

how about the current Bush stupidity of putting missle defense on Russias doorstep?

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/08/04/R...217874314/

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I had a long and really descriptive Reply all ready and I took a look at "Why I was Bothering" and I simply tossed it.

When you feel the Dull Rusty Knife against your Throat, you will understand all too clearly my point(s).

Stay just the way you are as Billy Joel sings it ..... for that is how the Islamist Love You.

Toodle-Loo ....
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RobertN Wrote:

GGniner Wrote:

Quote:MOSCOW – Russian President Dmitry Medvedev plans to travel this month to Cuba and Venezuela, which have increasing military and trade ties with Moscow.

The U.S. has objected to Russia's greater links with the two countries that have antagonistic relations with Washington.

Medvedev will visit Cuba on Nov. 27, the Kremlin press service said. He will also visit Brazil during the trip.

The Soviet Union was a stalwart supporter of Cuban leader Fidel Castro during the Cold War. Under Hugo Chavez, Venezuela has moved to buy millions of dollars in Russian weaponry and invited Russian energy giants to drill in the country's oil fields.

A Russian naval flotilla is on its way to the Caribbean to hold joint military exercises with Venezuelan forces.

Russia, Cuba, Venezuala......Iran/Syria, China...."Return of History and End of Dreams" or utopian fantasies rather.


So whats the play? Russia leads? Sarkozy the only hope to save Georgia and Ukraine(Oil Pipelines) from Putin's power grab? Another Cuban Missle crisis? the first was a disaster...

after Russia gives its head nod, what does Iran do? Or will Israel bomb the hell out of them first?


Is Obama a true beleiver or will he quickly do something to reverse the message of weakness to the world he has projected? Russia sees another JFK, Which is not a good thing per Soviet Archives

how about the current Bush stupidity of putting missle defense on Russias doorstep?

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/08/04/R...217874314/

Why do you care? Your islamo facist heros don't want to bomb Russia anyway.

Ninerfan1 Wrote:

RobertN Wrote:

GGniner Wrote:

Quote:MOSCOW – Russian President Dmitry Medvedev plans to travel this month to Cuba and Venezuela, which have increasing military and trade ties with Moscow.

The U.S. has objected to Russia's greater links with the two countries that have antagonistic relations with Washington.

Medvedev will visit Cuba on Nov. 27, the Kremlin press service said. He will also visit Brazil during the trip.

The Soviet Union was a stalwart supporter of Cuban leader Fidel Castro during the Cold War. Under Hugo Chavez, Venezuela has moved to buy millions of dollars in Russian weaponry and invited Russian energy giants to drill in the country's oil fields.

A Russian naval flotilla is on its way to the Caribbean to hold joint military exercises with Venezuelan forces.

Russia, Cuba, Venezuala......Iran/Syria, China...."Return of History and End of Dreams" or utopian fantasies rather.


So whats the play? Russia leads? Sarkozy the only hope to save Georgia and Ukraine(Oil Pipelines) from Putin's power grab? Another Cuban Missle crisis? the first was a disaster...

after Russia gives its head nod, what does Iran do? Or will Israel bomb the hell out of them first?


Is Obama a true beleiver or will he quickly do something to reverse the message of weakness to the world he has projected? Russia sees another JFK, Which is not a good thing per Soviet Archives

how about the current Bush stupidity of putting missle defense on Russias doorstep?

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/08/04/R...217874314/

Why do you care? Your islamo facist heros don't want to bomb Russia anyway.

I care because I don't want to die in a nuclear war because some *******(Bush) thinks it is a great idea to because for some reason he thinks Iran is going to strike the US with a "nucular" missle. Little does he know(and he knows VERY little) that they will use a suitcase bomb or put a bomb on a ship and NOT a missle. THe ONLY reason to have the system is to keep the evil communists at bay.

The Russians are over reacting to the missiles in Europe. It's just 10 (TEN) anti missile missiles. Not only can Russia easily overwhelm 10 missiles, we invited them to help out with it. Russia is simply going back to their old ways and Castro probably can't wait.

smn1256 Wrote:The Russians are over reacting to the missiles in Europe. It's just 10 (TEN) anti missile missiles. Not only can Russia easily overwhelm 10 missiles, we invited them to help out with it. Russia is simply going back to their old ways and Castro probably can't wait.

