SJSU has more than doubled it's average attendance from last year. With NMSU and Idaho as the remainig home games on our schedule, I'm not sure that we'll finish with as high an average. But, it's still interesting that a 1-6 Spartan team has improved it's attendance with each home game. Also surprising that we're above a good 4-2 (3-0) Nevada team. Nevada has Hawaii and Fresno remaining on their home schedule, so their number should improve dramtically.


Average home attendance figures for each WAC school.

1. Fresno State-38,498
2. Hawaii-36,899
3. Boise State-30,502
4. Louisiana Tech-17,680
5. New Mexico State-16,656
6. San Jose State-15,833
7. Nevada-15,243
8. Idaho-15,229
9. Utah State-12,624

SJSdude Wrote:SJSU has more than doubled it's average attendance from last year. With NMSU and Idaho as the remainig home games on our schedule, I'm not sure that we'll finish with as high an average. But, it's still interesting that a 1-6 Spartan team has improved it's attendance with each home game. Also surprising that we're above a good 4-2 (3-0) Nevada team. Nevada has Hawaii and Fresno remaining on their home schedule, so their number should improve dramtically.


Average home attendance figures for each WAC school.

1. Fresno State-38,498
2. Hawaii-36,899
3. Boise State-30,502
4. Louisiana Tech-17,680
5. New Mexico State-16,656
6. San Jose State-15,833
7. Nevada-15,243
8. Idaho-15,229
9. Utah State-12,624

Things are improving at most schools, but there's a ton of room for improvement. We're finally selling out every home game regardless of opponent and the expansion is on it's way. Wins will get SJSU up to the 20k level on a regular basis and I'm hoping Tomey gets that done. The Pack deserves more fans in the seats too, alot more.

The Hawaii fans that went to the SJSU game mentioned that they noticed that for the first time it sort of felt like a real college football game at San Jose. In past years it's been mentioned that the Hawaii contingent was even or just as big as the SJSU fans in the stadium, but this year there were a noticeable number of more SJSU fans, including the younger crowd. With Fresno still to play in SJSU, your attendance numbers should be solid this year.

SJSdude Wrote:SJSU has more than doubled it's average attendance from last year. With NMSU and Idaho as the remainig home games on our schedule, I'm not sure that we'll finish with as high an average. But, it's still interesting that a 1-6 Spartan team has improved it's attendance with each home game. Also surprising that we're above a good 4-2 (3-0) Nevada team. Nevada has Hawaii and Fresno remaining on their home schedule, so their number should improve dramtically.


Average home attendance figures for each WAC school.

1. Fresno State-38,498
2. Hawaii-36,899
3. Boise State-30,502
4. Louisiana Tech-17,680
5. New Mexico State-16,656
6. San Jose State-15,833
7. Nevada-15,243
8. Idaho-15,229
9. Utah State-12,624 This is way off.

USU's attendence is completely screwed up. Fans and radio announcers have been complaining about how it is being counted for 2 years now. I'm actually quite upset, because they are lowballing this. Even fans from Boise were saying that the stadium has more people in it than is being announced.

Here are 2 threads about it.

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erdaaggie Wrote:

SJSdude Wrote:SJSU has more than doubled it's average attendance from last year. With NMSU and Idaho as the remainig home games on our schedule, I'm not sure that we'll finish with as high an average. But, it's still interesting that a 1-6 Spartan team has improved it's attendance with each home game. Also surprising that we're above a good 4-2 (3-0) Nevada team. Nevada has Hawaii and Fresno remaining on their home schedule, so their number should improve dramtically.


Average home attendance figures for each WAC school.

1. Fresno State-38,498
2. Hawaii-36,899
3. Boise State-30,502
4. Louisiana Tech-17,680
5. New Mexico State-16,656
6. San Jose State-15,833
7. Nevada-15,243
8. Idaho-15,229
9. Utah State-12,624&nbsp; This is way off.

USU's attendence is completely screwed up. Fans and radio announcers have been complaining about how it is being counted for 2 years now. I'm actually quite upset, because they are lowballing this. Even fans from Boise were saying that the stadium has more people in it than is being announced.

Here are 2 threads about it.

<a href='http://mb4.scout.com/futahstatefrm3.showMessage?topicID=13976.topic' target='_blank'>http://mb4.scout.com/futahstatefrm3.showMe...cID=13976.topic</a>

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Just wondering about USU..... are they counting the students?

Regrettably, we are comparing apples to oranges. For example, UI is counting "tickets sold/given out" not actual attendance and USU is not even counting actual attendance accurately.

Why the hell aren't they scanning all student IDs and tickets to get an accurate count? Those scanners can't really be that expensive, can they? I can't believe they're still counting tickets.

