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I feel Schaudenfreude.
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georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:
THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:I included all candidates on the SC ballot

Not even close.
- Hugh Cort
- John Cox
- Cap Fendig
- Tom Tancredo

I thought Colbert made it onto the SC ballot.
01-21-2008 04:28 PM
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georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:
THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:I included all candidates on the SC ballot

Not even close.
- Hugh Cort
- John Cox
- Cap Fendig
- Tom Tancredo

Ok so those reported by the fair and balanced outlet as getting votes. 04-bow
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WMD Owl Wrote:Being from Texas I CANNOT support McCain under any circumstances - the "Amigo" of Illegal Aliens.

If it is Hillary vs. McCain in the general election, WTF is the difference?

are you prepared to do that, if it means giving them the whitehouse while they have the Senate and Congress at same time. Not to mention the Cabinet would be full of Janet Reno's and there would be between 2 to 4 SCOTUS nominees coming down the pipe.

it wouldn't be so bad for one term, if they didn't have the congress already. last time they held all 3, they taxed and regulated everything they could keep from being filibustered. and of course the FP blunders and slashing the military in half.

of course we got 1994 thanks to that, 2010 would likely be similar. the question is if it'd be worth it.

I can't stand McCain, but atleast he's competent on Foreign Policy. Politics is a team sport, for better or worse.
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WMD Owl Wrote:Being from Texas I CANNOT support McCain under any circumstances - the "Amigo" of Illegal Aliens.

If it is Hillary vs. McCain in the general election, WTF is the difference?

I feel the same about Romney as the nominee. Massachusetts was a safe haven state, and his position on so many issues continues to change. I just don't trust him.
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WMD Owl Wrote:Being from Texas I CANNOT support McCain under any circumstances - the "Amigo" of Illegal Aliens.

If it is Hillary vs. McCain in the general election, WTF is the difference?

I feel the same about Romney as the nominee. Massachusetts was a safe haven state, and his position on so many issues continues to change. I just don't trust him.

think of Romney as a Mass. John Edwards.

both pandered to the base of the state(conservatives in NC) and Liberals in Mass. to get elected. Romney didn't govern near as liberal as they'd like, and was set to be a one term fluke......Edwards, told NC voters he'd vote like Jesse Helms more times than not and would be very moderate to conservative. Of course that was a lie and he would never have been re-elected, so he jumped straight to running for Pres.

I think all the Repub. nominees would govern Center-Right. Which is better than Center-Left, or straight up Left if they get the Whitehouse and Congress at same time.

McCain has a lifetime American Conservative Union(ACU) rating around 80 I beleive, much better than Hillary and Obama who hover around 0. and of course CinC is the most important job the potus has.
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Right now Romney and Thompson hold down the 3 legs of Conservatism. Economic, Social and Foreign Policy. of course Romney had to flip flop on a few. but Thompson staying in is probably hurting Romney a little.

Huckabee holds down the Social Conservatism mantle well, and is suspect on the others. It should be noted though the governing environment he had to govern under was strong Democrat.

Rudy holds down 2 of the mantles and is missing the Social Con mantle obviously, but claims he'd nominate Originalist judges like Scalia and Roberts.

then McCain, whose all over the place but does have an ACU ranking of around 80.

the question is which leg would stay home or vote 3rd party if they don't get what they want. Odds are the Social Cons., or signifcant percentage of them. Which is why Huckabee could be a VP choice option.
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Giuliani now trails McCain by average of 10% in New York in the three latest polls! 04-jawdrop McCain also with big leads in Connecticut, and Pennsylvania. Polls may not mean much in Florida with almost 40% of expected votes already cast in the Republican primary, but McCain leads in most but latest Rasmussen has Romney +5.
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GGniner Wrote:Right now Romney and Thompson hold down the 3 legs of Conservatism. Economic, Social and Foreign Policy. of course Romney had to flip flop on a few. but Thompson staying in is probably hurting Romney a little.

Huckabee holds down the Social Conservatism mantle well, and is suspect on the others. It should be noted though the governing environment he had to govern under was strong Democrat.

Rudy holds down 2 of the mantles and is missing the Social Con mantle obviously, but claims he'd nominate Originalist judges like Scalia and Roberts.

then McCain, whose all over the place but does have an ACU ranking of around 80.

the question is which leg would stay home or vote 3rd party if they don't get what they want. Odds are the Social Cons., or signifcant percentage of them. Which is why Huckabee could be a VP choice option.

I totally agree with about the 3 legs of todays conservatism and these candidates fit the bill.

Economic....Continue to print more fiat currency and add to inflation with total confidence.

Social.....Be so concerned about the rights of the UNBORN and pander to the religous right so hard... that they hope that
us sheep will forget that they care NOTHING about the citizens that they steal from through immoral taxation.

Foreign Policy....Continue the rampant US empirialism worldwide and seek to defend abroad those that no longer need defending.
Continue to ingnore those of us who would rather not support and defend lands outside the US through the theft of their wages.

Yes... Id say these gentlemen ARE todays republican party...A party that I dont know anymore.
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Fo Shizzle Wrote:I totally agree with about the 3 legs of todays conservatism and these candidates fit the bill.

Economic....Continue to print more fiat currency and add to inflation with total confidence.

Social.....Be so concerned about the rights of the UNBORN and pander to the religous right so hard... that they hope that
us sheep will forget that they care NOTHING about the citizens that they steal from through immoral taxation.

Foreign Policy....Continue the rampant US empirialism worldwide and seek to defend abroad those that no longer need defending.
Continue to ingnore those of us who would rather not support and defend lands outside the US through the theft of their wages.

Yes... Id say these gentlemen ARE todays republican party...A party that I dont know anymore.

