omnicarrier Wrote:

Cubanbull Wrote:I think with the money he has Jones will push the cotton Bowl as the 5th BCS Bowl. I guarantee you that in the next contract there will be no Bowl hosting two games. So the championship game will float amomg 5 and the Cotton will be the 5th one.

Which, if true, likely means the Big 12 goes with the Cotton, leaving the Fiesta with the Big East or no anchor conference. Which, if the Fiesta does take the Big East as its anchor conference, is both good and bad. Good in that the league would no longer be bound by the BCS criteria but bad in terms of travel expenses.

Also bad because, if true, look for the Gator to be the bowl game the SEC and Big 12 choose to replace the Cotton in their non-BCS bowl line-up.

This makes getting the Liberty Bowl even more pressing - but I highly doubt league management has the eyes to see this.

Cheers,
Neil

Neil...a Fiesta/BE relationship would be a disaster for both parties....attendance would be low and chances are it would be lower in the years to come as travel expenses get higher. I would rather have our champion be bounced from BCS Bowl to BCS bowl...at least we will have a driveable game every few years

The natural thing would be for the Orange Bowl to be ACC/BE bowl much like the Rose if for the Pac10/Big10...of course I doubt the BE could get Swofford and the ACC office to agree

Jackson

Any chance the Cotton replaces the Orange in the BCS next time around?
CJ

I think the next time the BCS starts to expand we will see the Capitial one, Cotton,and Texas bowls all trying to get new spots. The BCS will continue to grow an they will never give up that championship game being held a week after a bowl was played in the host city. it is to good for the economy of the host cities. we might even see more bowls try to get into the BCS mix

KnightLight Wrote:Cotton Bowl is spending $50 Million to try and improve their ancient stadium...while Jerry Jones is spending up to $1.3 Billion to build the greatest stadium of all-time.

The greatest stadium of all time...in a middle of a run down Arlington neighborhood whose biggest employer is a GM plant.

While he was selling the public on his interest in Dallas and Irving, he had Arlington in his back pocket, and that city will pay him hundreds of millions over the life of the stadium by giving him a piece of its sales tax revenues for the next 30 years. Meanwhile, Arlington is the largest city in the nation with no public transit whatsoever--not a single bus will get you within 10 miles of the stadium. And as long as Jerry is there, there won't be.

And don't sell that "greatest" to Hank & Hal Steinbrenner, who's already outspent JJ on New Yankee Stadium.

CardinalJim Wrote:Any chance the Cotton replaces the Orange in the BCS next time around?
CJ

Ummm...Try the Sugar.

Yea I think the Fiesta would be a disaster as well for the Big East. Its on the other side of the country. I think the Big East has a better chance at the Cotton against the Big 12 with the Fiesta being an at-large bowl or Fiesta sticking with the Big 12 or even the MWC or WAC gets an auto. Who knows whats going to happen the next time the BCS reknews its contract.

firmbizzle Wrote:

CardinalJim Wrote:Any chance the Cotton replaces the Orange in the BCS next time around?
CJ

Ummm...Try the Sugar.

I can't imagine that the SEC would ever stand for the Sugar being left out of the BCS. The Orange, on the other hand, is suffering. Perhaps it's because it's tied to that anchor known as the ACC but who knows.
CJ

DFW HOYA Wrote:

KnightLight Wrote:Cotton Bowl is spending $50 Million to try and improve their ancient stadium...while Jerry Jones is spending up to $1.3 Billion to build the greatest stadium of all-time.

The greatest stadium of all time...in a middle of a run down Arlington neighborhood whose biggest employer is a GM plant.

While he was selling the public on his interest in Dallas and Irving, he had Arlington in his back pocket, and that city will pay him hundreds of millions over the life of the stadium by giving him a piece of its sales tax revenues for the next 30 years. Meanwhile, Arlington is the largest city in the nation with no public transit whatsoever--not a single bus will get you within 10 miles of the stadium. And as long as Jerry is there, there won't be.

And don't sell that "greatest" to Hank & Hal Steinbrenner, who's already outspent JJ on New Yankee Stadium.

Remember, about 25% of all the costs for the new Yankee Stadium in the Bronx was to payoff all the crooks (union bosses, political paybacks, etc...).

Also...unlike Yankee Stadium (which will seat 54,000), the new Cowboy Stadium can seat up to 100,000 fans for Bowl Games and SuperBowls...PLUS, they will have a huge HD Video screen on the OUTSIDE of their stadium plaza so that they can host another 15,000-20,000 fans that want to be part of the excitement on gameday (for a $$$$$ price of course) and watch the game from there.

Public transportation is important for baseball stadiums (81 plus home games per year...including potential playoff games) and arenas (300 plus events per year), but with only 10 NFL Games...and some college games...fans will endure traffic problems to attend a National Championship Game and/or a SuperBowl...where cities go all out with some temporary transportation plans...as SuperBowl crowds reach DOUBLE the amount that actual can get inside the stadium on gameday (because of all the parties, corporate bashes, etc...).

