EvilVodka1 Wrote:Facts:
* Virginia Tech beat 7 teams with winning records

Why am I not suprised that a MWC apologist comes to our board to defend the ACC and talk smack against the WAC and Big East. Two members of the Axis of Evil taking up for each other. That's a real suprise. The ACC and MWC..they both think more highly of themselves than they should....LOL

Has the MWC commissioner figured out how to take the Big East's BCS bid yet...LOL That is what he said isn't it?

Hawaii did exactly what VT did last year. Both made BCS bowls and both lost. Keep in mind both got spanked by the SEC too...LOL

Now run along back to the MWC board and continue plotting how you are going to take the Big East's BCS bid. Shag goats or whatever else you folks do out there in flyover country. Either way we'll be right here laughing at you.
CJ

EvilVodka1 Wrote:

EvilVodka1 Wrote:

Jose_Jalapeno_on_a_Stick Wrote:

EvilVodka1 Wrote:

CardinalJim Wrote:

MichaelSavage Wrote:If they are so bad why did they split the season series with the Big East last year? And I'm not an ACC fan, I just can look at things objectively. And any objective observer of college football would tell you that Hawaii wouldn't have run the table in the ACC last year.

And frankly, after the 2007 season it's amusing to see a Louisville fan talking football smack.

I wouldn't claim to be an ACC fan either. Hawaii was a good as the champion of your conference. They accomplished as much as your conference champion did with the same result.

If you think Hawaii was as good as Virginia Tech, you're woefully uneducated in college football...

VT wasn't the greatest team last year, but they've got athletes, along with a stodgy D

Hawaii had no athletes...none

They looked like a high school team compared to Georgia, and the size and speed of Hawaii (or lack of) became apparent as the game went on...

Hawaii got by on a weak schedule, a QB with alot of heart, and a pass-happy offense implemented by June Jones...thats it

Actually, that argument holds no water. VT looked like a HS team vs. LSU as well.

Ok, let me back up God-gifted common sense with actual facts

Here are Hawaii's opponents last year and their records:
IAA Northern Colorado (don't know their record, as if it mattered)
Louisiana Tech (5-7)
UNLV (2-10)
IAA Charleston Southern
Idaho (1-11)
Utah St. (2-10)
San Jose St. (5-7)
New Mexico St. (4-9)
Fresno St. (9-4)
Nevada (6-7)
Boise St. (10-3)
Washington (4-9)

Now additional facts:
* They beat only 2 teams with winning records, and both were home games
* 5 wins were by single digits
* The combined record of teams they played on the road was 19-42

I'll post stuff on Virginia Tech after I get a bite to eat

Virginia Tech's schedule:
East Carolina (8-5)
LSU (12-2)
Ohio (6-6)
IAA William & Mary
North Carolina (4-8)
Clemson (9-4)
Duke (1-11)
Boston College (11-3)
Georgia Tech (7-6)
FSU (7-6)
Miami (5-7)
Virginia (9-4)
Boston College (11-3)

Facts:
* Virginia Tech beat 7 teams with winning records

Facts: 3 of the 4 quality wins were in the ACC thus we don't have a clue how good VT really is since the ACC has been shaky. I mean, if the Big East gets ripped for winning big games in conference so should the ACC. The other win is against ECU, at the beginning of year in an emotional home game so that is a bad barometer. Meanwhile LSU treated Virginia Tech the same way Georgia treated Hawaii.

CatsClaw Wrote:

EvilVodka1 Wrote:

Jose_Jalapeno_on_a_Stick Wrote:

EvilVodka1 Wrote:

CardinalJim Wrote:

MichaelSavage Wrote:If they are so bad why did they split the season series with the Big East last year? And I'm not an ACC fan, I just can look at things objectively. And any objective observer of college football would tell you that Hawaii wouldn't have run the table in the ACC last year.

And frankly, after the 2007 season it's amusing to see a Louisville fan talking football smack.

I wouldn't claim to be an ACC fan either. Hawaii was a good as the champion of your conference. They accomplished as much as your conference champion did with the same result.

If you think Hawaii was as good as Virginia Tech, you're woefully uneducated in college football...

VT wasn't the greatest team last year, but they've got athletes, along with a stodgy D

Hawaii had no athletes...none

They looked like a high school team compared to Georgia, and the size and speed of Hawaii (or lack of) became apparent as the game went on...

Hawaii got by on a weak schedule, a QB with alot of heart, and a pass-happy offense implemented by June Jones...thats it

Actually, that argument holds no water. VT looked like a HS team vs. LSU as well.

