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Iranian Speedboat vs. AEGIS Cruiser: Who Ya Got?
More evidence of a lack of unified command and control. Iranian Navy has to fight the fight the IRGC yahoos start..

This doesn't make sense unless the Iranians probably wanted to spike the price of crude for a couple of days..

This is how the "Hidden Imam" crap starts to happen..


WASHINGTON (AP) - An Iranian fleet of high-speed boats charged at and threatened to blow up a three-ship U.S. Navy convoy passing near Iranian waters, then vanished as the American ship commanders were preparing to open fire, the top U.S. Navy commander in the area said Monday.

The incident raised new tensions between Washington and Tehran as President Bush prepared to depart Tuesday on his first major trip to the Middle East.

The three U.S. warships - cruiser USS Port Royal, destroyer USS Hopper and frigate USS Ingraham - were headed into the Persian Gulf through the Straits of Hormuz on what the U.S. Navy called a routine passage inside international waters when they were approached by five small high-speed vessels believed to be from Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps Navy.

The Iranians "maneuvered aggressively" in the direction of the U.S. ships, said Vice Adm. Kevin Cosgriff, the commander of U.S. 5th Fleet, which patrols the Gulf and is based at nearby Bahrain. The U.S. ship commanders took a series of steps toward firing on the boats, which approached to within 500 yards, but the Iranians suddenly fled back toward their shore, Cosgriff said.

At one point the U.S. ships received a threatening radio call from the Iranians, "to the effect that they were closing (on) our ships and that the ships would explode - the U.S. ships would explode," Cosgriff said.

"Subsequently, two of these boats were observed dropping objects in the water, generally in the path of the final ship in the formation, the USS Ingraham," he added. "These objects were white, box-like objects that floated. And, obviously, the ship passed by them safely."

The boxes were not retrieved, so U.S. officials do not know whether they posed an actual threat. Cosgriff the U.S. ship commanders were moving through a standard series of actions - including radio calls to the Iranians that went unheeded - but did not reach the point of firing warning shots.

"We take this deadly seriously," Cosgriff told a Pentagon news conference via video link from Bahrain.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080107/D8U1AS1G5.html
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WMD Owl Wrote:More evidence of a lack of unified command and control. Iranian Navy has to fight the fight the IRGC yahoos start..

This doesn't make sense unless the Iranians probably wanted to spike the price of crude for a couple of days..

This is how the "Hidden Imam" crap starts to happen..


WASHINGTON (AP) - An Iranian fleet of high-speed boats charged at and threatened to blow up a three-ship U.S. Navy convoy passing near Iranian waters, then vanished as the American ship commanders were preparing to open fire, the top U.S. Navy commander in the area said Monday.

The incident raised new tensions between Washington and Tehran as President Bush prepared to depart Tuesday on his first major trip to the Middle East.

The three U.S. warships - cruiser USS Port Royal, destroyer USS Hopper and frigate USS Ingraham - were headed into the Persian Gulf through the Straits of Hormuz on what the U.S. Navy called a routine passage inside international waters when they were approached by five small high-speed vessels believed to be from Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps Navy.

The Iranians "maneuvered aggressively" in the direction of the U.S. ships, said Vice Adm. Kevin Cosgriff, the commander of U.S. 5th Fleet, which patrols the Gulf and is based at nearby Bahrain. The U.S. ship commanders took a series of steps toward firing on the boats, which approached to within 500 yards, but the Iranians suddenly fled back toward their shore, Cosgriff said.

At one point the U.S. ships received a threatening radio call from the Iranians, "to the effect that they were closing (on) our ships and that the ships would explode - the U.S. ships would explode," Cosgriff said.

"Subsequently, two of these boats were observed dropping objects in the water, generally in the path of the final ship in the formation, the USS Ingraham," he added. "These objects were white, box-like objects that floated. And, obviously, the ship passed by them safely."

The boxes were not retrieved, so U.S. officials do not know whether they posed an actual threat. Cosgriff the U.S. ship commanders were moving through a standard series of actions - including radio calls to the Iranians that went unheeded - but did not reach the point of firing warning shots.

"We take this deadly seriously," Cosgriff told a Pentagon news conference via video link from Bahrain.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080107/D8U1AS1G5.html
Well, a little speed boat worked against the Cole and this was more than one. Imaging the damage they could have done. They probably could have sunk the US ship.
01-08-2008 09:04 AM
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If one of the speed boats would have been able to get to the cruisers, they may have been able to do some damage. 500 yards is pretty close, though. I wonder how close they would have let the boats get before unleashing the fury.
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Fanatical Wrote:I wonder how close they would have let the boats get before unleashing the fury.

From watching the tape, I say maybe 3 seconds... they were closing in on the FFG trailing the formation, and if they hadn't veered off at the last second, they would have fired. Thye were very close to the frigate, but a good ways from the destroyer and cruiser.

20mm would have turned the Iranian boats into swiss cheese.

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Quote:This doesn't make sense unless the Iranians probably wanted to spike the price of crude for a couple of days..