PS. I'm a Cowboy HATER but even this stadium to me sounds very, very cool...especially the "hanging" HD video boards that will hang over the field and stretch from 20 yd line to the OTHER 20 yd line!

More info on the new Cowboy stadium, see link:
http://stadium.dallascowboys.com/

DFW HOYA Wrote:

KnightLight Wrote:Cotton Bowl is spending $50 Million to try and improve their ancient stadium...while Jerry Jones is spending up to $1.3 Billion to build the greatest stadium of all-time.

The greatest stadium of all time...in a middle of a run down Arlington neighborhood whose biggest employer is a GM plant.

Once again you don't bother to point out it is walking distance to the BallPark in Arlington & that Hicks, Jones & others are committing heavily in Glory Park. Try to let you hatred of Jones not to blind you. For everyone else follow the links if interested.

http://www.glorypark.com/

http://stadium.dallascowboys.com/

I think either the Big 12 and/or PAC will be in Fiesta each year and, occasionally, against each other.

texasorange Wrote:Once again you don't bother to point out it is walking distance to the BallPark in Arlington & that Hicks, Jones & others are committing heavily in Glory Park. Try to let you hatred of Jones not to blind you. For everyone else follow the links if interested.

I don't hate JJ at all--I repect his business and sports acumen tremendously (as opposed to, say, the sports acumen of Hicks). But when it comes to a location in DFW, the run down neighborhoods along Division Street in Arlington is not exactly Victory Park or even Las Colinas. And the idea that the North Dallas/Plano/Frisco crowd will drive 80 miles round trip for a evening game is a serious miscalculation on Jerry's part...but not really, because he'll charge $30-$50 a car for parking because he kept DART and the TRE far out of town. Meanwhile, a light rail line opens in 2009 which will drop Cotton Bowl patrons (all four games of them, anyway), right in front of the fairgounds every 10 minutes for $1.50 each way. Jerry wouldn't stand for that.

And guess who owns the other major parking lot adjacent to AT&T Stadium at Six Flags? The eastern version of Jerry, Dan Snyder. The same owner that charges Redskins fan up to $100 a car to park at FedEx Field and $20 a car from public Metrorail lots...go figure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Snyder

DFW HOYA Wrote:And the idea that the North Dallas/Plano/Frisco crowd will drive 80 miles round trip for a evening game is a serious miscalculation on Jerry's part...but not really, because he'll charge $30-$50 a car for parking because he kept DART and the TRE far out of town. Meanwhile, a light rail line opens in 2009 which will drop Cotton Bowl patrons (all four games of them, anyway), right in front of the fairgounds every 10 minutes for $1.50 each way. Jerry wouldn't stand for that.

Well...lets see.

What are all the events the old Cotton Bowl Stadium will be hosting?

Ok...now let's see all the games the new Dallas Cowboy Stadium will be hosting:

OU vs Texas: Very good game.

SuperBowls, DALLAS COWBOY NFL GAMES, future BCS Championship Games, future BCS Bowl Games, neutral site college games, etc...

I think many folks will drive 80 miles or so to see MANY of the events above.

PS. Dude...you sound like you lost a transportation contract at Jerry's new stadium. Let it go.

I don't really see the BCS expanding unless there is some major push for it to. The fifth game means that each bowl gets two games every 4 years (and thus more money). Adding an entirely new bowl would dilute their bowls without giving them anything new.

If it is possible to go into a bidding war to be a BCS game, the Cotton might replace one. I'm sure the BCS conferences could stop it, and I think there is at least one conference to stand up for each of the four bowls, other than maybe the Fiesta (the Big 12 who is anchored there, might like a revised Cotton as there BCS game better).

DFW HOYA Wrote:I don't hate JJ at all--I repect his business and sports acumen tremendously (as opposed to, say, the sports acumen of Hicks). But when it comes to a location in DFW, the run down neighborhoods along Division Street in Arlington is not exactly Victory Park or even Las Colinas. And the idea that the North Dallas/Plano/Frisco crowd will drive 80 miles round trip for a evening game is a serious miscalculation on Jerry's part...but not really, because he'll charge $30-$50 a car for parking because he kept DART and the TRE far out of town. Meanwhile, a light rail line opens in 2009 which will drop Cotton Bowl patrons (all four games of them, anyway), right in front of the fairgounds every 10 minutes for $1.50 each way. Jerry wouldn't stand for that.

Hoya, I grew up & lived in Rochester before moving to Texas over 16 years ago. Prior to moving I was a Buffalo Bills season ticket holder. Orchard Park was over an hour & a half away from my old home. But when there was a night game at old Rich Stadium tens of thousands of fans from the Rochester area were packed on the NYS Thruway to get to a game. Fans will come!! Who cares about DART??? What is your obsession with mass transport? This is Texas! Hell, we drive everywhere. And if you're bitching about parking costs; you probably can't afford a ticket to a game anyway.

Besides, as you must know, when the Bush is completed all the way down to I-30 it will take me about 35-40 minutes to get to Arlington for either a Ranger or Cowboy game. It now takes me an hour & a half from my home in Plano.

