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Gray Avenger Wrote:In the 50's, Ole Miss was probably the best team in the nation after Oklahoma. Etc, etc.

GA, I think the ole miss folks have finally brainwashed you. The Rebels were very good in the 1950's, but they might not have even the best SEC team of that decade. Both Georgia Tech and Tennessee were arguablye better in the 1950's.


http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/ran...=1950-1959

The folks in Tennessee will never stop talking about Gen. Neyland. His teams were some of the best ever to step foot on the field here in Knoxville.

People Champion Wrote:

CardinalJim Wrote:

Airport KC Wrote:Once Florida State & Miami FL wake up from their slumber there isn't going to be much room at the top for BC.

There is no guarantee FSU and The "U" will ever return to their former glory. Bobby Bowden built FSU and it looks like it'll crumble under his watch as well. Expansion of the ACC certianly didn't help FSU. The "U" 's football legacy was built as an independent in the mid-80's and brought into the Big East, a small yet competitive league where it flourished. The 'Canes may never return to glory. Both of these programs suffer from the same syndrome that Notre Dame suffers from. "Illusions of Grandeur" High school seniors that these programs are recruiting were in elementary school the last time FSU and Miami won national championships. In the Irish's case the kids they are recruiting were not even born yet. So they know nothing of how things use to be at these programs. Sure these programs are going to get good players but there's no guarantee they'll do anything with them. College football has changed. Other programs now recruit Florida regularly. There is another BCS power in Florida now. The ol' ball coach built a powerful program at Florida. Times have changed, the Canes and Noles may never come back.
CJ

UM and FSU are totally different from ND. First of all, FSU's last NC appearence was in 2000 and UM's last NC appearence was in 2002. The last time ND was mentioned in NC talk was in 1993. Both UM and FSU are in Florida, which their names carry alot of weight there. ND relies more on recruiting nationally than in Indiana. USF is making strides in recruiting, however they are targeting the top recruits that usually leaves the state. You right that there is no guarantee that either will return back to top 10 teams, just like UL. It is no secret that alot programs recruit Florida, however the top recruits usally favor the Big 3 first. As for the future, FSU have Jimbo Fisher set to replace Bobby Bowden, a coach that WVU targeted during their coaching search. UM have Randy Shannon, a young coach that landed a top 5 recruiting after a losing season.

Good Lord who left the door unlocked and let more ACC flamers in. There goes the neighborhood.
CJ

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Good Lord who left the door unlocked and let more ACC flamers in. There goes the neighborhood.
CJ
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Nobody is flaming, you made statements about FSU and UM being down forever, when UL is experiencing the same kind of downward spiral.

Jose_Jalapeno_on_a_Stick Wrote:Well, Frank, I’d sure hope that Miami and FSU will at least be able to move up this year, with the heavy player turnover at UVa and BC, along with the transition at GT. But, a couple games improvement over 5-7, 7-6 records won’t impress me to the tune of these programs being “back”. And as for FSU’s Orange Bowl bid of two years ago? Since FSU’s BCS bowl team you are referring to was 7-4, just happened to win a crappy division, then upset the other division winner a BCS, I would consider that window-dressing your point a bit.

The bottom line is that these two programs still get exposure strictly on their past laurels.

edit - I don’t necessarily doubt the two of them will come back, but I guess the point is, the annual predictions that they will is, to me, more throwing crap at the wall until it sticks than actual educated insight.

I think you've made a good point here. While FSU and Miami are both great football programs, will either program ever return to the glory they experienced in the 90's? The success these two programs acheived was beyond incredible: all the trappings of two real college football powerhouses. Insane accomplishments such as ten straight ACC titles or twenty straight winning seasons. Asking for a ten, five or even three year period of similar results would be considered rediculous anywhere else except for South Bend, Ann Arbor or Knoxville. For ANY program to continue at that level of success for more than ten years is just implausible.

For three or more programs to have this level of success in one state; even if that state as densely populated as Florida, just can't last. Of our two universities, I think the U. is closer to powerhouse status if only for the reason that UMiami is the only BCS school within a huge population base. Florida State is awful close to Florida and Talahassee is just not as big as Orlando, Tampa or Miami. However, the market and the recruiting is there for both programs to atleast be solid BCS teams.

Given time, I think Miami and Florida State will rise from the ACC cellar. I just think they'll be resurrected as division title contenders, not national powerhouses.

People Champion Wrote:Nobody is flaming, you made statements about FSU and UM being down forever, when UL is experiencing the same kind of downward spiral.

Reading comprehension obviously isn't a skill that you ACC folks seem to possess. No where did I say Miami or FSU (and I love a so-called Miami fan defending FSU) would be down forever. I said just because they were once great didn't mean they would be great again. Do you have a crystal ball there Kreskin? If so, why are you hanging out on some messageboard when you could be cleaning up in Vegas or in the Stock Market? My point is no one knows what the future holds for any program, including Louisville.

