Ever since the split with MWC, I never understood why WAC did't go to 12. Adding Idaho was not good move. WAC with 6 west & 2 sowest based schools could added 4 schools from so west for more bowl oppertunitys & have back up from west schools in case FSU & BSU ever leave. I would have like to seen NoTex, ArkSt, TexSt {play home games in San Antiono}, LousLaf & or MissouriSt. Now WAC has protection for east & west when futher expansion takes place

NoDak,Oct 22 2005, 07:44 PM Wrote:[QUOTE=wolf pack 1,Oct 22 2005, 05:19 PM] The Stanford win has galvanized their alumni even more. More than any other school in the WAC or Mountain West, Davis has the academic credentials for the PAC-10. (not that that would happen until at least 2025).

Umm the PAC-10 will never add anyone from the WAC or MWC. The only expansion they will ever do is Texas and Colorado. Since they were turned down, there is zero chance they expand. The BCS can't make them do it because they have said that they will pull out of it and take the Rose Bowl with them.

Secondly I'm not sure what you mean about Academics. They have the same type of academics as most of the WAC and MWC schools. They are a land grant University that specializes in studying agriculture. USU, NMSU, Idaho, Nevada, Hawaii, CSU, and Wyoming are all the same type of schools with similiar academic requirements.

As far as NDSU in the WAC there is about a zero percent chance of that. They are in the central time zone, are in a very sparsley populated area, and adding central schools was a failed experiment for the WAC. They are staying in the West if they add more schools.

The WAC deperatly needs to get back a texas school. You guys should go after UNT.

Quote:Umm the PAC-10 will never add anyone from the WAC or MWC. The only expansion they will ever do is Texas and Colorado. Since they were turned down, there is zero chance they expand. The BCS can't make them do it because they have said that they will pull out of it and take the Rose Bowl with them.

When Davis makes it's move to D1A it will be just a few short years before the PAC takes a hard look at them. The Cali schools will not turn their nose up at what is one of the better UC's. In fact SLO may even be an attractive member to the PAC.

BTW, is it Sac St., NAU and UCSD that are partial members?

Quote: The WAC deperatly needs to get back a texas school. You guys should go after UNT.

UNT isn't interested in coming alone, and the Western Schools don't want to create a "Sun Belt Division" of the conference again, suppose we invite 3 Southern Schools to go to 12, and then UNT and LaTech move to CUSA. That will leave us with like ULL and ULM and put us in the same predicament all over again. (But with worse teams)

Another alternative would be ask LaTech to say for Men's Sports only and then find another conference for women's sports. (If they can) That will work out perfectly for LaTech. They get to keep the benefits of football/basketball membership of the WAC and then their women's basketball team (which is unhappy in the WAC) gets to find a better suited conference. And expenses for non-reveneue sports is decreased for them.

SoCalValleyDog Wrote:

Quote:Umm the PAC-10 will never add anyone from the WAC or MWC. The only expansion they will ever do is Texas and Colorado. Since they were turned down, there is zero chance they expand. The BCS can't make them do it because they have said that they will pull out of it and take the Rose Bowl with them.

When Davis makes it's move to D1A it will be just a few short years before the PAC takes a hard look at them. The Cali schools will not turn their nose up at what is one of the better UC's. In fact SLO may even be an attractive member to the PAC.

BTW, is it Sac St., NAU and UCSD that are partial members?

Sac St belongs to the Big Sky for all sports but baseball where they belong to the WAC. UC-Davis is a provisional DI school right now so they play independent schedules. Northern Arizona is a Big Sky school that has their diving team in the WAC.

SoCalValleyDog Wrote:

Quote:Umm the PAC-10 will never add anyone from the WAC or MWC. The only expansion they will ever do is Texas and Colorado. Since they were turned down, there is zero chance they expand. The BCS can't make them do it because they have said that they will pull out of it and take the Rose Bowl with them.

When Davis makes it's move to D1A it will be just a few short years before the PAC takes a hard look at them. The Cali schools will not turn their nose up at what is one of the better UC's. In fact SLO may even be an attractive member to the PAC.

BTW, is it Sac St., NAU and UCSD that are partial members?

I know that they are a UC school, but the PAC-10 is not ever going to expand, except if Texas and CU come. UC Santa Barbara once had a football team, but the PAC-10 never picked them up either. The PAC-10 just approved a 9 conference game and there must be a unanimous vote for expansion. The Oregon and Washington schools want to play UCLA and USC every year to be able to recruit from SoCal. They will NEVER get another team in from a mid-major conference. Arizona and ASU were the exceptions not the rule. And that was in 1978.

I would like to see Davis improve and move to the WAC. Davis and Fresno are currently rivals in Ag, Viticulture and Enology programs.

My vote is for UC Davis also, if La Tech leaves. They'd be a perfect fit as far as travel goes. They'd be one of the 3 Aggies.

Davis is 106 miles from San Jose, 207 miles from Fresno, and 145 miles from Reno. Compare this to Ruston from Reno is 2169 miles, from Fresno is 1808 miles, from San Jose is 2040 miles.

Obviously the difference is that it becomes a bus ride for those schools instead of hopping on a 4 hour plane ride. BIG, BIG difference! Multiply that by all sports and one can see how the costs add up.

I love having La Tech in the WAC, but travel is killing them and the rest of us. Having Hawaii in the WAC makes sense, since Hawaii's athletic budget covers the difference and they add a bowl game. If La Tech could add a bowl game to their membership in the WAC it MIGHT make up the difference.

