the new Jan 2 date for this bowl game. will be played same day as cotton and sugar bowl..

Liberty is certainlly turning out well for C-USA. If the B-12 leaves the Independence bowl, can C-USA offer #2 & get this game. You have to figure, BE offers #4, ACC offers #7, MWC offers #2, B-10 might offer #7, WAC might offer #1.

Well it would likely open up the same time as rest of bowls get reworked, so I would think yes. I really doubt that SEC would want 2 games vs CUSA though.. ACC would be more likely as a replacement for emerald.

goodknightfl Wrote:the new Jan 2 date for this bowl game. will be played same day as cotton and sugar bowl..

It sounds like a good date for the Liberty Bowl and is setting it's self up for a really nice TV ratings.

For the last couple yrs, with B-12 talking about leaving the Independence & ACC talking about bowls closer to home. I tought Emerald & Independence would flop ACC & B-12, also tought ACC would end up in GMAC. However things have changed since then, For one, who does the B-12 think is gonna pay the 1.1 million for 6-6 team. Also, If GMAC wants to go Sun Belt with So Ala looking to move up, ACC might have 2nd toughts on GMAC.
However, I wanted to talk about Independence bowl. I could see B-12 moving to Emerald & I agree SEC would do alot of talking about playing another C-USA school. It's also going to tough for the SEC to find another bowl to pay 1.1 million for 6-6 school.
Alot is going to depend on the local support if this bowl continues, granted They would look at BCS conf 1st. BE would be offer #4 with ND in the mix, ACC would offer #7 which is 6 or 7 win school that does not travell well, B-10 could offer #7 but latelly has been having trouble getting 8 schools eligable with 2 BCS berths. SEC might accept B-10 & takes chance on at-large. So Car sat at home last yr & did not play Ala in the regular season. I would not doupt SEC wants them to at least contact Pac-10 about #6. Pac-10 might be intrested in bumbing Poinsetta & Haw down for shot at SEC & more money
If Salt Lake bowl gets shot down, MWC would offer #2. With all thier bowls on campus, I'm sure the would love to get away & play BCS school. WAC could offer #1 & with local support might work. A real bonus would be BYU going indepentent & being part of WAC bowl package. Certainly C-USA is going to offer #2
Last yr these are the schools that would have been avaiable from above conf [Cin, Perdue, GaT, Cali, AF, Boise & Tulsa]
As much as this bowl gets trashed, with it's payout. Bowl can still be attrative

Could Independence bowl surive as C-USA #2 vs MWC #2 or WAC #1 or 2

templefootballfan Wrote:For the last couple yrs, with B-12 talking about leaving the Independence & ACC talking about bowls closer to home. I tought Emerald & Independence would flop ACC & B-12, also tought ACC would end up in GMAC. However things have changed since then, For one, who does the B-12 think is gonna pay the 1.1 million for 6-6 team. Also, If GMAC wants to go Sun Belt with So Ala looking to move up, ACC might have 2nd toughts on GMAC.
However, I wanted to talk about Independence bowl. I could see B-12 moving to Emerald & I agree SEC would do alot of talking about playing another C-USA school. It's also going to tough for the SEC to find another bowl to pay 1.1 million for 6-6 school.
Alot is going to depend on the local support if this bowl continues, granted They would look at BCS conf 1st. BE would be offer #4 with ND in the mix, ACC would offer #7 which is 6 or 7 win school that does not travell well, B-10 could offer #7 but latelly has been having trouble getting 8 schools eligable with 2 BCS berths. SEC might accept B-10 & takes chance on at-large. So Car sat at home last yr & did not play Ala in the regular season. I would not doupt SEC wants them to at least contact Pac-10 about #6. Pac-10 might be intrested in bumbing Poinsetta & Haw down for shot at SEC & more money
If Salt Lake bowl gets shot down, MWC would offer #2. With all thier bowls on campus, I'm sure the would love to get away & play BCS school. WAC could offer #1 & with local support might work. A real bonus would be BYU going indepentent & being part of WAC bowl package. Certainly C-USA is going to offer #2
Last yr these are the schools that would have been avaiable from above conf [Cin, Perdue, GaT, Cali, AF, Boise & Tulsa]
As much as this bowl gets trashed, with it's payout. Bowl can still be attrative

