And people who live in Philly's suburbs root for a subdivision school from another state? Or will they root for a Philly school. And do all the Philly suburbs combined (The New Castle Counties and the Newark Delawares) make a market greater than the #4 market in the nation?

Where are the fans for Temple football?

University Of Delaware draws over 20k at its current level of football.

If U o DEl goes big time football its tv broadcasts will
be aimed into the Philly region of which it is a part.

Unlike almost any other potential BE school,it has close to 2 billion dollars of endowment.Thus making its funding of stadium and practice facilities and coaches easily within the reach of the school.

Man. Delaware is playing for the national championship in their subdivision. What other sports are there in Delaware in pro or college? THis is the only thing the state of Delaware has going on in sports period and right now it's going good- at their level.
They draw 20,000 in a championship season and you guys equate that with what in a BCS conference. And to say Philly is waiting to jump on board for UD, if they go div. 1. Well they won't be playing for the national championship once they join a BCS conference, so the truth is, they may be hard pressed to even keep those 20,000 fans tagging along once they upgrade. Are they going to have an 11-4 season and a shot at the national title in the BCS? Everybody loves a winner even if it is winning in a subdivision. Winning in the BCS will draw high fans but it easier said then done. My local summer league can pack a stadium. Maybe they should petition to join the BE. The people of Delaware have found something to cheer about. Did you notice ESPN did not pick up UD's title game. WHY? Even at their best, UD has never owned a big market like Philly and never will. Give it a break.

Where were Rutgers fans before Rutgers started winning? Where are SYr FB fans? Losing teams don't draw alot of fans. Once you win you can maxamize fan potential. Temple's potential is considerably higher than Delaware's 20,000 in a title season. Maybe the BTN will snatch Delaware before the BE get's the chance. The games are probably not even televised so 20,000 is their full audience.

Nobody is going to take Delaware over Temple if the target if Philly. Well, almost nobody. There seems to be a few fans on these boards.

Philly does not have to root for Delaware. They can root for McNabb and the Eagles.

Heck, even when they were in the BE and sucked, Temple averaged around 20,000.

Delaware always draws over 20k.

I did not say Philly is waiting for U of Del.

The location of Delaware puts in the heart of the northeast,near Rutgers,UConn,Syracuse etc.

Delaware is a very high ranked school with lots of money behind it.

Heck even when Temple went 0-11 in the 2005-2006 season they averaged roughly 7,000 less than UofD averaged in their "title run." Here's a quote:

"The Owls finished 0-11, losing by an average of 35.6 points a game and costing coach Bobby Wallace his job. It's no wonder Temple ranked 109th out of 119 major college programs in attendance at an average of 12,735."

An that's losing every game all year long. Compare Temple's worse to UD's best. My only point is that if Temple can win they can be huge. If Delaware wins they will still be small. All Temple has to do is field a good team. Phil. is potentially a better partner city to the BE than the whole state of Del.

Here's a quote from Wikipedia:

"The school has a potentially large fan base to bring into the MAC, with over 250,000 alumni currently living within a 50-mile radius of Philadelphia. Temple University has 35,599 students and is located in the nation's fourth-largest media market.
The most attended Temple game, with 105,950 attendees, occurred November 11, 2006 at Beaver Stadium, home of Penn State. Temple lost that game 47-0. Nine out of the ten most attended Temple games occurred at Penn State.
The largest attended home game was November 10, 2007, at Lincoln Financial Field, when the Owls played host to the Penn State Nittany Lions, which had an attendance of 69,029."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Owls...milestones


Seems like Penn State is trying to start a rivalry but Temple hasn't been up to stuff.

I haven't checked out a Temple game on TV lately but Temple was a joke attendance wise back in the mid 90s...no more than 5-7k fans and in the case when Syracuse played in Philly the Orange outnumbered the Temple fans.

I'm not advocating Delaware over Temple but I would advocate them over U-Buffalo.

Do you really think Temple is getting into BE after being tossed by the BE?

Delaware and Temple have a long standing rivalry, glad to see it still exists.

frogman Wrote:Does that mean people in Phil are going to root for Delaware, when they have a major university right there in Phil? Temple has had success in FB....

Heck...Wilmington, DE...is just a HUGE suburb of Philly and is loaded with UD alumni.

Plus...even at a lower level, UD has FAR more success in Football.

UD has won a total of SIX National Championships...including 2 since 1979...and is a REGULAR fixture in the Div I-AA NCAA playoffs.

Plus...UD is almost always in the Top 3 in Attendance...and usually outdraws Temple by a MILE. (actual attendance).

Temple has had just TWO winning seasons since 1980...TWO!

Translation...that means Temple has had 26 losing seasons out of the past past 28 years!

Plus...in Temple's 112 year football history...Temple has only been to ONE Bowl Game (that is in existence today)...and that was over 72 years ago with the 1935 Sugar Bowl.

You call that Temple Football SUCCESS?

Temple would NOT be getting readmitted to the Big East. They would be joining a NEW conference consisting of four teams they once played with in the Big East, four teams they did not play with in the Big East, and possibly a totally new team or three. Time to just RENAME this stupid thread "Invasion Of The Delaware Snatchers" or something. This alleged idea is not even a Big East pipe dream but, rather, a complete non-issue which is suddenly being pimped out by a previously unseen INFLUX of Blue Hens backers pretending to be fans of other schools.

