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Fo Shizzle Wrote:NONE...just a clarification....Lots of folks equate Anarchy to bomb throwing wackos....Absence of govt. does not mean violence.

Yes it does, and I have history on my side on this issue. People get together and create a government to promote civility among the populace. Without it, I do believe chaos is the general benefactor. Pretty chaotic in the "Wild West" without government, wasn't it? It's why town governments were formed. We're not Lions. We're not wolves. The weakest among us deserve to be protected.

Yes, but at one point a study of history would have shown that only a monarch could rule, and that changed slowly over time.
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I doubt the bailout is going to happen.... No agreemen so far tonight.

You know what, let these Wall Street Investment Houses go into Chapter 11.

We have these Bankruptcy Courts, we might as well use them.
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WMD Owl Wrote:I doubt the bailout is going to happen.... No agreemen so far tonight.

You know what, let these Wall Street Investment Houses go into Chapter 11.

We have these Bankruptcy Courts, we might as well use them.

:iagree:

I think it would be healthy long term to just let the chips fall where they may.
09-25-2008 10:41 PM
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JxGx78 Wrote:Yes, but at one point a study of history would have shown that only a monarch could rule, and that changed slowly over time.

....but there was always a leader, no? How would a family of 5 be run if ALL had a vote, to include the 7, 9, and 11 year old?
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Fo Shizzle Wrote:NONE...just a clarification....Lots of folks equate Anarchy to bomb throwing wackos....Absence of govt. does not mean violence.

Yes it does, and I have history on my side on this issue. People get together and create a government to promote civility among the populace. Without it, I do believe chaos is the general benefactor. Pretty chaotic in the "Wild West" without government, wasn't it? It's why town governments were formed. We're not Lions. We're not wolves. The weakest among us deserve to be protected.

This government that folks worship has done a fine job in protecting the weakest of us(born and unborn)..Hell...Its not even under any obligation to protect anyone. 03-lmfao

Funny how governments are revered even though they have been responsible for the deaths of untold millions of people. Probably a tossup btw govts. and religion on the mass slaughter of the innocent scale.05-stirthepot

Yep...History is on your side when it comes to the civility of our government. Im sure those native Americans that were slaughtered during the so called...Wild West would agree. Oh and we wont even talk about the black folks. I guess our government just likes us whities.04-cheers

I have no problem with rules set forth to protect private property. Since only I can own my body...that would include me also.
Absence of government would not mean absence of rules.
As Ive said before..I advocate a voluntary society based on private property rights and the principle of non aggression. Paradigm shift?...Oh Yeah.03-yes
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RE: Ron Paul responds to The President
Fo Shizzle Wrote:
Rebel Wrote:
Fo Shizzle Wrote:NONE...just a clarification....Lots of folks equate Anarchy to bomb throwing wackos....Absence of govt. does not mean violence.

Yes it does, and I have history on my side on this issue. People get together and create a government to promote civility among the populace. Without it, I do believe chaos is the general benefactor. Pretty chaotic in the "Wild West" without government, wasn't it? It's why town governments were formed. We're not Lions. We're not wolves. The weakest among us deserve to be protected.

This government that folks worship has done a fine job in protecting the weakest of us(born and unborn)..Hell...Its not even under any obligation to protect anyone. 03-lmfao

Funny how governments are revered even though they have been responsible for the deaths of untold millions of people. Probably a tossup btw govts. and religion on the mass slaughter of the innocent scale.05-stirthepot

Yep...History is on your side when it comes to the civility of our government. Im sure those native Americans that were slaughtered during the so called...Wild West would agree. Oh and we wont even talk about the black folks. I guess our government just likes us whities.04-cheers

I have no problem with rules set forth to protect private property. Since only I can own my body...that would include me also.
Absence of government would not mean absence of rules.
As Ive said before..I advocate a voluntary society based on private property rights and the principle of non aggression. Paradigm shift?...Oh Yeah.03-yes

Government is the "mirror of the society that establishes it". It exists only as long as its citizens permit it to rule and it rules by the culture of the people who set it up. When the people thought a king was necessary, we had different kinds of monarchy. When the people thought slavery was a good way to hold labor, we had slaves. When the people had no strong objection to lynching, lynching was allowed, even encouraged under various "vigilance committees".

When our Constitution was adopted (1788), the nation was made up of 90% farmers and those who worked on farms. 10% lived in the cities-20,000 in Philadelphia, the largest American city. The guns they owned were the same design as those in world armies-flintlock muskets and pistols. Our schools, our military, our banks, our industries and our currency were primarily local in structure and rules. There was no "standard time" as each town had its town square clock.