From what I have read, the MWC wants no part of the Independence Bowl, even if it does pay $1.1 million. Now the Emerald Bowl is a different matter, the MWC was very disappointed to not retain their tie-in to the Emerald Bowl the last go around. Location plays a major factor in what Bowls the MWC wants for it's tie-ins. The Liberty Bowl pays around $1.5 million, but the MWC elected not resign with the Bowl, because of it's location. It was very expensive for MWC teams and fans to travel to, in fact I don't think any MWC team ever sold their allotted 10,000 tickets. It seems like BYU was only able to sell a little over 8,000 tickets in 2001 and BYU reported they lost money going to the game. Now in the case of BYU and the Las Vegas Bowl, BYU has made a boat load of money going there. I didn't notice it in 2005, but in 2006 BYU charge an extra $25 processing fee per ticket (sold $50 tickets for $75). So they sold around 22,000 tickets (12,000 allotment, Oregon gave BYU 6,000 of their allotment, and Las Vegas Bowl gave BYU another 4,000 tickets from temporary seating that was brought in after all tickets were sold). Doing the math: $25 x 22,000 = $550,000 BYU made just by charging a processing fee in 2006. In 2007 they sold around 18,000 tickets (their 12,000 tickets and UCLA gave BYU around 7,000 of their alloted tickets), so $25 x 19,000 = $475,000 extra in 2007. I used rough numbers, but know matter how you look at it that's a lot of money that BYU made extra... Because they still made money for playing in the Bowl (travel expenses) and their share of the MWC Bowl distributed monies. I noticed that BYU again charge a $10 processing fee per tickets sold for their NCAA Basketball Tournament game against Texas A&M, but Texas A&M also charge their fans a processing fee per ticket (it was $25).

As far as BYU going independent, it's not going to happen. BYU's AD came out and said so, a few months ago. He said something to the effect that BYU is very happy in the MWC and planned on staying in the MWC for a very long time. There is a lot of history between BYU and most of the MWC teams (football):
Air Force- 28 games, first was in 1956
Colorado St- 66 games, first was in 1922
New Mexico- 57 games, first was in 1951
San Diego St- 32 games, first was in 1947
TCU- 7 games, first was in 1987
UNLV- 15 games, first was in 1978
Utah- 83 games, first was in 1922
Wyoming- 74 games, first was in 1922

templefootballfan Wrote:Could Independence bowl surive as C-USA #2 vs MWC #2 or WAC #1 or 2

I have doubts the Big 12 leaves. but if it does..SEC will not. I think most logical would end up ACC #7 vs SEC #8. Gmac ends up either CUSA/Sunbelt , or Mac. If big 12 leaves Inde.. emerald would be possible as would St pete. though I have a feeling ESPN is pushing BE and CUSA right now.. so I'm not sure St pete would change. U may see BE push for full time in houston vs big 12.. or a every other year deal with houston and armed forces.. then they could drop Papa johns. Sunbelt could end up in gmac vs CUSA, or Mac. and Papa johns vs CUSA. Mac and cusa would each have either papa johns or Nawlins. Its gonna be interesting watching to see how it all shakes out.

You don't think BYU will go indendent. What if NBC or CBS offer them TV contract for 7 home games at 3 million dollars. I would think that BYU does sch alliance with BE, 55,000 in Philly. BYU fills all them NFL stadiums. WAC would work just fine for BB & other sports, as matter fact WAC TV money goes up with addition of BYU

templefootballfan Wrote:You don't think BYU will go indendent. What if NBC or CBS offer them TV contract for 7 home games at 3 million dollars. I would think that BYU does sch alliance with BE, 55,000 in Philly. BYU fills all them NFL stadiums. WAC would work just fine for BB & other sports, as matter fact WAC TV money goes up with addition of BYU

BYU will not go independent, the only reason it was even brought up was a bluff to try to leverage to get the mtn on Direct TV and to kind of appease a few big dollar donors. BYU does not want to leave Utah and to a lesser extent Wyoming, Colorado St, New Mexico, and Air Force in that order. Also there is a large following of fans in Las Vegas and San Diego (large LDS population base). In fact some refer to Sam Boyd Stadium in Las Vegas as the LaVell Edwards Stadium South. BYU and TCU are quickly building a very good relationship, for some very good games...

what would you think if BYU did go indepentent, would like CBS contract, BE sch Alliance, Part of BE & WAC bowls, WAC BB. GOOD move or Dumb

templefootballfan Wrote:what would you think if BYU did go indepentent, would like CBS contract, BE sch Alliance, Part of BE & WAC bowls, WAC BB. GOOD move or Dumb

As a BYU fan I never see it happening. I'm one of the strange BYU fans were I actually like Utah a lot too and normally root for them when they are not playing BYU. Also growing up and living most of my life in Idaho, I've always been a Boise St fan. For years BYU was my favorite D1 school and Boise St was my favorite D1AA school. Now Boise St probably falls behind both BYU and Utah...