What would Navy and Army gain from playing 4 BE teams a year? I guarantee you that if they agree to it then they will get access to BE bowl games and you think people here get pissed when Notre Dame gets a bowl over a BE team, wait till you see a 7-5 Navy team that went 1-3 in their BE games get chosen over a 8-4 BE team that went 4-3 in league.

Cubanbull Wrote:What would Navy and Army gain from playing 4 BE teams a year? I guarantee you that if they agree to it then they will get access to BE bowl games and you think people here get pissed when Notre Dame gets a bowl over a BE team, wait till you see a 7-5 Navy team that went 1-3 in their BE games get chosen over a 8-4 BE team that went 4-3 in league.

Havent even though of that at all.

gdayre Wrote:

Cubanbull Wrote:What would Navy and Army gain from playing 4 BE teams a year? I guarantee you that if they agree to it then they will get access to BE bowl games and you think people here get pissed when Notre Dame gets a bowl over a BE team, wait till you see a 7-5 Navy team that went 1-3 in their BE games get chosen over a 8-4 BE team that went 4-3 in league.

Havent even though of that at all.

How could they bump a BE member--they won't be playing a full schedule...they aren't Notre Dame.

Bottomline: If Army or Navy can't go 1-3 in the Big East and 7-5 overall they don't deserve a bowl game. I'm sick of seeing low Div 1A schools go 7-5 beating 7 nobodies and getting blasted in 4 or 5 money games and somehow think their team is good when they win the Gump Bowl in Greenbow, Alabama

I prefer a 9th full time member but if that isn't going to happen Army/Navy is a good stop gap.

TexanMark Wrote:

gdayre Wrote:

Cubanbull Wrote:What would Navy and Army gain from playing 4 BE teams a year? I guarantee you that if they agree to it then they will get access to BE bowl games and you think people here get pissed when Notre Dame gets a bowl over a BE team, wait till you see a 7-5 Navy team that went 1-3 in their BE games get chosen over a 8-4 BE team that went 4-3 in league.

Havent even though of that at all.

How could they bump a BE member--they won't be playing a full schedule...they aren't Notre Dame.

Bottomline: If Army or Navy can't go 1-3 in the Big East and 7-5 overall they don't deserve a bowl game. I'm sick of seeing low Div 1A schools go 7-5 beating 7 nobodies and getting blasted in 4 or 5 money games and somehow think their team is good when they win the Gump Bowl in Greenbow, Alabama

I prefer a 9th full time member but if that isn't going to happen Army/Navy is a good stop gap.

This is not a done deal either. What are the incentives that would make them agree to this? So far, I have not seen one thing you can offer that they dont have already. By the way, Navy signed a deal with CBSSports according to someone on the Memphis board.

How could they bump a BE team? Easily, they will not be signing up to play 4 BE games unless they get something out of it. The only thing that it could be access to BE bowls. Those bowls like Meineke and the others would choose Navy or Army in a heart beat because theyll bring more fans. Have you forgotten when Meineke blew the BE one year for Navy?
I guarantee you that if their choices are a 8-4 Cincy,UConn,Pitt,USF, Syracuse or a 7-5 Navy. They would pick Navy

the thinking would be at least one additional bowl game would want to then be assoc. with the BE providing that spot.[/align]

Cubanbull Wrote:What would Navy and Army gain from playing 4 BE teams a year? I guarantee you that if they agree to it then they will get access to BE bowl games and you think people here get pissed when Notre Dame gets a bowl over a BE team, wait till you see a 7-5 Navy team that went 1-3 in their BE games get chosen over a 8-4 BE team that went 4-3 in league.

that would suck

gdayre Wrote:By the way, Navy signed a deal with CBSSports according to someone on the Memphis board.

Its the same deal they have the past couple years. Its with CBS College Sports and expires after the 2009 season.

Jose_Jalapeno_on_a_Stick Wrote:What if Army and Navy say no yet again? Do we keep asking them?

You all realize how small-time this league looks when it continues to come off as begging Army/Navy for membership?

Best comment by far in this thread.

Cubanbull Wrote:What would Navy and Army gain from playing 4 BE teams a year? I guarantee you that if they agree to it then they will get access to BE bowl games and you think people here get pissed when Notre Dame gets a bowl over a BE team, wait till you see a 7-5 Navy team that went 1-3 in their BE games get chosen over a 8-4 BE team that went 4-3 in league.

Very good pt.

No doubt that they would want in "return" for helping out the Big East...ACCESS to Big East Bowls.

The above scenario (where NAVY was a more attractive bowl team than say the Big East Team) could easily happen.

I say the overall chances that the Big East signs an "agreement" with Army & Navy for 4 games per year each is less than 5%.

they may take a spot if eligible, but having them would no doubt improve the BE historically poor bowl options. Definately in number and possibly in quality.

KnightLight Wrote:

Jose_Jalapeno_on_a_Stick Wrote:What if Army and Navy say no yet again? Do we keep asking them?

You all realize how small-time this league looks when it continues to come off as begging Army/Navy for membership?

Best comment by far in this thread.

How do we know they said "NO" before. Maybe talks never progressed to that point of having to make a decision before. I don't remember seeing any hard articles the the BE definitely offered and was told no by Navy. The BE has never "begged" Army/Navy, imo. Just because you talk to someone to see if it is possible does not mean you "begged".