When you enter Romney, it's not like there are turnstiles at each gate so that only one person enters at a time. It's more like a rush, with 4 or 5 people throwing tickets at one ticket-taker. It's no wonder they can't get an accurate count

My hat is off to SJSU and Idaho.

SJSU's attendance has swelled to 3 times their normal size. Just wait till Tomey and the boys start winning. Stadium expansion talks may be in order.

With Idaho...they're packing the fans into little Kibbie dome. Wall-to-wall and elbow-to-elbow. I think Idaho has outgrown Kibbie. They definitely need a larger stadium.

Yeah here we have been complaining about the same thing because at 3 games this season they have announced low attendance when you just look around the stadium and you can tell there are more people than they are announcing there.

We don't have much faith in the attendance figures that are being released from the university here in Reno

jediwarrior Wrote:My hat is off to SJSU and Idaho.

SJSU's attendance has swelled to 3 times their normal size. Just wait till Tomey and the boys start winning. Stadium expansion talks may be in order.

With Idaho...they're packing the fans into little Kibbie dome. Wall-to-wall and elbow-to-elbow. I think Idaho has outgrown Kibbie. They definitely need a larger stadium.

Strange, but true!
Utah State and Reno attendance are undercounted and the Uof Idaho is over counted.
Boise State has turnstiles at the entrances, but still count the tickets and usually have 3 to 4 hundred more tickets than capacity. The students and general admission seats are used very efficiently.

I think Idaho counts all the tickets that are given away and many of those tickets are tossed out by the local stores after the games.

Problems at NMSU, if not for the UTEP game their attendance would be below Utah State....

Until NMSU fans support the Aggies when they are playing teams other than UTEP and UNM, they will continue to experience attendance problems......

The UTEP game was sold out and over half the fans there were dressed in orange....It was basically a home game for the Miners as it looked like the game was played in El Paso

I've been to all of the home games and based on what I saw I think that attendence for Boise was around 22,000, SJSU was around 18,000, and UNLV was in the 19,000-20,000 neighborhood. Certainly nothing to brag about, but not the embarrassing numbers they are putting out.

'I think Idaho counts all the tickets that are given away and many of those tickets are tossed out by the local stores after the games.'

I would say that Idaho's attendance estimate was correct for the Hawaii game; it was a nearly full dome, and probably our best-attended true home game since departing the Big West Conference. The other two have over-estimated actual attendance by several thousand (probably ~12,000 fans in attendance for USU and FSU, plus or minus), which makes it clear that the athletic department for Idaho is counting tickets sold, not gate attendance. This probably includes season ticket holders that do not attend the game, as well as Idaho's "12th man" program that BroncoBob references. Idaho fans and supporters across the country can purchase tickets for games they cannot attend, which will be donated to area schools and businesses. Obviously, not all of these donated tickets result in attendance, so you end up with a gap between tickets sold and people at the game. Many posters of VandalVenue.comt live a long ways from Moscow, and may only make one game a year, choose to support the program by buying these tickets. The cash still flows into the program - there just isn't necessarily anyone in the seats (although it's a nice program for area kids who can get a free football game out of the deal).

However, I think our attendance is clearly improved over the last few years in the Sun Belt. Fan interest in WAC teams seems to be pretty strong, regardless of Idaho's performance, and if the Vandals improve on the field and the games become more competitive (not that the first two and a half quarters against Fresno were not competitive), attendance should respond. I don't think Idaho has too much to worry about from the attendance perspective, and I hope that our attendance grows to the level that the school will be forced to act on our inadequate facilities. And sooner rather than later...

Utah State's numbers confuse me, and I wonder if the Aggies aren't counting student attendance? Idaho absolutely is, although the student tickets aren't "purchased" (although student fees at Idaho do contribute to the athletic department, and consequently you could say that every student is paying for a few athletic tickets, whether or not they choose to use them). I can't imagine Utah State's numbers falling after hiring a new coach and moving to a conference that the Aggies have desired for decades (even if it has a new look). It's definitely something that should be looked into.

Regardless of how the NCAA attempts to mandate or regulate attendance numbers and how they're recorded, I'm afraid schools are always going to play this game. It's just strange to see USU clearly under-estimating attendance, where most all, at times, over-estimate.

There's obviously plenty of room for improvement in WAC attendance outside of BSU, FSU and UH. Hopefully everyone, from Nevada on through the newbies, can make progress in the years ahead.

Vandal9570 Wrote:'I think Idaho counts all the tickets that are given away and many of those tickets are tossed out by the local stores after the games.'