Would we over react if Russia put a defense system in Cuba?

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

smn1256 Wrote:The Russians are over reacting to the missiles in Europe. It's just 10 (TEN) anti missile missiles. Not only can Russia easily overwhelm 10 missiles, we invited them to help out with it. Russia is simply going back to their old ways and Castro probably can't wait.

Would we over react if Russia put a defense system in Cuba?

Only if we had plans to launch missiles at them. A defensive system is far different than a nuclear capable offensive system.

smn1256 Wrote:The Russians are over reacting to the missiles in Europe. It's just 10 (TEN) anti missile missiles. Not only can Russia easily overwhelm 10 missiles, we invited them to help out with it. Russia is simply going back to their old ways and Castro probably can't wait.

Either
1. We didn't think Russia would react by rearming Cuba (and possibly Venezuela), or
2. We thought that was a worthwhile tradeoff.

If anybody can explain the logic behind either of those, please do. I can't.

Seems to me that we'd be a lot better off to tell Europe to defend Europe and try to build better relations with both Cuba and Venezuela. We get a lot of oil from Venezuela and potentially a lot of sugar cane ethanol from Cuba. Given our energy needs, it makes more sense to me to take care of business closer to home.

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Owl 69/70/75 - - as crazy as it may seem coming from me, I have to agree that we long ago needed to try to reinitiate some semblance of a connection with Cuba, so by now, we would maybe have influenced Cuba back toward a more Western-esque Northern Hemisphere Country, that is not part of a Tyrannical Communistic State who could, at any moment, unload a swarm of Nuclear and other Ordinance on the United States Mainland.

It would appear that nearly 50 years of Embargo's and other Sanctions have not turned Cuba one inch from her original way of thinking.

Seems such a waste, but Castro has hated us all his life .... and we can see that Cuban's die by the thousands every year trying to get One Foot on United States Dry Land so they can have a new life not under oppression, murder, and pure Tyranny.

And for those that would challenge me that I am being hypocritical when I despise the Fundamentalist Islamist so Fervently, but can think that we could have some chance with Cuba .... I say this:

I don't think we have a chance with Ugo-WeGo Chap-Vez or most any Central American Tyrannical Government because .... they are on a Planet all their own and we don't speak the language .... there goal is to Overthrow us and Destroy us same as Russia and the Radical Islamist ... Old Ugo-WeGo is a Mental Nut Bag and there is no changing him short of a Divine Miracle (DARN !!!!! There I go spouting all that Jesus stuff again !!!!!)

Oh Heck RobertN .... Cuba is basically Catholic ... dad-gumm-it !!!!

That makes them unreasonable crazies according to RobertN and crew ... maybe more Level Headed Thinkers like Osama bin Laden could come and talk to Castro or Ugo-WeGo on our Countries Behalf !!!!!!

So just Forget my post Owl ...
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Tripster Wrote:.

To all who have posted, I will try to do you justice in a single Reply.

It is not being able to afford another war, war is upon us whether we realize it, want it, or not ....

Take me for a good American Example .... I am sitting in front of a $3000 dollar computer on High Speed Internet and to my Right is a $5000 dollar Computer with a 22" HD Monitor and the Machine is packed with all the latest goodies and a Super Surround Sound System for the Very Best Audio ....

When I get bored with playing with $8000 dollars worth of Computers and I won't even go into the worth of my Software and Games .... I go into my Bed Room and Turn on my "62 Inch Wide Screen DLP HD 1080p Stereo Television with Super Surround Sound hooked to it and watch Movie Theater like TV and 500 Channels".

If I get bored with that, I will go out and shoot some targets and such.

Just a couple of things Trip does to pass the time ....