A couple of things we do know....

No Louisville broadcaster has ever left the booth to go down on the field to help his homeboys in a brawl.

Half of the Louisville team has NEVER been suspended for cheating on a test and end up missing the Banjo bowl in Nashville.

How proud the the ACC must be to have these two type programs in the fold.

The last time Louisville played FSU and Miami, Louisville beat them on the field. I was there. I watched Bobby Bowden whine that he would never bring his team back to Louisville again because he got beat.

I also watched your Miami thugs jump up and down on the Cardinal at mid-field in PJCS. Then proceed to get *****-slapped on national TV. Matter of fact we have ***** slapped your 'Canes the last time we played in football, basketball and baseball. Call it a clean sweep..LOL

The Miami I remember from the 80's wasn't afraid of anyone. Your program now is a shell of it's former self. If not have your AD call our AD at Louisville, Tom Jurich and agree to resume the series. Here's his number 502-852-2994. Have your guy sack it up and make the call. We'll be waiting.
CJ

Good Lord who left the door unlocked and let more ACC flamers in. There goes the neighborhood.
CJ[/quote]Nobody is flaming, you made statements about FSU and UM being down forever, when UL is experiencing the same kind of downward spiral.[/quote]When USF replaced Miami in The BEast, Miami's place as one of Florida's Big 3 was supplanted. Now it's the Big 2 (UF & USF), and the little 3 ([FSU, UM, & UCF[/i]).

Miami should get back to being the Miami of old before you open your mouth to speak.

As someone who lives in fla and pays attention.. FSU made some real mistakes in hires.. esp j. bowden as OC.. they have fixed those problems.. They probably need one or at most 2 more years to return to very good status. Recruiting is going well but they have some holes to fill. UM went away from what made them great under coker.. Shannahan has once again sealed off south fla. they get 80% of the best recruits from there.. and everyone else fights for the other 20%. The big problem for them is the still need players... Look for them to be better this year, good the year after.. and very good in 2010.

CardinalJim Wrote:

People Champion Wrote:Nobody is flaming, you made statements about FSU and UM being down forever, when UL is experiencing the same kind of downward spiral.

Reading comprehension obviously isn't a skill that you ACC folks seem to possess. No where did I say Miami or FSU (and I love a so-called Miami fan defending FSU) would be down forever. I said just because they were once great didn't mean they would be great again. Do you have a crystal ball there Kreskin? If so, why are you hanging out on some messageboard when you could be cleaning up in Vegas or in the Stock Market? My point is no one knows what the future holds for any program, including Louisville.

A couple of things we do know....

No Louisville broadcaster has ever left the booth to go down on the field to help his homeboys in a brawl.

Half of the Louisville team has NEVER been suspended for cheating on a test and end up missing the Banjo bowl in Nashville.

How proud the the ACC must be to have these two type programs in the fold.

The last time Louisville played FSU and Miami, Louisville beat them on the field. I was there. I watched Bobby Bowden whine that he would never bring his team back to Louisville again because he got beat.

I also watched your Miami thugs jump up and down on the Cardinal at mid-field in PJCS. Then proceed to get *****-slapped on national TV. Matter of fact we have ***** slapped your 'Canes the last time we played in football, basketball and baseball. Call it a clean sweep..LOL

The Miami I remember from the 80's wasn't afraid of anyone. Your program now is a shell of it's former self. If not have your AD call our AD at Louisville, Tom Jurich and agree to resume the series. Here's his number 502-852-2994. Have your guy sack it up and make the call. We'll be waiting.
CJ

What is your overall record against both UM and FSU? You are using selective memory to make your point.

People Champion Wrote:What is your overall record against both UM and FSU? You are using selective memory to make your point.

Like I said, have ya boy grow a set and make the call. I love it when has beens start harkening back to games played in leather helmets to justify their reason for losing the last game. I guess we'll get to the attendance smack next. You are only as good as your last game. No one cares what you did 10, 20, 30 or more years ago. Even an ACC fan should understand that.
CJ

goodknightfl Wrote:As someone who lives in fla and pays attention.. FSU made some real mistakes in hires.. esp j. bowden as OC.. they have fixed those problems.. They probably need one or at most 2 more years to return to very good status. Recruiting is going well but they have some holes to fill. UM went away from what made them great under coker.. Shannahan has once again sealed off south fla. they get 80% of the best recruits from there.. and everyone else fights for the other 20%. The big problem for them is the still need players... Look for them to be better this year, good the year after.. and very good in 2010.

That’s about the way I see it too. I think FSU gets back to the top 25 this year, but Clemson’s too much in that division. Same with VT on Miami’s side.

I look for FSU second in Atlantic, and Miami probably third in Coastal (which is the weaker division right now) this year.