Ok, let me back up God-gifted common sense with actual facts

Here are Hawaii's opponents last year and their records:
IAA Northern Colorado (don't know their record, as if it mattered)
Louisiana Tech (5-7)
UNLV (2-10)
IAA Charleston Southern
Idaho (1-11)
Utah St. (2-10)
San Jose St. (5-7)
New Mexico St. (4-9)
Fresno St. (9-4)
Nevada (6-7)
Boise St. (10-3)
Washington (4-9)

Now additional facts:
* They beat only 2 teams with winning records, and both were home games
* 5 wins were by single digits
* The combined record of teams they played on the road was 19-42

I'll post stuff on Virginia Tech after I get a bite to eat

Here is Tech's schedule:

East Carolina
at LSU
Ohio
William & Mary
North Carolina
at Clemson
at Duke
Boston College
at Georgia Tech
Florida State
Miami-FL
at Virginia
at Boston College
Kansas



Solid, but not exactly murderer's row. And considering that Virginia Tech lost (or were even massacred), in the three games against Top tier teams (by the time they beat Boston College in the rematch Boston College was a shell of their previous meeting) I'm not overly impressed.

The only team VT was "massacred" by was LSU...they blew a last second comeback to Matt Ryan, and lost by a field goal to Kansas after Sean Glennon threw a couple of picks

But its all beside the point really...if you knew what you were talking about, you'd know that Hawaii just had no athletes as was exposed by Georgia...their line was pourous, and they just got manhandled

maybe this will remind you:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eHzcBKi4p6Q&feature=related

VT was overrated last year, but they were still head and shoulders above Hawaii simply because they have athletes on D

VT had a top 5 defense last year in both Total D and Scoring D...you gotta think VT would have had similar success against Hawaii's offense

Like I said before, Hawaii got by on a weak schedule, a QB with alot of heart, and June Jones's offensive system

CardinalJim Wrote:

EvilVodka1 Wrote:Facts:
* Virginia Tech beat 7 teams with winning records

Why am I not suprised that a MWC apologist comes to our board to defend the ACC and talk smack against the WAC and Big East. Two members of the Axis of Evil taking up for each other. That's a real suprise. The ACC and MWC..they both think more highly of themselves than they should....LOL

Has the MWC commissioner figured out how to take the Big East's BCS bid yet...LOL That is what he said isn't it?

Hawaii did exactly what VT did last year. Both made BCS bowls and both lost. Keep in mind both got spanked by the SEC too...LOL

Now run along back to the MWC board and continue plotting how you are going to take the Big East's BCS bid. Shag goats or whatever else you folks do out there in flyover country. Either way we'll be right here laughing at you.
CJ

VT: 7 wins over teams with winning records
Hawaii: 2

VT had 8 players taken in the NFL draft
Hawaii had one...Colt Brennan

http://www.nfl.com/draft/tracker#tab:dt-...college-28

c'mon, you can't be this naive about the quality of athletes

CatsClaw Wrote:

EvilVodka1 Wrote:

EvilVodka1 Wrote:

Jose_Jalapeno_on_a_Stick Wrote:

EvilVodka1 Wrote:

CardinalJim Wrote:

MichaelSavage Wrote:If they are so bad why did they split the season series with the Big East last year? And I'm not an ACC fan, I just can look at things objectively. And any objective observer of college football would tell you that Hawaii wouldn't have run the table in the ACC last year.

And frankly, after the 2007 season it's amusing to see a Louisville fan talking football smack.

I wouldn't claim to be an ACC fan either. Hawaii was a good as the champion of your conference. They accomplished as much as your conference champion did with the same result.

If you think Hawaii was as good as Virginia Tech, you're woefully uneducated in college football...

VT wasn't the greatest team last year, but they've got athletes, along with a stodgy D

Hawaii had no athletes...none

They looked like a high school team compared to Georgia, and the size and speed of Hawaii (or lack of) became apparent as the game went on...

Hawaii got by on a weak schedule, a QB with alot of heart, and a pass-happy offense implemented by June Jones...thats it

Actually, that argument holds no water. VT looked like a HS team vs. LSU as well.