NOW ..... What are the Radical Fundamentalist Islamist doing ... gathering Together his People and Resources, he is Practicing His Religion, Learning How to be a Good Muslim by killing ALL Non-Muslim and Muslims that Do Not Adhere to Strict Sharia Law. He is out in the Boonies Training Him Self and his Children to be Exceptional Warriors as we have Witnessed since the Soviets got their Azz's Stomped in the 80's trying to take down these Little Hut Dwelling Poppy Farmers.

He is not Playing when he Trains to Kill or Die or when Practices Islam and now that Russia and Ugo-WeGo Chap-vez are setting us up with a New Russian Super Power Base in our own Southern Hemisphere, we are starting to feel the tingle of the Sharpie Drawing the Targets on our Backs.

But we just keep on Microwaving and Interneting away growing Fat, Weak, Divided, Secular, Apologetic to people that will Cut Your Childs Head Off on Live TV, Complacent in Our Own BullShyte Self Deception of being Indestructible and that ALL the World is Afraid of Us .... we keep electing Blind, Deaf, and Ignorant Fools into Office who Play Footsie with these Radicals while the Radicals are counting Our Toes to make sure we have all '10' they can Painfully Saw Each Off, One-at-a-Time With a Rusty, Dull Knife Blade.

We are being led into a Sleep that even if we wake from, it will be too late to do anything about it and it almost is at that level now if we don't stop it - - stopping the WAR, that is, that has Been Declared on us for Decades and is being Prosecuted Upon Us as I write this.

AND NO NO NO ..... America is not at Fault for 9/11 or any other Terror Attacks ..... this is Tantamount to saying that the more we Shoot, Blow Up, Destroy Their Ability to Bring it Too Us, the Less Secure we are and that we all Should Adopt a Radical Fundamentalist Islamist Today and be his Big Brother and Send Him Flowers, Candy, & Hallmark Gift Cards with little Crayola Drawings on them so He Will Love Us and Not Harm Us .... he Already Has Flowers on His Opium Poppies ..... your Flowers don't add up to His.

He does not want Peace or Love or Flowers and He surely Does Not Want to 'Tune In, Turn On, and Drop Out' .... he is willing to Send His Children to Suicide Bomb Our Children at a Day Care Center and Praises Allah when it Blows Up As Planned.

WE ARE AT WAR ..... it is not about Taxing for a War to Come or Preparing for a War to Come, THE WAR IS HERE and NOW and IS NOT GOING TO STOP.

And as far as the actions we need to take ..... Turn the Tables and use An Eye for an Eye Philosophy .... you Cut an Innocents Head Off on Live TV, WE Cut a Radical Islamist Head Off on Live TV, you Blow up one of Our Schools, we Blow Up one of your Schools, you Take Down Buildings and Kill Innocent People Inside, We Take Down Your Buildings and Kill Innocent People Inside, you Out Law Christian Churches, Buddhist Temples, Jewish Synagogues, and all other Religions from your Countries Upon Pain-of-Death, then We Outlaw Islam, PERIOD, from within the United States under Pain-of-Death.

We owe the World and these People Nothing !!!!! We have paid our dues with American Soldiers Blood Time after Sickening Time, so we don't Need To Back Up to the Door to Enter Inside, We Earned it Long Long ago with all those Head Stones at Arlington Cemetery and All The Other Military Cemeteries around the WORLD as Stone Cold Proof.

The War has Started Gentlemen ..... taxing me for WHAT .... there is NONE LEFT TO TAX because we need Tax Money for Grants on Studying the Mating Habits of the Goonie Left Right Gargle Fly at the Cost of $100,000,000.00 Dollars a Year - - - or better yet .... all the so-called "Art Foundations" we support with $billions upon billions$ of Dollars so they can Display a Christ on a Crucifix in a Vat of Urine or Feces or Fund a Stage Play where the Actors are Gay HIV/AIDs Suffers who Cut Them Selves before going on stage so they are actually really bleeding and they Proceed to Fly, Peter Pan Style, out over the Audience slinging Blood Every Where .... I really enjoyed Funding that One with my Paycheck.

