flyingswoosh Wrote:i'm curious what y'all are thinking now. One of the big biggest choke jobs in finals history.

One of the biggest? Name a bigger one. That was hard to watch.

Brookes Owl Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:i'm curious what y'all are thinking now. One of the big biggest choke jobs in finals history.

One of the biggest? Name a bigger one. That was hard to watch.

i just didn't want to sound absolute about it. I was born in '87, so i missed over 30 years of the NBA. I had no idea how many collapses i wasn't around to see.

IDK.... Lakers did choke off a big one though.

Celtics D was unstoppable in 2nd half.

They have a better "team" where as the lakers are Kobe and role players. The Celtics have KG, PP, and Ray Allen.... plus Sam Cassell... and then they have role players. They are just more solid throughout.

flyingswoosh Wrote:i'm curious what y'all are thinking now. One of the big biggest choke jobs in finals history.

Don't tell me you couldn't watch that game, Terpy.

What was good about watching that game? The huge 24 point lead or the giant collapse, where it appeared as if the whole thing was scripted? It was funny, I was at a bar eating dinner and watching the game and the bartender and the guy next to me were talking about it being a blow out at the end of the 1st quarter when it was 30-12. My comment....."This is the NBA. It will be around a 5 point lead with 5 minutes to go in the 4th." Sure enough. I was laughing my ass off when I got back to my hotel room. The NBA is a sham-mockery. Watching that game made me throw-up a little bit in my mouth.

nbWWWa

blah Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:i'm curious what y'all are thinking now. One of the big biggest choke jobs in finals history.

Don't tell me you couldn't watch that game, Terpy.

What was good about watching that game? The huge 24 point lead or the giant collapse, where it appeared as if the whole thing was scripted? It was funny, I was at a bar eating dinner and watching the game and the bartender and the guy next to me were talking about it being a blow out at the end of the 1st quarter when it was 30-12. My comment....."This is the NBA. It will be around a 5 point lead with 5 minutes to go in the 4th." Sure enough. I was laughing my ass off when I got back to my hotel room. The NBA is a sham-mockery. Watching that game made me throw-up a little bit in my mouth.

what could possibly be bad about a comeback? Maybe there are a lot of them in the NBA because the players are so evenly matched, whereas in college its incredibly lopsided. I just don't know why a person would choose to watch a game with a much lower skill level.

blah Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:i'm curious what y'all are thinking now. One of the big biggest choke jobs in finals history.

Don't tell me you couldn't watch that game, Terpy.

What was good about watching that game? The huge 24 point lead or the giant collapse, where it appeared as if the whole thing was scripted? It was funny, I was at a bar eating dinner and watching the game and the bartender and the guy next to me were talking about it being a blow out at the end of the 1st quarter when it was 30-12. My comment....."This is the NBA. It will be around a 5 point lead with 5 minutes to go in the 4th." Sure enough. I was laughing my ass off when I got back to my hotel room. The NBA is a sham-mockery. Watching that game made me throw-up a little bit in my mouth.

This is spot on. I probably wouldn't be watching this series if the Lakers weren't in it. Most NBA games don't need to be watched until mid way through the 4th quarter, because a 20 point lead can be overcome in about 5 minutes of play.

flyingswoosh Wrote:

blah Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:i'm curious what y'all are thinking now. One of the big biggest choke jobs in finals history.

Don't tell me you couldn't watch that game, Terpy.

What was good about watching that game? The huge 24 point lead or the giant collapse, where it appeared as if the whole thing was scripted? It was funny, I was at a bar eating dinner and watching the game and the bartender and the guy next to me were talking about it being a blow out at the end of the 1st quarter when it was 30-12. My comment....."This is the NBA. It will be around a 5 point lead with 5 minutes to go in the 4th." Sure enough. I was laughing my ass off when I got back to my hotel room. The NBA is a sham-mockery. Watching that game made me throw-up a little bit in my mouth.

what could possibly be bad about a comeback? Maybe there are a lot of them in the NBA because the players are so evenly matched, whereas in college its incredibly lopsided. I just don't know why a person would choose to watch a game with a much lower skill level.

Your arguments don't make any sense. If they were truly evenly matched, you wouldn't see these huge 30-10 runs on both sides. There are only 3 possible ways this can happen....

1. The players aren't playing hard the whole time (likely).
2. The game is scripted (not likely, but entirely possible, especially given the new information).
3. The referees either intentionally or inadvertently are influencing the outcome of the games.

I don't really like soccer very much, but I have watched two Euro 2008 games and they have held my attention better than the NBA finals have. Note: Both games involved the Netherlands who have been scoring at an unprecedented rate, which maybe why the games seemed entertaining to me.

