The EAC....yea, I could roll with that.

Bearcats#1 Wrote:The EAC....yea, I could roll with that.

EAC(K)!

This cat likes that name!

Wilkie01 Wrote:The Eastern Athletic Conference

It allows you to have teams anywhere East of the Mississippi River.

That works!

Bearcats#1 Wrote:

Wilkie01 Wrote:Or we just go to ten teams and add Memphis and UCF.

This is the best and easiest plan by far......it gets Memphis back with UC/UofL. Adds a tremendous bball school. Most likely gets Liberty Bowl tie. Puts us in SEC country. Adds another team to loaded state of Florida. Adds USF's arch rival and another up and coming fball school.....

It's just that easy folks.

Now..for the name....Eastern 10? No...we need a cool name. What do you offer for a name if this was the conference:

UC
UofL
Cuse
Pitt
WVA
USF
UCF
Memphis
RU
UCONN

name?

How many times must I repeat myself. USF is not an "arch rival" with UCF. Does not want to be rivals with UCF. Leavitt cancelled the series with UCF in order to pursue a series with Miami. Yet everyone want to shove this so called "rivalry" down USF's throat. (Let's also remember that USF owns a 3-0 advantage in this "rivalry" by a 119-43 score advantage). Yeah, a lot to be gained by USF.

While were at it why don't we add Miami of OH so UC can have an Arch Rival in the BE too!!!

BullsFanInTX Wrote:

Bearcats#1 Wrote:

Wilkie01 Wrote:Or we just go to ten teams and add Memphis and UCF.

This is the best and easiest plan by far......it gets Memphis back with UC/UofL. Adds a tremendous bball school. Most likely gets Liberty Bowl tie. Puts us in SEC country. Adds another team to loaded state of Florida. Adds USF's arch rival and another up and coming fball school.....

It's just that easy folks.

Now..for the name....Eastern 10? No...we need a cool name. What do you offer for a name if this was the conference:

UC
UofL
Cuse
Pitt
WVA
USF
UCF
Memphis
RU
UCONN

name?

How many times must I repeat myself. USF is not an "arch rival" with UCF. Does not want to be rivals with UCF. Leavitt cancelled the series with UCF in order to pursue a series with Miami. Yet everyone want to shove this so called "rivalry" down USF's throat. (Let's also remember that USF owns a 3-0 advantage in this "rivalry" by a 119-43 score advantage). Yeah, a lot to be gained by USF.

While were at it why don't we add Miami of OH so UC can have an Arch Rival in the BE too!!!

dang dude...relax. I would like to cancel Miami OH as well...but the difference is, UCF is in Orlando, and Miami OH is in nowheresville.....plus you gotta admit UCF is on the rise. They have a tremendous oncampus football stadium....I think they'd be a great addition to the BE. You don't want to call it a rival, that's cool...but your games with them are BIG draws......anyway you slice it, UCF would be a good addition to BE.

In addtion, UC already has a big INconference rival in UofL.....Miami OH is not necessary. You on the other hand do not have the rival yet....UCF would fit the bill nicely.

Forgive me if I am VERY passionate about the direction of USF. And that direction does not (or at least should not) include UCF. If I had my way, the USF/UM series will become a BIG time series and everyone can forget about the USF/UCF series. I think the USF/UM series will be a bigger draw than USF/UCF. Will it happen, who knows. The USF/UCF series may very well become a big rivalry in the future, I admit that. I just don't like it when others try to tell USF that is going to be their rivalry...Sorry...

I admit that UCF does have a LOT going for them and are making big progress and could very well be included in the BE if the BE ever decides to split/expand.

Hey guys, it's time I reminded everyone to re-read the initial post in this thread, which imposes a moritorium on discussing specific teams. The reason being, I don't want any squabbling in this thread.

KL, always love the Bill the Cat references Given who's in the race this year, he and Opus need to throw their hats back in.

One more comment to Bullsfan and then I'm done...

I understand what you are saying...if I were you I'd rather have a rivalry with Miami (or even Florida or Florida St) because of the name value...understood. I mention UCF because they are a viable, realistic candidate for BE expansion and as stated, really bring some upside to the BE. But I def. understand what you are saying.