I could go on and on, but what is the use ..... as long as the United States Government tries to Calm Its Citizens with Lies about how intense and dire this Situation Truly is and how close it is to being inside U.S. Streets as in TODAY, so that we will stay Fat, Happy, Vacation Taking, Couch Potato's who will be So Surprised when We are Really Slammed into the Ground by Russia with her New Wealth and all the Radical Islamist that hate the Russians as much as they Hate Us, but the Russians Pay Better, that we will look up from our 62 Inch Super High Def TV's and go, DUUUHHHH, WHAT ????? as the knife slices across the throat !!!!!!!

We are a Foolish Lot that take Way Too Much for Granted and that is going to Get Us Killed or basically decimated real soon like.

Heard some of this before haven't you ??? From bin Laden and his Ilk .... you ignore him or laugh him off as you watch some ones Head Being Sawed Off right in front of you on TV ..... but you will hold me in Disdain and be Insulted that I call for an "Eye-for-an-Eye".

bin Laden Drops '2' New York Monumental Skyscrapers and kills thousands and he hardly gets a wince these days - - contrast that with me saying, let's lose the Nice Guy Routine and Go Postal on these Murderers and I will be heckled into the ground.

Well, HECKLE AWAY ..... just remember to Heckle all the Radical Islamist when they are in town and see just How SWEET and TOLERANT Islam truly is.
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Do you really think we give a crap how many computers and televisions you have and how much they cost? I assume you have a big SUV too. Maybe you should look at your life and see if these material things are really making you happy or are they just a symptom of something else? As I read on, it appears you have a problem with rage. I think you are right, we are at war. It is a religous war. Christians and Jews against the Muslims. This is why I want the religous right republicans out of power. They are dragging us into the abyss in an attempt to make the biblical prophesies literally come true. I do not want any part of that. I want to live my life in peace. I would like to have my kids(if I ever have any) to live in a peaceful world without people like you pushing war and death because you don't like someone who doesn't share you religous views. You are well past hating the fanatical factions of a religion to hating an entire religion. I feel very sorry that you think this way. I hope there can be someone to help you get over this rage and hatred before it physically breaks you down. Relax a bit. Take a deep breath and enjoy life. See new places. Meet new people. Maybe this will help with the hate you feel.

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Man ROBERT !!!!!

Why do you need to be Spoon Fed Every Fact so you can understand simple logic.

I wasn't bragging about all the Toys I OWN !!!!!!!

I was CONTRASTING what the Standard American Old Joe Couch Potato's usual routine is as Opposed to what the Standard Sharia Fanatical Islamist Routine is.

It is like we used to say about the little Black Pajama Wearing Ak47 packing Viet Cong ..... while we "Be-Boop Back on the Block and Cruise Around Town in our Super Cool Cars, Charlie is living in the Bush, eating unseasoned rice, bugs, snakes, frogs and other puke fest creatures and learning how to kill, while we Americans pat our selves on the back for being so Damm Beautiful".

You get my point ???? ..... Old Joe Taliban is out every day, observing with great reverence, his Love and Allegiance to His God and is out Learning How to Be a Warrior that you freggin Don't Want to have to Fight and is Learning to Hate EVERYTHING NON-Sharia Islam, with such a Hatred, that You RoberN, can not begin to fathom it's bottomless depth, and Old Joe Taliban is Teaching the SAME THINGS TO HIS CHILDREN.

While we sit all snug & smug in our wonderful homes all in a row, Old Joe Taliban is sleeping on the ground and Training and Training and Training to Kill you RobertN and you can not Stop Him, or Reason With Him, or Beg Him, or Make Him Feel Compassion For You, or Feel Remorse for Hurting and Killing You RobertN, and like the Terminator, HE ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP UNTIL HE IS DESTROYED.

It ain't my War to be the Warmonger ..... it is Old Joe Taliban's War and he means to SEE IT TO THE END. I am simply in it because that is what I have been Trained to do my self.

It has nothing to do with big screen TV's or high priced computers in the way you have processed it RobertN .... it was a Comparison to the Undisputable Fact that While we Sit on our Azz's and get Weaker, Old Joe Taliban is humpin' the boonies getting super strong and making him self one Hell of a Warrior.

