Nice to see Mr. Catlett changing his tune about the BE.

I guess there’s no indication of the monetary benefit, be it a gate split, or fixed payout. Should be a good deal for USF on all fronts

There are so many NFL stadiums in the northeast, I wonder if some of the Northern BE teams can similarly benefit. For example: WVU vs. VT in DC, RU vs. PSU in East Rutherford, UConn vs. BC in Foxboro, etc… just examples…

Jose_Jalapeno_on_a_Stick Wrote:There are so many NFL stadiums in the northeast, I wonder if some of the Northern BE teams can similarly benefit. For example: WVU vs. VT in DC, RU vs. PSU in East Rutherford, UConn vs. BC in Foxboro, etc… just examples…

All of those would be excellent games and terrific showcases for the BE. Hopefully they will happen at some point.

firmbizzle Wrote:Honestly I don't understand why you play somebody in Jax when you have your own pro stadium, and Tampa has WAY more stuff to do in the fall than Jacksonville.

Easy...because its a huge payout and many times it takes the place of a road game far, far away...but a neutral site game in your own state and/or region...made into a huge event...can draw 30,000 plus of your own fans...about 28,000 more so than many travel on "normal" road trips.

Heck...not only does FSU have SEVEN home games this year, they basically get an 8th one for free as they are playing Colorado (who sold less than 4,000 tickets) in Jacksonville...which will be another HOME game for the Noles.

The Noles only have to leave the State of FLA 3 times this year.

Many reasons to play a neutral site game...as more and more big time programs might be more interested in a big pay-day neutral site game (some $$$$ approaching BOWL $$$$) just want to play 1 game deals vs 2 plus year home-home deals.

This way...teams don't have to give up a "home game" as a neutral site game normally takes the place of a past "road" game.

Cubanbull Wrote:Many teams like Tennessee or Alabama do not have the space nor the interest of a series with USF. But plating at the Gator Bowl would be a neutral site instead of an away game so it would serve like a Bowl game. They will get some money from TV and Gator Bowl. I remember our AD saying Atlanta was also a consideration for something like this.
In this case neither team is giving up a home game

Honestly I think Atlanta would be a much better venue than Jacksonville. Other than the Landing there is nothing to do there other than check out their terrible stripclubs. I know personally I lived there for 4 years. Go to the Dome and play some ball up there.

there no such thing as terrible strip club

templefootballfan Wrote:there no such thing as terrible strip club

These strippers have bullet wounds, heroin tracks and joe's crabshack.

mattsarz Wrote:

goodknightfl Wrote:Well they lost the ACC champ game and need something to replace it.. USF/??? would make sense. as for the gator bowl.. they got whipped on the big 12 deal they will be acc/BE. there also has been talk about the Jags leaving J'ville.. if that happens they need to lock up every game they can get their hands on.

Who would I consider to be realistic if it came to looking for a USF opponent:

Clemson
Virginia Tech
Georgia Tech
Most of the SEC, except for Vandy

FSU might be agreeable to a game in JAX, but USF already has the series with Miami (FL).

you might see that usf / um game there though if the $$$ was right. could be a good deal for both schools.

goodknightfl Wrote:

mattsarz Wrote:

goodknightfl Wrote:Well they lost the ACC champ game and need something to replace it.. USF/??? would make sense. as for the gator bowl.. they got whipped on the big 12 deal they will be acc/BE. there also has been talk about the Jags leaving J'ville.. if that happens they need to lock up every game they can get their hands on.

Who would I consider to be realistic if it came to looking for a USF opponent:

Clemson
Virginia Tech
Georgia Tech
Most of the SEC, except for Vandy

FSU might be agreeable to a game in JAX, but USF already has the series with Miami (FL).

you might see that usf / um game there though if the $$$ was right. could be a good deal for both schools.

Very, very doubtful.

Miami last traveled to Jacksonville (350 miles away) back in 2000...and could barely sell 1/3 of their Gator Bowl Tix allotment.

Cane fans don't travel that well...heck...Many Cane fans in South FL won't travel 10 miles to see their team play at home...let alone 350 miles iup I-95 in Jax by the Georgia border.

USF/Miami will remain a home-home series till this next contract is over....as Jacksonville is looking for an "out-of-state" team to help fill up tons of hotel rooms/restaurants, etc...which is how the CITY makes many of big games.

Having 2 in-state teams (one in Miami not known to travel that well) wouldn't be the preferred game for the city.

agredd UM-USF will remain a home-home because it will be good for both schools home sales. There is a god chance youll see that 5 year series extended if you see large crowds like expected and remains a TV game yearly

This sure looks like a great opportunity for USF (and an acknowledgement by Catlett that he needs to stay on the good side of the Big East). However, it seems to me that the Gator Bowl would need to open up the purse strings pretty wide to convince a school like Clemson that makes so much money on their home games to come play a game in Jacksonville. Besides, every team in the ACC as well as the eastern SEC already play games in Florida, so it's not entirely clear that Florida exposure will be a big enough lure to offset the loss of revenue. It's not clear that Notre Dame would be willing to do this unless it was as one of their "barnstorming" games, and then I don't think they'd go for the USF component (see Washington State in Texas, for example). Therefore, I would think that a payday Big XII, Big Ten or Pac Ten school would make more sense, like a Nebraska, for example. The Huskers don't play too often in Florida and would probably welcome the exposure there while bringing a truckload of fans...

USFFan

Well, how about ND? or a service academy. Heck, maybe georgia southern would work but the winner probably is flordia state...they gator bowl would need to pay out though.

animus Wrote:

Cubanbull Wrote:Many teams like Tennessee or Alabama do not have the space nor the interest of a series with USF. But plating at the Gator Bowl would be a neutral site instead of an away game so it would serve like a Bowl game. They will get some money from TV and Gator Bowl. I remember our AD saying Atlanta was also a consideration for something like this.
In this case neither team is giving up a home game

Honestly I think Atlanta would be a much better venue than Jacksonville. Other than the Landing there is nothing to do there other than check out their terrible stripclubs. I know personally I lived there for 4 years. Go to the Dome and play some ball up there.