Ok, let me back up God-gifted common sense with actual facts

Here are Hawaii's opponents last year and their records:
IAA Northern Colorado (don't know their record, as if it mattered)
Louisiana Tech (5-7)
UNLV (2-10)
IAA Charleston Southern
Idaho (1-11)
Utah St. (2-10)
San Jose St. (5-7)
New Mexico St. (4-9)
Fresno St. (9-4)
Nevada (6-7)
Boise St. (10-3)
Washington (4-9)

Now additional facts:
* They beat only 2 teams with winning records, and both were home games
* 5 wins were by single digits
* The combined record of teams they played on the road was 19-42

I'll post stuff on Virginia Tech after I get a bite to eat

Virginia Tech's schedule:
East Carolina (8-5)
LSU (12-2)
Ohio (6-6)
IAA William & Mary
North Carolina (4-8)
Clemson (9-4)
Duke (1-11)
Boston College (11-3)
Georgia Tech (7-6)
FSU (7-6)
Miami (5-7)
Virginia (9-4)
Boston College (11-3)

Facts:
* Virginia Tech beat 7 teams with winning records

Facts: 3 of the 4 quality wins were in the ACC thus we don't have a clue how good VT really is since the ACC has been shaky. I mean, if the Big East gets ripped for winning big games in conference so should the ACC. The other win is against ECU, at the beginning of year in an emotional home game so that is a bad barometer. Meanwhile LSU treated Virginia Tech the same way Georgia treated Hawaii.

wow, thats some interesting qualitative rationalizing...

I don't see how that gets around the fact that VT beat 7 schools with winning records, and Hawaii beat 2, regardless of which team was in which conference

CardinalJim Wrote:

EvilVodka1 Wrote:Facts:
* Virginia Tech beat 7 teams with winning records

Why am I not suprised that a MWC apologist comes to our board to defend the ACC and talk smack against the WAC and Big East. Two members of the Axis of Evil taking up for each other. That's a real suprise. The ACC and MWC..they both think more highly of themselves than they should....LOL

Has the MWC commissioner figured out how to take the Big East's BCS bid yet...LOL That is what he said isn't it?

Hawaii did exactly what VT did last year. Both made BCS bowls and both lost. Keep in mind both got spanked by the SEC too...LOL

Now run along back to the MWC board and continue plotting how you are going to take the Big East's BCS bid. Shag goats or whatever else you folks do out there in flyover country. Either way we'll be right here laughing at you.
CJ

I thought I would revisit this post...this is a pretty classless post

I'm not only an MWC "apologist", but I'm a long time Florida State fan, an LSU alum, and just a fan of college football in general

I don't think I've seen such a pathetic representation of a fan quite like I have with this post

EvilVodka1 Wrote:

CardinalJim Wrote:

EvilVodka1 Wrote:Facts:
* Virginia Tech beat 7 teams with winning records

Why am I not suprised that a MWC apologist comes to our board to defend the ACC and talk smack against the WAC and Big East. Two members of the Axis of Evil taking up for each other. That's a real suprise. The ACC and MWC..they both think more highly of themselves than they should....LOL

Has the MWC commissioner figured out how to take the Big East's BCS bid yet...LOL That is what he said isn't it?

Hawaii did exactly what VT did last year. Both made BCS bowls and both lost. Keep in mind both got spanked by the SEC too...LOL

Now run along back to the MWC board and continue plotting how you are going to take the Big East's BCS bid. Shag goats or whatever else you folks do out there in flyover country. Either way we'll be right here laughing at you.
CJ

I thought I would revisit this post...this is a pretty classless post

Look who's talkin' 'bout class...

L-yes Wrote:

MichaelSavage Wrote:

CardinalJim Wrote:

MichaelSavage Wrote:I would ask Georgia. In my opinion, Hawaii's performance in the last Sugar Bowl all but erased what Boise did in 2006.

So now a Non-BCS team losing in one year eliminates the achievements of another Non-BCS team the previous. I can clearly see the logic in that.

How about this...
Does the poor performance of a particular BCS conference, like say the ACC (1-9 in BCS contests) underscore how pathetic the football is that's played there? Your logic, not mine.

Bottomline is Hawaii would have walked through the ACC last year. If they had been matched up with Kansas, I'm sure they would have performed as well as the ACC Champ did. Afterall they performed as well as the ACC Champ did, they lost.
CJ

Nobody seriously believes Hawaii would have walked through the ACC last year. Using your logic, the SoCon was better than the Big Ten last year since Appy State beat Michigan.

I agree with you. There is an awful lot of crazy talk going on these boards right now. Everyone is not equal, everyone does not earn a piece of the pie. There are a few programs on the outside looking in that have a legit argument or if given the chance could earn a slice. The vast majority on the outside of the BCS do not deserve a piece and should be playing in the playoff division. I know there are the Duke's of the world who really don't deserve to be playing at the highest level but they are the exception and are in the club due to association. Bemoaning the fact that North Texas won't get a shot at Michigan in a tournament is laughable.

I concur. And since when did one game become the barometer of an entire conference? Boise State beat OU in the Fiesta Bowl, so I guess all of a sudden Nevada is better than Texas. It's laughable.