Stop making me Dumb my Post Down, PLEASE !!!!!!
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Quote:Do you really think we give a crap how many computers and televisions you have and how much they cost? I assume you have a big SUV too. Maybe you should look at your life and see if these material things are really making you happy or are they just a symptom of something else? As I read on, it appears you have a problem with rage. I think you are right, we are at war. It is a religous war. Christians and Jews against the Muslims. This is why I want the religous right republicans out of power. They are dragging us into the abyss in an attempt to make the biblical prophesies literally come true. I do not want any part of that. I want to live my life in peace. I would like to have my kids(if I ever have any) to live in a peaceful world without people like you pushing war and death because you don't like someone who doesn't share you religous views. You are well past hating the fanatical factions of a religion to hating an entire religion. I feel very sorry that you think this way. I hope there can be someone to help you get over this rage and hatred before it physically breaks you down. Relax a bit. Take a deep breath and enjoy life. See new places. Meet new people. Maybe this will help with the hate you feel.

tell me you didn't just say that. Most republicans' views on this stuff have nothing to do with religion so stop generalizing. I'm not a christian, yet i think we should be ready to be forceful if the moment should come. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION! most of us could care less what religion other people subscribe to.

I don't care what religion someone is. They can be muslim, hindu, christian, w/e, as long as they aren't trying to kill me for no reason.

Somehow the media has brainwashed people into thinking all conservatives are on a holy war that also involves oil. How gullible are you?

smn1256 Wrote:

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

smn1256 Wrote:The Russians are over reacting to the missiles in Europe. It's just 10 (TEN) anti missile missiles. Not only can Russia easily overwhelm 10 missiles, we invited them to help out with it. Russia is simply going back to their old ways and Castro probably can't wait.

Would we over react if Russia put a defense system in Cuba?

Only if we had plans to launch missiles at them. A defensive system is far different than a nuclear capable offensive system.

So a missile defense system 90 miles off our coast would pose not threat to security? I almost wish they would try it. The resulting hypocrisy of US policy would be almost a sure bet.

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To be just out-and-out forward regarding Close to Home Threats, Cuba (or Cuber to not exclude Ted Kennedy), at the Southeastern end, has the Sierra Maestra, a range of steep mountains whose highest point is the Pico Real del Turquino at 6,480 Feet.

Therefore, it has many many sweet spots to hide all sorts of mean & nasty forms of Missiles deep within those hills.

For me to sit here on the Gulf Coast and try to fool or cajole myself into believing that Cuber doesn't already have some sort of Missile System in Place within those Cavernous Mountains, would be naive at best, plain ignorant at worst.

They are a "Militaristic Dictatorship" that utilize the Military as Police - - just one aspect of their Character and Mindset.

We probably could detect Nukes with Satellites, because they could not feasibly house them deep enough to foil detection, so with that, I am hopeful they do not have those little monsters sitting there all hidden down in some bottomless pit.

On the other hand, they have had 50 Years to move missiles from Russia one-piece-at-a-time to Cuber and assemble them undetected. And now we have the Ugo-WeGo Central America Connection to worry with.

Heck, a simple Group of Cruise Type Missiles with HE in the Warhead could obliterate most of Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, & Louisiana with very little effort on the Cubern's Part and about 6 seconds of warning for Us before "WE GO BOOM".

Shoot man ... toss some Biologicals or Chemicals into the Warhead and you got your self a "Double-Doser" that is a winner any way you look at it.

How many people know that we fought Japanese Troops in Alaska, ON THE GROUND, during World War II ??? ( http://www.ww2f.com/war-pacific/26676-ca...ional.html )

So it is Good to Remember that Russia (Russier there Ted??) is only 90 Miles from the U.S. up there, just like Cuber is 90 Miles from us down here .... Central America is about 6 Minutes Away as the Missile Flies Across the Gulf of Mexico.

No need to "Hazard your $Billion$ Dollar Russian Submarines" any longer with that kind of Global Coverage at your disposal.

We honestly need to wake up and stop with our False Sense of Security or we play right into their plans - - these Countries that Hate us, STAY on Military Alert 24/7/365 - - we move up and down the "Threat Index" with the Wind so as not to 'Offend Protesters, Jane Fonda, or the Chixie Dicks' ..... regardless, the "Cold War" is in the Microwave on High as we speak.