Over time, we allowed some functions to be "taken over" by state and / or national governments. Alexander Hamilton asked Congress to set up a Bank of the United States and place an excise tax on whisky which led to a revolt in PA. President Washington used local / state militias to put it down. Under John Marshall, its first dynamic Chief Justice (I think he was its 5th overall), the U.S. Supreme Court began to "carve out" its place and role as an equal branch of the government. When Marshall's Court supported the Cherokee Indians who had sued GA over land rights, President Jackson said,"Mr Marshall has ruled, now let him enforce his decision" so the Trail of Tears" became part of our history.

All of this is to point out that our government is "US" reflected in a mirror back to us. We may not like what we see, but a mirror can only show what we are and what values we support. No Congress and no President has ever been able to go where the nations influential people did not want it to go. If wealthy persons have taken over the lawmaking and law enforcement through lobbyists and / or bribery, it is because we, the people, were convinced it was for the best. As long as "the wheels don't come off", we would rather busy ourselves with entertaining things instead.
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BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:If wealthy persons have taken over the lawmaking and law enforcement through lobbyists and / or bribery, it is because we, the people, were convinced it was for the best. As long as "the wheels don't come off", we would rather busy ourselves with entertaining things instead.
Tken over? It's been the wealthy people making the rules from the start. We just used to have a better class of wealthy people.
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BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:
Fo Shizzle Wrote:
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Fo Shizzle Wrote:NONE...just a clarification....Lots of folks equate Anarchy to bomb throwing wackos....Absence of govt. does not mean violence.

Yes it does, and I have history on my side on this issue. People get together and create a government to promote civility among the populace. Without it, I do believe chaos is the general benefactor. Pretty chaotic in the "Wild West" without government, wasn't it? It's why town governments were formed. We're not Lions. We're not wolves. The weakest among us deserve to be protected.

This government that folks worship has done a fine job in protecting the weakest of us(born and unborn)..Hell...Its not even under any obligation to protect anyone. 03-lmfao

Funny how governments are revered even though they have been responsible for the deaths of untold millions of people. Probably a tossup btw govts. and religion on the mass slaughter of the innocent scale.05-stirthepot

Yep...History is on your side when it comes to the civility of our government. Im sure those native Americans that were slaughtered during the so called...Wild West would agree. Oh and we wont even talk about the black folks. I guess our government just likes us whities.04-cheers

I have no problem with rules set forth to protect private property. Since only I can own my body...that would include me also.
Absence of government would not mean absence of rules.
As Ive said before..I advocate a voluntary society based on private property rights and the principle of non aggression. Paradigm shift?...Oh Yeah.03-yes

Government is the "mirror of the society that establishes it". It exists only as long as its citizens permit it to rule and it rules by the culture of the people who set it up. When the people thought a king was necessary, we had different kinds of monarchy. When the people thought slavery was a good way to hold labor, we had slaves. When the people had no strong objection to lynching, lynching was allowed, even encouraged under various "vigilance committees".

When our Constitution was adopted (1788), the nation was made up of 90% farmers and those who worked on farms. 10% lived in the cities-20,000 in Philadelphia, the largest American city. The guns they owned were the same design as those in world armies-flintlock muskets and pistols. Our schools, our military, our banks, our industries and our currency were primarily local in structure and rules. There was no "standard time" as each town had its town square clock.

Over time, we allowed some functions to be "taken over" by state and / or national governments. Alexander Hamilton asked Congress to set up a Bank of the United States and place an excise tax on whisky which led to a revolt in PA. President Washington used local / state militias to put it down. Under John Marshall, its first dynamic Chief Justice (I think he was its 5th overall), the U.S. Supreme Court began to "carve out" its place and role as an equal branch of the government. When Marshall's Court supported the Cherokee Indians who had sued GA over land rights, President Jackson said,"Mr Marshall has ruled, now let him enforce his decision" so the Trail of Tears" became part of our history.

All of this is to point out that our government is "US" reflected in a mirror back to us. We may not like what we see, but a mirror can only show what we are and what values we support. No Congress and no President has ever been able to go where the nations influential people did not want it to go. If wealthy persons have taken over the lawmaking and law enforcement through lobbyists and / or bribery, it is because we, the people, were convinced it was for the best. As long as "the wheels don't come off", we would rather busy ourselves with entertaining things instead.

I agree...This mess we currently have has evolved over time. One thing that is has not changed from the beginning, is the inherent nature of all governments to increase "control" of the governed and thus reduce the liberties of the people over time. Our system was certainly the best attempt ever made at restraining it and look at what we have today....So..Where do we go now?

I say it time to evolve...not..revolve.03-idea
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The sad thing here is that the man with the most coherent message on the crisis is considered by everyone who had a hand in creating the crisis to be a crackpot.
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Grammar-Nazi Wrote:The sad thing here is that the man with the most coherent message on the crisis is considered by everyone who had a hand in creating the crisis to be a crackpot.

+1...Unfortunately the majority of Americans are really just not educated enough about economics to really understand what RP is saying. This message falls on death and ignorant ears.
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