I would say that Idaho's attendance estimate was correct for the Hawaii game; it was a nearly full dome, and probably our best-attended true home game since departing the Big West Conference. The other two have over-estimated actual attendance by several thousand (probably ~12,000 fans in attendance for USU and FSU, plus or minus), which makes it clear that the athletic department for Idaho is counting tickets sold, not gate attendance. This probably includes season ticket holders that do not attend the game, as well as Idaho's "12th man" program that BroncoBob references. Idaho fans and supporters across the country can purchase tickets for games they cannot attend, which will be donated to area schools and businesses. Obviously, not all of these donated tickets result in attendance, so you end up with a gap between tickets sold and people at the game. Many posters of VandalVenue.comt live a long ways from Moscow, and may only make one game a year, choose to support the program by buying these tickets. The cash still flows into the program - there just isn't necessarily anyone in the seats (although it's a nice program for area kids who can get a free football game out of the deal).

However, I think our attendance is clearly improved over the last few years in the Sun Belt. Fan interest in WAC teams seems to be pretty strong, regardless of Idaho's performance, and if the Vandals improve on the field and the games become more competitive (not that the first two and a half quarters against Fresno were not competitive), attendance should respond. I don't think Idaho has too much to worry about from the attendance perspective, and I hope that our attendance grows to the level that the school will be forced to act on our inadequate facilities. And sooner rather than later...

Utah State's numbers confuse me, and I wonder if the Aggies aren't counting student attendance? Idaho absolutely is, although the student tickets aren't "purchased" (although student fees at Idaho do contribute to the athletic department, and consequently you could say that every student is paying for a few athletic tickets, whether or not they choose to use them). I can't imagine Utah State's numbers falling after hiring a new coach and moving to a conference that the Aggies have desired for decades (even if it has a new look). It's definitely something that should be looked into.

Regardless of how the NCAA attempts to mandate or regulate attendance numbers and how they're recorded, I'm afraid schools are always going to play this game. It's just strange to see USU clearly under-estimating attendance, where most all, at times, over-estimate.

There's obviously plenty of room for improvement in WAC attendance outside of BSU, FSU and UH. Hopefully everyone, from Nevada on through the newbies, can make progress in the years ahead.

I think it is time to do away with ticket counts as a measurement for the NCAA D1A criteria....
Idaho has inflated ticket sales and Utah State/Reno are coming out short????

It would be easier to measure Ticket Sales!!
If a school is getting more than $500,000 per game from gate receipts, then you know there are some people interested in the program and the seats are being used.
If a school is getting less than $100,000 in football gate receipts, the attendance is probably pretty low.

Screw the ticket counts....there much better ways to quanity sales!!!

SJspartansAndSharks is right on the money!

broncobob Wrote:I think it is time to do away with ticket counts as a measurement for the NCAA D1A criteria....
Idaho has inflated ticket sales and Utah State/Reno are coming out short????

It would be easier to measure Ticket Sales!!
If a school is getting more than $500,000 per game from gate receipts, then you know there are some people interested in the program and the seats are being used.
If a school is getting less than $100,000 in football gate receipts, the attendance is probably pretty low.&nbsp;

Screw the ticket counts....there much better ways to quanity sales!!!

About Idaho: Just to clarify, we aren't inflating ticket sales but simply stating them rather than attendance. The 12th man program is a great way to show support for the university from fans like me who can't make every game and provides young kids a great opportunity to come be a fan. Regardless how you count it Idaho's attendence has grown, in total sold, season tickets sold, butts in seats, and revenue - That's a great thing!

Gross ticket sales are not a bad idea, though USU would probably still be behind Idaho (rats!), as USU just sold the LTU tickets for $2 (stated attendence of 9457, here's a picutre of the game<a href='http://www.trueaggies.com/images/Photos/Football/11-5-05FB/Crowd/Crowd.jpg' target='_blank'>USU/LTU game photo</a> . I'm not familiar with the venue so someone else can play judge). I'm fully confident USU can improve on these numbers as well. As for UNR, they will improve but I was surprised they only listed a crowd of 17,552 for the WSU game (though that's being debated in this thread).

But all in all, I'm more concerned with the product on the field for the conference members than the ticket numbers.

Yeah there have been debates over the attendance because if you can see the people in the crowd for some of these games and then the attendance they announce almost every game this year it really doesn't match.

BigVandalFan Wrote:Gross ticket sales are not a bad idea, though USU would probably still be behind Idaho (rats!), as USU just sold the LTU tickets for $2 (stated attendence of 9457, here's a picutre of the game<a href='http://www.trueaggies.com/images/Photos/Football/11-5-05FB/Crowd/Crowd.jpg' target='_blank'>USU/LTU game photo</a> . I'm not familiar with the venue so someone else can play judge). I'm fully confident USU can improve on these numbers as well.

The La Tech attendance stunk, no doubt about it. However, it was the worst of the year and fans are just waiting for hoops season to start. I'm not all that excited about that, but it is the truth.

They only sold a few tickets for $2.75 at gas stations, not all of them. Just to clarify. Most people paid full price.