But that is just me ....

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RobertN Wrote:

GGniner Wrote:

Quote:MOSCOW – Russian President Dmitry Medvedev plans to travel this month to Cuba and Venezuela, which have increasing military and trade ties with Moscow.

The U.S. has objected to Russia's greater links with the two countries that have antagonistic relations with Washington.

Medvedev will visit Cuba on Nov. 27, the Kremlin press service said. He will also visit Brazil during the trip.

The Soviet Union was a stalwart supporter of Cuban leader Fidel Castro during the Cold War. Under Hugo Chavez, Venezuela has moved to buy millions of dollars in Russian weaponry and invited Russian energy giants to drill in the country's oil fields.

A Russian naval flotilla is on its way to the Caribbean to hold joint military exercises with Venezuelan forces.

Russia, Cuba, Venezuala......Iran/Syria, China...."Return of History and End of Dreams" or utopian fantasies rather.


So whats the play? Russia leads? Sarkozy the only hope to save Georgia and Ukraine(Oil Pipelines) from Putin's power grab? Another Cuban Missle crisis? the first was a disaster...

after Russia gives its head nod, what does Iran do? Or will Israel bomb the hell out of them first?


Is Obama a true beleiver or will he quickly do something to reverse the message of weakness to the world he has projected? Russia sees another JFK, Which is not a good thing per Soviet Archives

how about the current Bush stupidity of putting missle defense on Russias doorstep?

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/08/04/R...217874314/

what part of the definition of "Defense" vs. "Offense" do you need explained exactly?

Tripster Wrote:.
Owl 69/70/75 - - as crazy as it may seem coming from me, I have to agree that we long ago needed to try to reinitiate some semblance of a connection with Cuba, so by now, we would maybe have influenced Cuba back toward a more Western-esque Northern Hemisphere Country, that is not part of a Tyrannical Communistic State who could, at any moment, unload a swarm of Nuclear and other Ordinance on the United States Mainland.

It would appear that nearly 50 years of Embargo's and other Sanctions have not turned Cuba one inch from her original way of thinking.

Seems such a waste, but Castro has hated us all his life .... and we can see that Cuban's die by the thousands every year trying to get One Foot on United States Dry Land so they can have a new life not under oppression, murder, and pure Tyranny.

And for those that would challenge me that I am being hypocritical when I despise the Fundamentalist Islamist so Fervently, but can think that we could have some chance with Cuba .... I say this:

I don't think we have a chance with Ugo-WeGo Chap-Vez or most any Central American Tyrannical Government because .... they are on a Planet all their own and we don't speak the language .... there goal is to Overthrow us and Destroy us same as Russia and the Radical Islamist ... Old Ugo-WeGo is a Mental Nut Bag and there is no changing him short of a Divine Miracle (DARN !!!!! There I go spouting all that Jesus stuff again !!!!!)

Oh Heck RobertN .... Cuba is basically Catholic ... dad-gumm-it !!!!

That makes them unreasonable crazies according to RobertN and crew ... maybe more Level Headed Thinkers like Osama bin Laden could come and talk to Castro or Ugo-WeGo on our Countries Behalf !!!!!!

So just Forget my post Owl ...
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see article linked above by me on why Castro is still in power(JFK/RFK struck a 'deal').

trading with nuts like Castro would do nothing to help the people of cuba, it would just strengthen their weakened regime and make the Govt. richer and more powerful for all the evil Castro does.

Castro kills political dissendents, drains their blood and sells it on the black market. For an idea of how evil the man/regime is. Go down and convince the Cubans in Little Havana to get on board with "better relations" with Castro

How many people know that we fought Japanese Troops in Alaska, ON THE GROUND, during World War II ??? ( http://www.ww2f.com/war-pacific/26676-ca...ional.html )

So it is Good to Remember that Russia (Russier there Ted??) is only 90 Miles from the U.S. up there, just like Cuber is 90 Miles from us down here ....
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That's okay, Palin's keepin' an eye on the goshdarn Russians for us!