This is how the "Hidden Imam" crap starts to happen..

I always figured, that if Iran attempts a modern version of the Arab Oil embargo, that they do it in the WInter time.

If they could get the price of oil up high enough, we have many elderly people in this country who would not be able to heat their homes....many of whom would die. this gives them alot of leverage against us obviously.
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I wonder if the Iranians have people investing in oil futures, too. A little extra income on the side.

Not sure what the spread is, but I'll take the Aegis Cruiser minus the points.
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Those speedboats are not a light threat. The Iranian's have been ordering N. Korean fast patrol boats that can travel upwards of 55+ kts. They use a simple strategy of charging full speed and relesasing harpoon type missiles before turning and running. While an aware and manned up US warship will hold an advantage, the fact they got so close still means that the Iranians could have done a ton of damage. I hate those *******. They're gonna make my life a little tougher for the next few years.
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WMD Owl Wrote:
Fanatical Wrote:I wonder how close they would have let the boats get before unleashing the fury.

From watching the tape, I say maybe 3 seconds...

News reports were saying they were in the process of issuing the order to fire right when it veered off.
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niuhuskie84 Wrote:News reports were saying they were in the process of issuing the order to fire right when it veered off.

The Navy knew the boats were out there.. they obviously had Seahawk Helicopters airborne, and the ships had their surface search radars on.

Passing through the Straits they were already at General Quarters.....

If the Iranians try it again, they will get blown out of the water.
Remember.. Captain Brindel, the CO of the USS Stark was forced into retirement.. Captain Rogers of the USS Vincennes retained his command and was decorated...
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I dont understand why the military didnt blast the living hell out this clowns...They initiated force...We would have been totally justified in protection of our vessles...Im glad the Navy showed its professionalism in this confrontation and hopefully the Iranians will not try this again.
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Fo Shizzle Wrote:I dont understand why the military didnt blast the living hell out this clowns...They initiated force...We would have been totally justified in protection of our vessles...

Speedboat Bluff in the Persian Gulf

by Austin Bay
January 9, 2008

Why would five Iranian speedboats bluff an attack on a U.S. Navy squadron?

Start with a big fact: Under the mullah-led thieves' regime, Iran has become an explosive political mix of ethnic, economic and ideological fragments, a mosaic powder keg.

The Ayatollah Khomeini's 1979 Islamic Revolution failed, then fossilized, leaving a corrupt junta of robed kleptocrats who use the dictator's classic tools of murder, terror and economic favoritism to control an impoverished, splintered and increasingly restless populace.

Moreover, factions within the mullahs' hierarchy spar with one another. Throwing a risky punch at the United States or Great Britain serves two distinct purposes. Armed bravado directed at "the Great Satan" and British imperialists appeals to Iranian nationalists -- at least, it has in the past. Khomeinist radicals, like Iranian president Mahmoud Amadinejad, contend that confrontation with the United States also strengthens them.

The reasoning may appear convoluted, wickedly Byzantine, but if Iran's domestic malaise continues to get worse, and domestic tensions seed violent street demonstrations, the most radical Khomeinists apparently believe dramatic attacks on U.S. forces -- such as the destruction of a U.S. Navy capital warship -- enhance their political position. Their willingness to run great risks demonstrates they are "the true believers." An extended confrontation with the United States also gives them the opportunity to portray their domestic opponents as traitors -- and then kill them.

This week's round of Iranian "gunboat diplomacy" by five armed Revolutionary Guards' speedboats fulfills both political purposes, and comes as U.S. President George Bush prepares to visit the Middle East. The incident echoes the March 2007 kidnapping of British sailors and marines who were patrolling Iraqi waters in small, inflatable boats.

Both incidents fit into a consistent historical pattern, one the American Enterprise Institute's Michael Ledeen believes the U.S. government ignores at its own long-term peril. "It is never surprising when the Iranians attack us," Ledeen told me the day after the gunboats' display of moxie, "because they have been attacking us for 30 years."

The best long-term U.S. strategy is political and economic -- encouraging an active domestic political opposition to Iran's clever religious leaders while whittling away at the clerics' graft-crammed Swiss bank accounts. This incremental strategy, however, takes time and perseverance.

Could Revolutionary Guard speedboats sink an American warship? A suicidal zealot in an explosive-packed Boghammer could zig-zag his way through U.S. defenses, particularly if his boat was one of several in a "swarm." Drop the analytic resolution from the "macro" strategic political view to the "micro" tactical military aspects of the incident, and the Revolutionary Guards' naval action has all of the elements of a "close-in probe" designed to test U.S. Navy reactions. However, an American cruiser, destroyer and frigate deployed in a flotilla are a very dangerous target -- nothing remotely comparable to vulnerable British sailors in a rubber raft.