And besides, Dallas f*cked itself up with horrible leadership from the mayor to the city legislature to those idiots the county commisioners. Don't you love hearing John Wiley Price demand an apology because he thought the term "black hole" describing money disappearing, was a racial slur? The city is run by a bunch of morons.

The only problem with Texas is all the Texans living in it.

Feista Bowl will be the one to lose it BCS game. It doesnt have the tradition the other 3 have. I dont think they will add a 5th game but replace one of the others. The point of the BCS is supposely is about maintaining tradition. Yes, it would be a big disaster for the Big East to be the host the Feista bowl. WV lost a million dollars going to the Fiesta bowl last year and that is not what the Big East needs. The Big East BCS bowl game must be on the east coast no futher than New Orleans. This is about the fans being able to travel without breaking the bank in these times. With the price of gas and everything else, these are the things that bowl committes are going to have to consider. Just like some conference dont want to play on the west coast bowl games because of the problems it causes.

gdayre Wrote:Fiesta Bowl will be the one to lose it BCS game. It doesnt have the tradition the other 3 have. I dont think they will add a 5th game but replace one of the others. The point of the BCS is supposely is about maintaining tradition. Yes, it would be a big disaster for the Big East to be the host the Feista bowl. WV lost a million dollars going to the Fiesta bowl last year and that is not what the Big East needs. The Big East BCS bowl game must be on the east coast no futher than New Orleans. This is about the fans being able to travel without breaking the bank in these times. With the price of gas and everything else, these are the things that bowl committes are going to have to consider. Just like some conference dont want to play on the west coast bowl games because of the problems it causes.

Remember, there is already a 5th BCS Bowl now...as the National Championship site also holds a "BCS" Bowl Game 5-6 days earlier. (Which the BCS Conferences in turn can say they did it to "help" the non-bcs teams gain access...but in most years...it will still mean 11 or 12 BCS teams will get into BCS Bowls).

New Cowboy Stadium with 100,000 seats...with zillions of club seats and suites...plus and outdoor plaza with a giant HD Video board that they could sell another 20,000 "tickets" to watch the game and join in on the fun...the BCS Conferences aren't stupid.

They can't turn down a potential 120,000 place venue with scores of more advertising possibilities just on tradition sake.

Its all about the $$$$$$$...and I might guess that the 5th game that is currently at the site of the National Championship location might be taken over by the Cotton Bowl at new Cowboy Stadium.

Or...will the BCS Conferences add a 6th BCS Bowl Game...as another opportunity to basically guarantee all of them 2 BCS Bowl slots in most years?

I could see them expanding it another 2 spots with the cotton and still keep stupid double hosting. I don't see them dropping one of the 4. 12 spots would give them more money and make them appear more inclusive.

KnightLight Wrote:

gdayre Wrote:Fiesta Bowl will be the one to lose it BCS game. It doesnt have the tradition the other 3 have. I dont think they will add a 5th game but replace one of the others. The point of the BCS is supposely is about maintaining tradition. Yes, it would be a big disaster for the Big East to be the host the Feista bowl. WV lost a million dollars going to the Fiesta bowl last year and that is not what the Big East needs. The Big East BCS bowl game must be on the east coast no futher than New Orleans. This is about the fans being able to travel without breaking the bank in these times. With the price of gas and everything else, these are the things that bowl committes are going to have to consider. Just like some conference dont want to play on the west coast bowl games because of the problems it causes.

Remember, there is already a 5th BCS Bowl now...as the National Championship site also holds a "BCS" Bowl Game 5-6 days earlier. (Which the BCS Conferences in turn can say they did it to "help" the non-bcs teams gain access...but in most years...it will still mean 11 or 12 BCS teams will get into BCS Bowls).

New Cowboy Stadium with 100,000 seats...with zillions of club seats and suites...plus and outdoor plaza with a giant HD Video board that they could sell another 20,000 "tickets" to watch the game and join in on the fun...the BCS Conferences aren't stupid.

They can't turn down a potential 120,000 place venue with scores of more advertising possibilities just on tradition sake.

Its all about the $$$$$$$...and I might guess that the 5th game that is currently at the site of the National Championship location might be taken over by the Cotton Bowl at new Cowboy Stadium.

Or...will the BCS Conferences add a 6th BCS Bowl Game...as another opportunity to basically guarantee all of them 2 BCS Bowl slots in most years?

The problem with that is the other four spots dont get to hold the NC ever. They arent going for that. All 4 spots now like having 2 games a year and especially the NC game. They are not going to give that up for Jerry Jones either. Dont think the non-bcs schools are going to allow that either. If you add a 6th game then one of those spot are going to have to be guarantee to the non-bcs every year. Plus, all the power the Rose Bowl has, they arent about to let the like of Jerry Jones in on the college football scene. He is involvement is limited to Arkansas. The Rose Bpwl is not going to share the power they with anyone.

I think if the Cotton offers enough cash it could become the 5th BCS Bowl and the championship rotates among all 5.
The Rose would be quiet if they allow them to keep the Pac 10-Big Ten in non championship years