KnightLight Wrote:Heck...Wilmington, DE...is just a HUGE suburb of Philly and is loaded with UD alumni.

Plus...even at a lower level, UD has FAR more success in Football.

Plus...in Temple's 112 year football history...Temple has only been to ONE Bowl Game (that is in existence today)...and that was over 72 years ago with the 1935 Sugar Bowl.

You call that Temple Football SUCCESS?

Delaware has never been to even one major bowl. My neighborhood FB team has had more success than WVU, LSU and Mich combined. We win the championship every year- at a lower level. Think our success could carry over into the BCS?

It's all about keeping the Philly market once we split. I don't think the Wilmington market is what we're after.


Here a quote:

"In 1979, the Owls had a 10-2 record and the most wins in school history. The Owls opened the season with a 38-16 win at West Virginia and later beat Rutgers (41-20) and Syracuse (49-17). Temple's only losses during the regular season were to nationally ranked Pittsburgh (10-9) and Penn State (22-7). In the game at Penn State, before a record-setting crowd, the Owls led 7-6 at the half. Following the 1979 season, the Owls defeated California 28-17 in the second Garden State Bowl. The crowd who witnessed Temple beat California (55,952) was the largest in the short history of that Bowl. 12 year old Marc Pepenelli, nephew of offensive coordinator Carmen Piccone, was one of the 55,952 fans in attendance.

Under Hardin, the Owls were one of the more stable Eastern football powers and often defeated local rivals West Virginia, Rutgers, Syracuse and Pitt. In the 1970s, Temple went 4-4 against West Virginia, 2-1 against Rutgers, 1-1 against Syracuse, 4-1-1 against Cincinnati and 2-0 against Connecticut."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Owls...milestones


Here's Buffalo attendance from 2006:

Bowling Green (6-5), 14,929
Louisiana-Monroe (5-6), 14,617
Ball State (4-7), 12,953
Temple (0-11), 12,735
New Mexico State (0-12), 12,557
San Jose State (3-8), 12,506
Utah State (3-8), 10,896
Akron (7-6), 10,893
Rice (1-10), 10,072
Buffalo (1-10), 8,914
Kent State (1-10), 6,658
Eastern Michigan (4-7), 5,219

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/f...woes_x.htm

LOL Froggie...let it GO!

Temple will never be in a football conference AGAIN with the likes of WVU, Pitt, RU or Cuse.

KnightLight Wrote:LOL Froggie...let it GO!

Temple will never be in a football conference AGAIN with the likes of WVU, Pitt, RU or Cuse.

You are looking at it as a fan and not as a conference with a future. So you are saying we give up Boston and Philly in the northeast after a split and Villanova goes. And if Rutgers goes to the BTN we lose a good chunk of NYC as well. We give up the 1, 4, and 7 markets in the nation and count attendance in arenas at a time when every other conference is moving to take TV markets. The money is in TV markets that is the future. We're already to poorest conference. Hopefully the new Be administration understands market potential.

Frogman, what good does it do to have a team in a TV market, when the media, the public and its alumina do not follow its athletic programs"? All you have is another mouth to feed that does not provide additional income to the conference treasury!

Wilkie01 Wrote:Frogman, what good does it do to have a team in a TV market, when the media, the public and its alumina do not follow its athletic programs"? All you have is another mouth to feed that does not provide additional income to the conference treasury!

Temple wins games, that all changes. Anyone remember Rutgers prior to Greg Schiano? Now look at them.

MichaelSavage Wrote:Anyone remember Rutgers prior to Greg Schiano?

And, a little over 15 years ago, us.

Why does 20,000 at Delaware in a subdivision title season show fan support and Temple averaged nearly 30,000 at home games last year and people keep saying there is no fan support. Temple has gone from 12,000 to nearly 30,000 AT HOME in two years under the new coach Golden. Here's the link:

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/tem/...-stats.pdf

Syracuse FB attendance last year as 35,000 that's down from 41,000 in 2006.

http://www.suathletics.com/Sports/Footba...ndance.asp

Temple is already turning it around. I had a lot of free time today. maybe too much free time. But I just wanted to say temple is a better deal than Delaware for the BE. Now I found the attendance numbers to prove it. Temple will have a big audience for the UCONN game. and I hate to say it, but I'll be rooting for the Owls. I love these boards but I look back and see I blabbed a bit too much. Tommor, I go back to work.

Here's the origin of that Temple link (In case you think I'm pulling a fast one):

http://owlsports.cstv.com/auto_pdf/p_hot...tive-stats

Frog, you think there might be an explanation for the Navy and PSU game attendance being so high?

Jose_Jalapeno_on_a_Stick Wrote:Frog, you think there might be an explanation for the Navy and PSU game attendance being so high?

I have no idea. In truth some of those numbers shocked the heck out of me. Penn State fans seem to be real supportative of their team, even when they are playing an easy win. I guess Navy does the same.

But I'm hearing this is a new coach and a young team and maybe in two years, I dont' have to defend them. They already doubled coach Robinson's win's last year.

frogman Wrote:And people who live in Philly's suburbs root for a subdivision school from another state? Or will they root for a Philly school. And do all the Philly suburbs combined (The New Castle Counties and the Newark Delawares) make a market greater than the #4 market in the nation?

Philly fans will root for the Eagles - and nobody else.