EPIC POST. 04-bow

Don't forget on the social front:
- Gay marriage ... because this is America, and we have to be bigoted towards SOMEBODY now don't we?
- War on Drugs / Marijuana ... because Uncle Sam should take away marijuana from glaucoma and terminal cancer patients ... we all know our Congress Critters know far more than any doctor on these matters. And hey, marijuana will be the downfall of civilized society. Alcohol and tobacco are far safer drugs.
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GGniner Wrote:are you prepared to do that, if it means giving them the whitehouse while they have the Senate and Congress at same time. Not to mention the Cabinet would be full of Janet Reno's and there would be between 2 to 4 SCOTUS nominees coming down the pipe.

it wouldn't be so bad for one term, if they didn't have the congress already. last time they held all 3, they taxed and regulated everything they could keep from being filibustered. and of course the FP blunders and slashing the military in half.

of course we got 1994 thanks to that, 2010 would likely be similar. the question is if it'd be worth it.

If there was any guarantee of a change to a more conservative Congress, McCain would be tolerable for a term. But there isn't.

The Democrats will control the House and the Senate. The Dems won't have 60 votes in the Senate, but still...

McCain, with his history of sellouts --Campaign Finance "Reform".. and Illegal Alien Amnesty ...doesn't have the guts to exercise a veto..
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georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:
Fo Shizzle Wrote:I totally agree with about the 3 legs of todays conservatism and these candidates fit the bill.

Economic....Continue to print more fiat currency and add to inflation with total confidence.

Social.....Be so concerned about the rights of the UNBORN and pander to the religous right so hard... that they hope that
us sheep will forget that they care NOTHING about the citizens that they steal from through immoral taxation.

Foreign Policy....Continue the rampant US empirialism worldwide and seek to defend abroad those that no longer need defending.
Continue to ingnore those of us who would rather not support and defend lands outside the US through the theft of their wages.

Yes... Id say these gentlemen ARE todays republican party...A party that I dont know anymore.

EPIC POST. 04-bow

Don't forget on the social front:
- Gay marriage ... because this is America, and we have to be bigoted towards SOMEBODY now don't we?
- War on Drugs / Marijuana ... because Uncle Sam should take away marijuana from glaucoma and terminal cancer patients ... we all know our Congress Critters know far more than any doctor on these matters. And hey, marijuana will be the downfall of civilized society. Alcohol and tobacco are far safer drugs.

this04-cheers
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georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:
THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:I included all candidates on the SC ballot

Not even close.
- Hugh Cort
- John Cox
- Cap Fendig
- Tom Tancredo

I wish Cap Fendig would get back to doing the job he was actually elected to (and is being paid for), At-Large member of the Glynn County Board of Commissioners.
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Well, Thompson will probably throw in the towel this morning...

And no surprise, Huckabee is running very short of money in Florida....

And Rudy is trailing in Florida to McCain. Rudy blew a lot of money in Florida.

Seesh-- a "Not So Super" Tuesday between Romney and McCain...03-puke
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WMD Owl Wrote:If there was any guarantee of a change to a more conservative Congress, McCain would be tolerable for a term. But there isn't.

The Democrats will control the House and the Senate. The Dems won't have 60 votes in the Senate, but still...

McCain, with his history of sellouts --Campaign Finance "Reform".. and Illegal Alien Amnesty ...doesn't have the guts to exercise a veto..

I noticed last night that Jack Kemp of Club for Growth, former VP nominee and NFL quarterback, came out in support of McCain. That is suppose to be a 'wink, wink' to economic conservatives about where McCain is headed.
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My problem with McCain isn't his fiscal policy, he's about as conservative as you can be on that. It's his immigration view.

That in and of itself will make it very hard for me to pull the lever for him, even if Hillary is on the other side.
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Ninerfan1 Wrote:My problem with McCain isn't his fiscal policy, he's about as conservative as you can be on that. It's his immigration view.

That in and of itself will make it very hard for me to pull the lever for him, even if Hillary is on the other side.


I really doubt that Hillary's views on immigration are much better than McCain's........so for me, if it's a choice between these two, it's McCain no doubt.

I'm still really hoping that Obama can secure the Dem. nomination over Hillary. I'd vote for any candidate on either ticket before Hillary, period. She scares me more than any other.
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Ninerfan1 Wrote:My problem with McCain isn't his fiscal policy, he's about as conservative as you can be on that. It's his immigration view.

That in and of itself will make it very hard for me to pull the lever for him, even if Hillary is on the other side.


I really doubt that Hillary's views on immigration are much better than McCain's........so for me, if it's a choice between these two, it's McCain no doubt.

I'm still really hoping that Obama can secure the Dem. nomination over Hillary. I'd vote for any candidate on either ticket before Hillary, period. She scares me more than any other.

Trust me, I'd never pull the lever for Hillary. I was just saying she might not be enough for me to pull it for McCain. I might not pull it at all.

Then again she is Hillary.04-jawdrop
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McCain or Rudy or Huckabee vs. Hillary/Obama

no way I'm not going the pragmatic route. Especially with Congress already being Dem, problems we face and the Commander in Chief part of this.

That's not to say I'd be a cheerleader for McCain if he got elected. Conservatives can through talk Radio and other outlets put his feet to the fire when/if he tries Amnesty and other liberal policies. So atleast there's a chance, and you guarantee some gridlock in other areas. with Hillary/obama there is no chance...the payoff in 2010 and 2012 would probably be nice, but the damage done before then could be irreversiable.
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with Fred out, who does that hurt going into Florida and Super Tuesday?

my guess is some sort of split between Romney and Huckabee, the Huckster is out of money though.

no endorsement from Fred, if he's holding out for VP I see one problem with it. He, like Cheney, wouldnt' be a Presidential option down the road, too old and unhealthy.
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