I'm the same...I hate it that Miami OH is a "rivalry" game for us......it should be dropped. As I've already said, UofL is a BIG rival for UC and conference foe and that's good enough.

^^
Last comment on this as well...
I understand Bearcats1, UCF is a viable BE expansion candidate. What I would like to see happen is let it play out for a few years (the USF/UM series). See how it develops. If it develops into something big, great. If not, USF can always return to thier series with UCF at some point. I just feel for USF's growth potential, it is better not to be tied to UCF.

With all due respect to many teams which have been mentioned on this board many, many times.
The real question is this:
1. does the Big East stay the same
2. does the Big East add a team (or teams) to achieve a better number for schedules etc.
Here is the hard part....everyone knows that each of the "teams" mentioned have drawbacks.
Each of these "teams" WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED if the Big East weren't in a pickle.
I am reluctant to add any more comment here, but it could be extensive
3. Wait for the return of a "prodigal"(s) (BC, Miami, Va.Tech, Temple, or gasp Notre Dame!
4. Break up and find the best situation for each of the teams in The Big East.
This best case situation may come in the ACC, SEC or Big 10(11).

Please remember that I mean no one disrespect, and I am only offering my viewpoint, and I did apologized in advance.

Krocker Krapp Wrote:

esayem Wrote:

mlb Wrote:I don't believe Dayton or Xavier will leave each other going forward. The two schools have really become a close couple of institutions over the last 15 years or so.

They are a good rivalry, they are close to each other for travelling purposes, they are both catholic. Also, something to think about, Notre Dame has a much longer tradition with Dayton than Xavier. So does Marquette and Depaul. I don't see Xavier or Dayton leaving anywhere without each other.

Doesn't matter. If a ND conference was to ask a school to come join them they wouldn't say, 'oh, I can't leave these guys behind'. Right now Xavier is the top candidate, Dayton just doesn't have the recent tourney track record. If they get a school in southern Ohio, they aren't going to look at another one right away.

It matters to Xavier and Dayton. Their institutional plans may be quite different from what you, a fan from a far away state and totally different team, wish to see. Both administrations have publicly stated that they will stay together in the future. Working relationships are more important than recent NCAA Tournament appearances. Xavier probably would not say no to an invitation to join Notre Dame in a post-split Catholic Big East, but they would ask for Dayton to go along too, and the Fighting Irish, DePaul, and Marquette would work together to ensure it happened. End of story.

Show me these facts. Even so, 9 is ideal for a basketball league, Dayton would be on the outside looking in. End of story.

XLance Wrote:With all due respect to many teams which have been mentioned on this board many, many times.
The real question is this:
1. does the Big East stay the same
2. does the Big East add a team (or teams) to achieve a better number for schedules etc.
Here is the hard part....everyone knows that each of the "teams" mentioned have drawbacks.
Each of these "teams" WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED if the Big East weren't in a pickle. I am reluctant to add any more comment here, but it could be extensive
3. Wait for the return of a "prodigal"(s) (BC, Miami, Va.Tech, Temple, or gasp Notre Dame!
4. Break up and find the best situation for each of the teams in The Big East.
This best case situation may come in the ACC, SEC or Big 10(11).

Please remember that I mean no one disrespect, and I am only offering my viewpoint, and I did apologized in advance.

I see these types of comments on message boards over and over, so that people actually start to beleive it as fact, whether or not it is true. I would like to see ONE (just one) credible article, that the BE is hurting, in a pickle, or whatever. It doesn't exist, except in the minds of message board posters. On the contrary, the articles we see, talk about the health and success of the BE. Oh, sure, every now an then we hear a coach complain about schedules, but that is it. I am still waiting for one credible, unquestioned article from a real Big East source that says the BE is even considering, thinking about, is open to, might want to, etc. etc. expanding or splitting. I haven't seen one yet. If it exists, I am sure someone will post it, but instead we will just see opinions tossed around by the pro expansion crowd.

sort like Bush saying the war is going great. it's called propaganda

templefootballfan Wrote:sort like Bush saying the war is going great. it's called propaganda

esayem Wrote:Show me these facts. Even so, 9 is ideal for a basketball league, Dayton would be on the outside looking in. End of story.