The deadly suicide boat attack on the destroyer USS Cole in October 2000, as it lay anchored in the port of Aden, Yemen, made "close in" defense of U.S. warships a priority. The U.S. Navy began arming its capital ships with .50 caliber heavy machineguns, assorted light machineguns and 25 millimeter automatic cannons (like those mounted on U.S. Army Bradley armored infantry vehicles). Crewmen also occasionally deploy shoulder-fired Stinger anti-aircraft missiles (another infantry weapon) as an additional defense against light, low-flying airplanes (a Cessna on a suicide mission) or drone aircraft carrying explosives

In June 2005, I spent three days on the cruiser USS Normandy, deployed near Iraq's Al Basrah offshore oil terminal. The Normandy carries long-range missiles, a modern naval cannon and electronics capable of identifying targets hundreds of miles away. However, Iranian dhows operating beyond the terminal's exclusion zone were the most immediate threat, and the huge capital ship bristled with light automatic weapons manned by sailors. After inspecting a 50 caliber mount, I jokingly called the Normandy the "world's biggest PT boat." World War II-era U.S. PT boats often fought Japanese barges and small craft up close, infantry-like combat waged in shallow seas.

Naval mines are the real threat to big ships operating in the Persian Gulf. A naval mine can break and sink a ship. But mines are material things, deadly lumps without personality or religion. Sinking an American destroyer with a mine lacks the brazen testosterone, theological resolve and sensational media impact of a jihadist-manned speedboat braving the hail of fire to slam into the arrogant infidel warship's disintegrating armor.
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WMD Owl Wrote:If the Iranians try it again, they will get blown out of the water.
Remember.. Captain Brindel, the CO of the USS Stark was forced into retirement.. Captain Rogers of the USS Vincennes retained his command and was decorated...

WMD Owl Wrote:Could Revolutionary Guard speedboats sink an American warship? A suicidal zealot in an explosive-packed Boghammer could zig-zag his way through U.S. defenses, particularly if his boat was one of several in a "swarm." Drop the analytic resolution from the "macro" strategic political view to the "micro" tactical military aspects of the incident, and the Revolutionary Guards' naval action has all of the elements of a "close-in probe" designed to test U.S. Navy reactions. However, an American cruiser, destroyer and frigate deployed in a flotilla are a very dangerous target -- nothing remotely comparable to vulnerable British sailors in a rubber raft.

According to this report, I think we may all underestimate the threat here: Iran encounter grimly echoes '02 war game
Quote:In the days since the encounter with five Iranian patrol boats in the Strait of Hormuz, American officers have acknowledged that they have been studying anew the lessons from a startling simulation conducted in August 2002. In that war game, the Blue Team navy, representing the United States, lost 16 major warships — an aircraft carrier, cruisers and amphibious vessels — when they were sunk to the bottom of the Gulf in an attack that included swarming tactics by enemy speedboats.

"The sheer numbers involved overloaded their ability, both mentally and electronically, to handle the attack," said Lieutenant General Paul Van Riper, a retired Marine Corps officer who served in the war game as commander of a Red Team force representing an unnamed Gulf military. "The whole thing was over in 5, maybe 10 minutes."
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Van Riper said he complained at the time that important lessons of his simulated victory were not adequately acknowledged across the military. But other senior officers say the war game and subsequent analysis and exercises helped to focus attention on the threat posed by Iran's small, fast boats, and helped to prepare commanders for last weekend's encounter.

The consequences of the Iranians attacking and defeating US warships would be enormous, almost regardless of the fury the US could unleash upon Iran. By comparison the Israeli attacks against Hezbollah in 2006 would be nothing (and strategically, that campaign had little value - it's political implications should be evident pending the outcome of the current peace process with the Israelis and Palestinians).
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Iran would probably love it if we attacked them. They could just deny that they provoked us, and the US attacks would motivate even more of the Islamic extremists. Definitely puts the ships in a tough spot.

I watched AlJazeera for a while yesterday and the Iranian government is completely denying that the speed boats did anything provocative. The footage they released made the guys look like fishermen out for an afternoon cruise.
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WMD Owl Wrote:If the Iranians try it again, they will get blown out of the water.
Remember.. Captain Brindel, the CO of the USS Stark was forced into retirement.. Captain Rogers of the USS Vincennes retained his command and was decorated...

Well, this is something I hadn't heard of before:

Quote:Bombing of Rogers' family minivan
The Rogers family 1984 Toyota minivan in flames following the explosion of a pipe bomb while Sharon Rogers was driving to her job as an elementary school teacher.

Nine months after the downing of Iran Air Flight 655, on March 10, 1989, Rogers' wife Sharon escaped with her life when a pipe bomb attached to her minivan exploded, while she was driving.[5] The van was in Will Rogers' name and many immediately suspected that terrorism was involved. Five months later, the Associated Press reported that the most likely suspect had a personal vendetta against Rogers and that the FBI denied terrorist activity.[15] As of 2007, the bombing of Rogers' van remains an unsolved case, despite a major investigation involving at some time up to 300 police men and FBI agents.[16] On February 17, 1993, the case was featured on the TV show Unsolved Mysteries, but no additional information was uncovered.
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