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Pretty good article on Big East lacrosse
New ECAC, Big East conferences change the lacrosse landscape

Within the last two months, the Big East started a lacrosse conference and the East Coast Athletic Conference expanded into the Midwest where the Great Western Lacrosse League once stood. The GWLL is dust in the winds of change. Before we get to my take on the big changes to the college lacrosse configuration, here’s how the new conferences will look in 2010.

The seven schools that will participate in the newly formed Big East Conference are Georgetown, Notre Dame, Providence, Rutgers, St. John’s, Syracuse and Villanova. The teams will play each other once in the regular season. The conference hopes to receive an automatic bid to the 16-team NCAA tournament field.

The new ECAC Lacrosse League will include former GWLL members Air Force, Bellarmine, Denver, Ohio State and Quinnipiac and existing ECAC schools Fairfield, Hobart and Loyola. The conference already has an automatic bid.

The new Big East and ECAC are two strong lacrosse conferences that deserve an automatic bid and will likely place at-large teams in the tournament as well. I have no criticism of the new alignments and in the case of the Big East, all is finally right.

Anyone who saw the news in June about the formation of the new Big East conference must have noted that the conference raided the ECAC for its members. Georgetown, Rutgers and St. John’s were gone in a flash. That left the ECAC scrambling for new teams to keep the conference going and it left the Great Western Lacrosse League without its marquis team, Notre Dame.

Now the Big East can’t be blamed for going after the lacrosse teams from schools that are established as traditional conference teams in most sports. It can be blamed for taking so damn long to do it. Some blame the Atlantic Coast Conference for starting a conference, prematurely, with only four teams. But those teams have an identity that matches the other teams at their schools and that the fans can relate to. And while they don’t have enough teams for an automatic bid, they respect the sport and claim their teams. Players in the ACC are proud of it and the ACC is proud of its lacrosse.

The Big East’s argument might be that it was appropriate to wait for the proper number of playing members. Actually, the proper number of willing members is important too. Ten-time NCAA champion Syracuse brings unequaled clout and immediate standing to the conference, and I would be surprised if they weren't compensated in some way. Maybe I’m cynical but that’s how I perceive Syracuse athletics -- money first, kids next. It’s not the lacrosse people, who are some of my favorite people in the world. It’s the athletic department, which are not lacrosse people.

The ECAC has been a make-shift conference of ever-changing definition for years. This new configuration may last a few years but the conference is still a temporary entity as long as they rely on eventual Big Ten teams for their numbers. The Big Ten, like the Big East, will eventually have enough teams and form its own lacrosse conference, leaving the ECAC again with some recruiting to do. By then, more colleges may play and that shift of Big Ten teams may leave a perfect scenario for others to participate in the conference system, like in this case. It really is perfect for now.

The GWLL was perhaps the easiest conference ever to raid. They had an automatic bid to the tournament and only lost one team – Notre Dame. They had University of Detroit-Mercy coming in for 2009 and would have been just fine, as far as I can see. They would have had Air Force, Bellarmine, Denver, Ohio State, Quinnipiac and Detroit. But the GWLL was a "made-up conference," born from necessity, with no big financial structure and no staff that would fight for its very existence. The conference was just extra work for the teams and schools in it. It was a bloodless battle. It’s like they outsourced to the ECAC, as mercenary a conference as there ever was.

The only “victim” I see from all of this shifting is Detroit, which had a terrific path ahead of it with a GWLL schedule as a brand new college team. Now they will play one season of all away games, including GWLL teams, and then we’ll see. I use the word victim lightly. These guys will be fine and knew what was coming like all of us did. They embraced it just the same in Detroit. They even hosted the 2008 GWLL Tournament, seen exclusively on E-Lacrosse.

The GWLL was a misnamed conference anyway with the Rockies as its western barrier. It’s like in U.S. history when the “western frontier” was Ohio, then Missouri, and so on. One day we may get a "Great Western Lacrosse League" revival. Hopefully the teams assembling that conference will be real western teams on the Pacific Coast. History will repeat itself, as this will likely be a precursor to the Pac 10 and Big West lacrosse conferences, but it will not be soon. And by then, after so many iterations, the ECAC may be that far west, still seeking teams.

One more thing: Nobody ever thinks, when something ends, that it had a great purpose or that it was as necessary as it really was. But for those who had the vision of the GWLL and made it happen, all of lacrosse owes you a huge debt. The growth of our game was in your hands for a few years there and you carried it well. Three GWLL teams -- Denver, Ohio State and Notre Dame -- made the tournament field last year as a symbol of that success and growth. The league will be forgotten soon, but hopefully not its great and historic accomplishments.
07-29-2008 05:37 PM
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RE: Pretty good article on Big East lacrosse
You should site the source...it came from a Baltimore paper blog several weeks ago and the article is written by a typical Baltimore/Johns Hopkins Lax writer (who hates Syracuse as we are their nemesis)
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/l...ces_1.html


Quote:Maybe I’m cynical but that’s how I perceive Syracuse athletics -- money first, kids next. It’s not the lacrosse people, who are some of my favorite people in the world. It’s the athletic department, which are not lacrosse people.

What the hell type of crap is that? JHU doesn't give out scholies in FB and BB so what would they know? Syracuse gives the Big East Lax League instant credibility and is the only FB school that is private so money is always a concern.
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Yeah, that shot at Syracuse was BS. I'd love to see Cincinnati start up a Lacrosse program. We need to build our Olympic sports. That's one of the reason I would love to see someone like ECU invited. Invite ECU in everything but basketball (for now) would help football and would be a major shot in the arm for our baseball conference. It would give us major national credibility, having a Top 25 power like ECU in it.
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CatsClaw Wrote:Yeah, that shot at Syracuse was BS. I'd love to see Cincinnati start up a Lacrosse program. We need to build our Olympic sports. That's one of the reason I would love to see someone like ECU invited. Invite ECU in everything but basketball (for now) would help football and would be a major shot in the arm for our baseball conference. It would give us major national credibility, having a Top 25 power like ECU in it.

Good call on ECU adding a shot in the arm to baseball....and I still think with BCS status ECU could really turn into a nice program and be "the" football program in NC....

NOT trying to start another expansion thread...
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RE: Pretty good article on Big East lacrosse
lol, exactly B#1. We're not trying to add expansion threads, just looking at ways to improve things in the league outside of football and basketball, mainly out Olympic sports. Of course ECU could help us in football AND Olympic sports. The stronger our Olympic sports the stronger the conference. Baseball is getting better, adding a national name would be a major boost. Forming a Lacrosse league is just awesome. Besides, if we can continue to build our Olympic sports like other conferences do, like the Big Ten, then we increase our chances of forming our own Big East network. Remember, the Big Ten's network isn't all football and basketball. that would never survive. The Big Ten network has a ton of other sports.
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I expect your women to make steady improvement and get closer to the middle...really interested in seeing UL come in. They had a very good indy record last year--I expect they'll be a solid team next year.
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Bearcats#1 Wrote:
CatsClaw Wrote:Yeah, that shot at Syracuse was BS. I'd love to see Cincinnati start up a Lacrosse program. We need to build our Olympic sports. That's one of the reason I would love to see someone like ECU invited. Invite ECU in everything but basketball (for now) would help football and would be a major shot in the arm for our baseball conference. It would give us major national credibility, having a Top 25 power like ECU in it.

Good call on ECU adding a shot in the arm to baseball....and I still think with BCS status ECU could really turn into a nice program and be "the" football program in NC....

NOT trying to start another expansion thread...

See, now that's why I've taken back a lot of things I've said about Cincinnati. 04-cheers
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