I don't have anything in front of me that says it... but having lived in Dayton and Cincinnati, the fans of both sides pretty much think that neither school will leave a conference to be away from the other. I also agree with Kracker, Marquette and Depaul would work in the background to be sure Dayton did not get left out in the case of that kind of reallignment. Dayton probably has the best fan base among all the catholic schools in the Big East outside of Notre Dame (and they probably travel better for basketball than ND). They average 13K, or close to it, in good and bad years. They also travel to conference championships well. I don't see any catholic conference coming together without Dayton under any circumstances.

Just going to throw in my two cents:

1) Split the Big East, bring along Notre Dame as a non-football member, and bring the conference to 9 for football. This gives me a balenced, 8-game schedule in football while keeping numbers down and maximizing profits. Plus, I keep ND's huge [even sans-football] and nationwide fanbase. The catholic schools would still be at seven and have a solid foundation for a new conference.

2) Split and go to ten. I'd add one school immeadiatly and then wait patiently for another school to emerge as a clear-cut choice for #10.

3) Form a joint-league. Two eight/nine team conferences that are closely associated; the Big East and our new allsports conference could play together in sports such as Lacross and Baseball. Plus, the two leagues could both keep the conference championships in Madison Square Garden. The champions of both leagues would have a friendly match at season's end in bb and the two leagues could maybe start a season series similar to the ACC-Big Ten challenge.

4) Split, add a football school and invite Notre Dame plus two of the catholic schools for non-football membership. Nine is perfect for football; Twelve is a good number for basketball and divisions will ease travel. Adding the three non-football schools solidifies the footprint and keeps Syracuse and Uconn happy. However, this would seriously dilute tournament monies and leave the remaining non-football schools without a basketball home.

5) Stay at 16 and keep things pretty much the way they are now; but have plans to either add another member for football only or expand to 18 in the future.

6) Split and expand to twelve. As of right now, I don't think the canidates availible bring enough to table to counteract the extra mouths to feed, even with a conference championship game.

mlb Wrote:

esayem Wrote:Show me these facts. Even so, 9 is ideal for a basketball league, Dayton would be on the outside looking in. End of story.

I don't have anything in front of me that says it... but having lived in Dayton and Cincinnati, the fans of both sides pretty much think that neither school will leave a conference to be away from the other. I also agree with Kracker, Marquette and Depaul would work in the background to be sure Dayton did not get left out in the case of that kind of reallignment. Dayton probably has the best fan base among all the catholic schools in the Big East outside of Notre Dame (and they probably travel better for basketball than ND). They average 13K, or close to it, in good and bad years. They also travel to conference championships well. I don't see any catholic conference coming together without Dayton under any circumstances.

Creighton would be the best option (attendance, fanhood) if that is what you're looking for. Xavier replaces the Bearcats with a school in the same city and are one of the best programs, if not the best, outside of the so called "power six". Remember GU, PC, SJU, Nova, SHU (majority) would have to okay a 10th member.

With Providence, SJU, SHU, and Depaul dragging down attendance numbers of a new conference I think they may be very interested in getting a school with historically very strong attendance numbers. Like I said, Dayton also has long running ties with Notre Dame (MCC and out of conference games), Marquette (MCC, Great Midwest), and Depaul (I believe they were in the MCC, can't remember now) they would probably have their support to go with Xavier. I just think you underestimate the history of Dayton basketball and their traditional rivalries with some of the biggest catholic schools in the country (as they are also catholic).

http://www.daytondailynews.com/s/content...udweb.html

Here you go... 27th in attendance this past season, 12,500 or so. Best point of the article:

Quote:Since UD Arena opened in 1969, Dayton has been in the NCAA's top 35 in attendance every season.

In that time UD had a 4 win season, 6 win season, and 7 win season. UD fans support their program whether winning or losing, something that can't be said about any other current Big East basketball only schools. They honestly have the best basketball fan base in Ohio.

esayem Wrote:Creighton would be the best option (attendance, fanhood) if that is what you're looking for. Xavier replaces the Bearcats with a school in the same city and are one of the best programs, if not the best, outside of the so called "power six". Remember GU, PC, SJU, Nova, SHU (majority) would have to okay a 10th member.

I'm sorry, but whatever little credibility you had with me is now totally gone. Creighton? CREIGHTON?!?!?! The best option for an eastern basketball league is to expand with a school from Nebraska???



Cheers,
Neil