I think that the WAC should give Louisiana Tech the boot and let Portland State and Sacramento State in.

OK as the first UCD representative on this thread, please allow me to clear up a few things. First of all, UCD is NOT joining the Big Sky in football or anything else. UCD will become a full member of the BW in 2007 and is currently playing full BW schedules. The football team is in the Great West Football Conference. Northern Colorado is joining the BSC next year, which leaves the GWFC one team short of qualifying for an auto-bid for the I-AA playoffs. Both Dakotas are actively searching for an all-sports conference so it is pretty much understood that the GWFC isn't going to last long and UCD will be back as an independent.

The new stadium on campus is scheduled to open up in Sept. '06. It will have 10-12K seats with grass endzone seating for 4-6K for a total capacity of 14-18K. It will be expandable to 30K. Schools don't build 30K seat stadiums to play I-AA football. Ask anyone on the coaching staff or in the athletic department and they'll tell you UCD will be I-A in either 5, 10 or 15 years. As someone else said, D2 and DI-AA football just doesn't really work in California as so many schools dropped it. UCD is the biggest school in I-AA now.

I don't see UCD ever joining the WAC unless it wanted a football-only affiliate. The BW makes infinitely more sense for every other sport at UCD for any number of reasons. Football does not make decisions for the athletic department as a whole.

I can't fathom why so many are so eager to add Sac and Portland to the WAC. Both large commuter campuses with lousy facilities and fan support. Just because a school is in a large metro area does not mean they'll get huge crowds and big TV $, just ask SJSU. The Big Sky would LOVE for you to take those two schools off their hands so they could add the Dakota schools. Maybe Cal State LA is available too.

It seems inevitable that the UCD football program ends up as an independent, in either I-AA or I-A. It sucks, but there's no other logical options forseeable right now. I don't see any reason the Pac-10 would ever expand and the MWC brings the same problems as the wac: much higher travel costs, no traditional rivals, steps up in some sports and down in others. So we'll see

David Krysakowski Wrote:I think that the WAC should give Louisiana Tech the boot and let Portland State and Sacramento State in.

"Why don't you get out of my life and shut up!"-Napoleon Dynamite

And quit dreaming about Montana. If they wanted to move up they would have a long time ago. It's not gonna happen.

And no way in hell Pacific brings back I-A football. No way they bring back any football.

SoCalValleyDog Wrote:When Davis makes it's move to D1A it will be just a few short years before the PAC takes a hard look at them. The Cali schools will not turn their nose up at what is one of the better UC's. In fact SLO may even be an attractive member to the PAC.

BTW, is it Sac St., NAU and UCSD that are partial members?

I think you will find it hard to get the non-California schools to agree to another California addition. Since it takes all schools agreeing on the addition, it could be years until they add anyone. It took about 10 to add ASU and Arizona.

David Krysakowski Wrote:I think that the WAC should give Louisiana Tech the boot and let Portland State and Sacramento State in.

You can forget that stupid idea. We will never boot La Tech. If they ever leave, it will be because they choose to. La Tech pulls their own weight and then some.

ucdtim17 Wrote:It seems inevitable that the UCD football program ends up as an independent, in either I-AA or I-A. It sucks, but there's no other logical options forseeable right now. I don't see any reason the Pac-10 would ever expand and the MWC brings the same problems as the wac: much higher travel costs, no traditional rivals, steps up in some sports and down in others. So we'll see

Going independent is bankruptcy, unless you have very deep pockets. It will limit your income and playing opportunities. As for rivalries, they have to start somewhere. BSU wasn't an FSU rival five years ago, but it shaping up pretty well.

UCD Tim, I think that the WAC would be better for UCD if UCD played 1-A football, which you agree is only a matter of time. You say that the Big West makes much more sense. Maybe it does right now for a school moving up from D2, but just like the other schools that left the Big West for the WAC it will also make sense for UCD.

When you look at the average facilities and comitment to athletics of the WAC and the BWC it is no comparision. In basketball, the BWC with rare exception is a one bid league. The WAC is a multiple bid league. Why should UCD be an independent in football after spending all that money on a new stadium when they could have league games with several schools just a short trip away? Ask any USU fan, and they will tell you that being a 1-a independent in the West is not a good thing to be.

While I agree with my fellow aggie that the Big West currently makes sense for the non-revenue sports I think it has become too much of a cost-containment league and not one that will lead to the growth of the university (beyond helping out during the transitionary period). A mature DI UCD should benefit from and be beneficial to whatever conf it joins. UCD will realize the benefits of more national name recognition (not just SoCal in the BW) and the WAC will see how beneficial the active student body and deep pockets at UCD can be.

I do enjoy being in a conf with UCSB and Poly, 2 schools I applied to and had many friends at. But the rest of the conf blows. I could see rivalries growing with Reno (espcially during basketball with skiing in Tahoe before and after the games), Fresno (battle for the sac-central valley), and San Jo (lots of bay area UCD alums) faster than with any of the other BW schools.

UCD to the WAC now would be bad for both parties, the process will take time. But at the rate our coaches are recruiting talent you'll probably see this topic coming up much more often. Next year with UCD @ SJSU will be a good start.

Also, I know there's not a large enough stadium available yet, but I think Sacramento would support a good bowl game. Sacramentans are big bandwagon jumpers and love seeing winners. Presumably bowl teams would be winners. With 4 schools (including UCD) within a few hours of Sac there's a good likelihood one of those schools will be in it, or at least some of their fans would come out to support the WAC team.