Why would Atlanta & the Dome be interested in USF for a neutral site game?

For one it would give them a BCS school that would be wiling to do it. Tampa to Atlanta is NOT major travel and playing an ACC or SEC team which was what was being proposed would be attractive to Atlanta. USF would travel well there and has a large alumni base in Atlanta probably the largest outside of Florida.
USF-Tennessee in the Dome would sell out and be a TV game between two top 25 teams.

bluesox Wrote:Well, how about ND? or a service academy. Heck, maybe georgia southern would work but the winner probably is flordia state...they gator bowl would need to pay out though.

FSU has 0% desire to play USF or UCF... they would have to roll out a boatload of $$$ to get that game.. a Nc State, Ga tech, Clemson, Wake. S. carolina.. would be more likely.. and I doubt the last one.. most SEC schools sell tons of tix.. and it would be hard to get them to give up a home game.

nice to see all the ucf fans, jealous maybe?

and as mentioned before neither usf or the other team is giving up a home game to play a neutral site game. clemson could still play 7 home games 4 conference mandated away games and 1 neutral (which would net them a whole bunch of money). so i can seen this being a very attractive option for a lot of high profile teams, not just the wake forests of the world.

the main positive in this for usf (aside from the nice payday and easy road trip) is exposure. it gives us a guranteed espn tv game, a marquee ooc matchup, and allows us to tap into the jacksonville market where we're still a bit of an unknown (although that's starting to change after spending the past week there).

Correct neither team would give a home match. It makes perfect sense for any team that has to play an away game.
As stated in article USF would do this when it has 6 home games. So it will be 6 home 5 away and 1 neutral rather than the 6-6

It also works for many SEC teams that because of the large crowds they get at home are NOT interested in signing 1-1 deals.

usffan Wrote:This sure looks like a great opportunity for USF (and an acknowledgement by Catlett that he needs to stay on the good side of the Big East). However, it seems to me that the Gator Bowl would need to open up the purse strings pretty wide to convince a school like Clemson that makes so much money on their home games to come play a game in Jacksonville. Besides, every team in the ACC as well as the eastern SEC already play games in Florida, so it's not entirely clear that Florida exposure will be a big enough lure to offset the loss of revenue. It's not clear that Notre Dame would be willing to do this unless it was as one of their "barnstorming" games, and then I don't think they'd go for the USF component (see Washington State in Texas, for example). Therefore, I would think that a payday Big XII, Big Ten or Pac Ten school would make more sense, like a Nebraska, for example. The Huskers don't play too often in Florida and would probably welcome the exposure there while bringing a truckload of fans...

USFFan

There is a big difference in regards to exposure/chance to win when your team only gets about 6,000 visiting tix when your team travels to the Swamp maybe every other year....vs maybe receiving 35,000 tix to play a neutral site game in Jacksonville...a city where the SEC and ACC team rule in regards to recruiting (especially out-of-state but "close by" BCS teams).

Its highly doubtful many teams from the Pac-10 or Big 12 will be able to sell 35,000 (or even half that) for a "neutral site game in Jax" vs a local/regional BCS team.

As I mentioned yesterday...Clemson may not have to give up a home game to play a neutral site game in Jax...as teams might use a "road game slot" and put a neutral game slot in its place instead (a lot more $$$$$$$$, split crowd...probably a better chance at a "W").

goodknightfl Wrote:

bluesox Wrote:Well, how about ND? or a service academy. Heck, maybe georgia southern would work but the winner probably is flordia state...they gator bowl would need to pay out though.

FSU has 0% desire to play USF or UCF... they would have to roll out a boatload of $$$ to get that game.. a Nc State, Ga tech, Clemson, Wake. S. carolina.. would be more likely.. and I doubt the last one.. most SEC schools sell tons of tix.. and it would be hard to get them to give up a home game.

I know this is going to be taken the wrong way, but please don't lump USF and UCF together on that. Although they don't really want to play either, FSU would be more agreeable to play USF since we're in a BCS conf. Bowden stated at the recent coaches conf in Tampa, that a USF/FSU game "could happen". Although I agree it may not be likely, with a few more trips into the top 10 by USF, it could open some more previously shut doors. I agree with the other schools mentions, would like to see Clemson, USCar, GT, or ND.

BullsFanInTX Wrote:

goodknightfl Wrote:

bluesox Wrote:Well, how about ND? or a service academy. Heck, maybe georgia southern would work but the winner probably is flordia state...they gator bowl would need to pay out though.

FSU has 0% desire to play USF or UCF... they would have to roll out a boatload of $$$ to get that game.. a Nc State, Ga tech, Clemson, Wake. S. carolina.. would be more likely.. and I doubt the last one.. most SEC schools sell tons of tix.. and it would be hard to get them to give up a home game.

I know this is going to be taken the wrong way, but please don't lump USF and UCF together on that. Although they don't really want to play either, FSU would be more agreeable to play USF since we're in a BCS conf. Bowden stated at the recent coaches conf in Tampa, that a USF/FSU game "could happen". Although I agree it may not be likely, with a few more trips into the top 10 by USF, it could open some more previously shut doors. I agree with the other schools mentions, would like to see Clemson, USCar, GT, or ND.

actually i look at it differently, based on talent and on field performance, i think fsu would be much more likely to play ucf. but obviously only in a 2 for 1, like miami did, or a paycheck game. the usf game will never happen as long as bowden is there he's too afraid of losing.