Lakers got real lucky tonight... this ends in 6!

Lakers in 7! Kobe has come alive and Pierce is looking tired.

Golden Eye Wrote:Lakers in 7! Kobe has come alive and Pierce is looking tired.

Nobody wants to reply because they saw Kobe steal the ball from Peirce and dunk to seal the win. The series is over. LA are the world champions.

I'd say this one's in the bag.

C's lead by 38 with 3 mins to play!

Golden Eye Wrote:

Golden Eye Wrote:Lakers in 7! Kobe has come alive and Pierce is looking tired.

Nobody wants to reply because they saw Kobe steal the ball from Peirce and dunk to seal the win. The series is over. LA are the world champions.

uhh, yeah. Maybe you wanna amend that statement? That was slaughter-ific.

i don't know why anyone would've picked the Lakers in the series. It was so obvious who the best team was.

are you convinced about KG yet?

KG is a beast, and Kobe's nowhere near MJ's level yet.

natejonesacc Wrote:KG is a beast, and Kobe's nowhere near MJ's level yet.

tell me about it. can we agree to shelve all of the 'kobe's on MJ's level' talk? I honestly thought lebron was better anyway, but that's just me.

BTW, blah, i haven't backed out of our conversation about college vs. nba, i've just been a little too busy to bring up some old articles.

Now that this series is over..

I hope noone is thinking about comparing this Celtics/Lakers series to the ones back in the '80s -- because, 1) there is NO comparison, and 2)... well, #1 is the only reason necessary.

This NBA is so watered down due to expansion to where your team will only have 2-3 stars, max. The 80's (and early 90s) NBA saw its good teams with 3-4 stars and on a roster, plus a couple of VERY GOOD bench players.

Thought #2 -- anyone else besides me think that Boston-San Antonio would have been a better matchup...?

Thought #3 -- I agree with blah (and not because I may or may not have been seduced by his signature) in that the referees played WAY too much of a role, starting with Game 4 of the Western Conference Semis.

MongoSlade Wrote:Now that this series is over..

I hope noone is thinking about comparing this Celtics/Lakers series to the ones back in the '80s -- because, 1) there is NO comparison, and 2)... well, #1 is the only reason necessary.

This NBA is so watered down due to expansion to where your team will only have 2-3 stars, max. The 80's (and early 90s) NBA saw its good teams with 3-4 stars and on a roster, plus a couple of VERY GOOD bench players.

Thought #2 -- anyone else besides me think that Boston-San Antonio would have been a better matchup...?

Thought #3 -- I agree with blah (and not because I may or may not have been seduced by his signature) in that the referees played WAY too much of a role, starting with Game 4 of the Western Conference Semis.

that's all pro sports though, not just NBA. Look at how weak the NL is this season.

and no, san antonio would've gotten blown out, especially with ginobili's injury problems. WHy do you think they didn't beat the lakers?

i'd like to point out something else: do people finally understand why the grizzlies didn't wanna build around gasol? You can't build around a soft big man.

flyingswoosh Wrote:

Brookes Owl Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:celtics in 5

5? You've got to be kidding me. Is this just anti-LA bias talking, or do you have a basketball-related reason for thinking the Lakers will only be able to win 1 of 3 in Los Angeles (I'm assuming you can't possibly believe that they'll go 1-1 in Boston and then get swept in LA)?

I won't say you shouldn't favor the Celtics (even though I don't) but this seems extreme.

my basketball related reason is that i don't think the Lakers can bang down low with perkins and garnett. They don't have the physical skill.

Good call here. You missed it by one but your rationale was spot on.

flyingswoosh Wrote:i don't know why anyone would've picked the Lakers in the series. It was so obvious who the best team was.

Sheesh. It's not good enough to say "I told you so" but you also have to insult those who disagreed with you (including plenty of rational basketball experts)? What are you, 12?

flyingswoosh Wrote:are you convinced about KG yet?

I didn't weigh in on this debate originally, but no. Not at all. KG is a great rebounder and had an excellent game last night, but he also seems to check out sometimes in pressure situations. I saw some poor decision making and sketchy offense from him in this series (and the playoffs). His defense was generally very good, but that's also attributable to the stifling team defense that the Celtics employ. Not saying he's not a great player, I just don't think he's at Duncan's level. Not yet anyway.

Look, here's the straight truth about KG. He's not as good as Duncan because Duncan can overpower people in a way no PF in the history of the NBA has ever done. Add in his mid-range game and Duncan is the best PF ever.

Nevertheless, KG is one of the top 5 players in the NBA. His game is totally complete; minus a little strength that would help him down low. But have you ever seen a seven-footer with as sweet a stroke?