Cubanbull Wrote:How could they bump a BE team? Easily, they will not be signing up to play 4 BE games unless they get something out of it. The only thing that it could be access to BE bowls. Those bowls like Meineke and the others would choose Navy or Army in a heart beat because theyll bring more fans. Have you forgotten when Meineke blew the BE one year for Navy?
I guarantee you that if their choices are a 8-4 Cincy,UConn,Pitt,USF, Syracuse or a 7-5 Navy. They would pick Navy

I agree that they won't join unless they have access to all of our bowls. I would actually be ok with this as long as there is a two-win rule in place (Service academy can't jump a team in the bowl line-up that has two or more wins than them), AND if we dropped Notre Dame from all Big East bowls. I would be much more willing to share bowls with two teams that are playing 4 games a year home and home than with a team that is playing 3 games a year and wont even give most Big East teams a home game. It's not ideal, but it's better than what we have. It also might be enough to help us a secure a good #4 bowl.

KnightLight Wrote:

Cubanbull Wrote:What would Navy and Army gain from playing 4 BE teams a year? I guarantee you that if they agree to it then they will get access to BE bowl games and you think people here get pissed when Notre Dame gets a bowl over a BE team, wait till you see a 7-5 Navy team that went 1-3 in their BE games get chosen over a 8-4 BE team that went 4-3 in league.

Very good pt.

No doubt that they would want in "return" for helping out the Big East...ACCESS to Big East Bowls.

The above scenario (where NAVY was a more attractive bowl team than say the Big East Team) could easily happen.

I say the overall chances that the Big East signs an "agreement" with Army & Navy for 4 games per year each is less than 5%.

They may get access to bowls, but I am sure the BE would put safeguards in place to protect conf. teams. Remember, Army/Navy would not be members, just scheduling partners, so they wouldn't get same bennies as members. Maybe they would state that Navy would have to have an equal record to someone else to take bowl, don't know just speculating, but I am sure the BE is not just going to hand over bowls to Navy without being a member.

And this might improve bowl prospects next go around. You would have 11 teams (8 BE teams + ND/Army/Navy) so that the BE would get better/more bowls. And most of the time you would not have to worry about Army/Navy taking any. Army, hardly ever, if ever.

It might have less than 5% chance, but I like this idea. Keeps conf. intact, and solves sched problem. If nothing else, a good stop gap, until next expansion, if one is ever needed. I hesitate to call it a stop gap because the bE is strong right now, and that makes it seem like a drastic overhaul is needed, it isn't.

BullsFanInTX Wrote:

KnightLight Wrote:

Cubanbull Wrote:What would Navy and Army gain from playing 4 BE teams a year? I guarantee you that if they agree to it then they will get access to BE bowl games and you think people here get pissed when Notre Dame gets a bowl over a BE team, wait till you see a 7-5 Navy team that went 1-3 in their BE games get chosen over a 8-4 BE team that went 4-3 in league.

Very good pt.

No doubt that they would want in "return" for helping out the Big East...ACCESS to Big East Bowls.

The above scenario (where NAVY was a more attractive bowl team than say the Big East Team) could easily happen.

I say the overall chances that the Big East signs an "agreement" with Army & Navy for 4 games per year each is less than 5%.

They may get access to bowls, but I am sure the BE would put safeguards in place to protect conf. teams. Remember, Army/Navy would not be members, just scheduling partners, so they wouldn't get same bennies as members. Maybe they would state that Navy would have to have an equal record to someone else to take bowl, don't know just speculating, but I am sure the BE is not just going to hand over bowls to Navy without being a member.

And this might improve bowl prospects next go around. You would have 11 teams (8 BE teams + ND/Army/Navy) so that the BE would get better/more bowls. And most of the time you would not have to worry about Army/Navy taking any. Army, hardly ever, if ever.

It might have less than 5% chance, but I like this idea. Keeps conf. intact, and solves sched problem. If nothing else, a good stop gap, until next expansion, if one is ever needed. I hesitate to call it a stop gap because the bE is strong right now, and that makes it seem like a drastic overhaul is needed, it isn't.

We can give them access to BE bowls if they let the annual Army/Navy game be part of the BE TV package.

At least two people in this thread have said something to the effect of “this is a good stop-gap.” There’s the problem right there! It seems the BE arrangement in its entirety is built on stop-gaps.

The vulnerable non-football BE members (such as DePaul and Seton Hall) are probably doing everything in their power to push this thru as a way of protecting themselves.

MichaelSavage Wrote:

BYUcoog Wrote:I think you would be adding two bottom dwellers to your league with army and navy. No way they can compete..adding a Memphis, ECU or UCF to the BCS membership would help them become contenders.

Why do people keep talking about ADDING Army and Navy? It's just a scheduling agreement.

It's not just a scheduling agreement if this article is true. Navy and Army would be partial members, and playing them would count as conference games for us but WOULD NOT count as conference games for them. But, I assume, they would have limited access to our bowls, not nearly the access that Notre Dame has, but more of a backup role.

KnightLight Wrote:

Cubanbull Wrote:What would Navy and Army gain from playing 4 BE teams a year? I guarantee you that if they agree to it then they will get access to BE bowl games and you think people here get pissed when Notre Dame gets a bowl over a BE team, wait till you see a 7-5 Navy team that went 1-3 in their BE games get chosen over a 8-4 BE team that went 4-3 in league.

Very good pt.

No doubt that they would want in "return" for helping out the Big East...ACCESS to Big East Bowls.

The above scenario (where NAVY was a more attractive bowl team than say the Big East Team) could easily happen.

I say the overall chances that the Big East signs an "agreement" with Army & Navy for 4 games per year each is less than 5%.

That would increase the chances of the Big East looking for a football-only member then. It is obvious that the Big East realizes there is a serious problem filling 5 OOC games.

Jose_Jalapeno_on_a_Stick Wrote:At least two people in this thread have said something to the effect of “this is a good stop-gap.” There’s the problem right there! It seems the BE arrangement in its entirety is built on stop-gaps.

I agree. If the Big East is dead set on keeping this 16 team conglomerate together they better look into adding a REAL 9th football school to keep the football schools happy.