SO#1 Wrote:I don’t think you get my suggestion. Neil

The current situation that we have right now, is ND willing to play 3 BE teams a year hoping to persuade FB schools to stay in the BE.

- I believe ND has signed a long term agreement with Pitt. So that is one.
- ND in the process of discussion with Rutgers for another long term series. This is two.
- The third one sound like UConn.
- All of our “home game” will be in NFL’s stadiums.

Can we get one more game from ND?

I want to have at least 4 games from ND.

The reason is to have ND visit FB ‘home’ twice a year.
I’m hoping to use 2 ND games to be added to our FB league games to increase the value of our FB TV contract, a very simple motive.

And I believe ND made it very clear they will play 3 games a year against us BUT if the thing changes like a split this public agreement is nullified.

When I suggest a split or exercise that get-out-of-jail-free card is not meant as a threat.

It’s seem that when a split is suggested it must means if ND follow FB group that ND be require to join us in football but we know ND wouldn’t join any conference in football. So the best we can get out this situation is more games. If ND is willing to give us 3 games a year to keep in association with us then a fourth game is not a deal breaker. So getting a guarantee 4 games is much better than 3 games and much better than nothing and this would help to raise respectability in the eye of public for our football league.

All-sport with half of ND is much more appealing than all-sport including ECU, Memphis or UCF. And it is so much better than 16-schools conference at least ND contribute 50% to football. Every full-member contributes in football and basketball.

All-sports Eastern Conference
UConn
SU
RU
Pitt
WVU
UC
UL
USF
½ ND

The next step is to resolve scheduling issue which is much easier to deal at this time. If everything works out I would love to get PSU with ND help. IF B10 can’t add 12th member and ND definitely not joining them, now there is not much reason for PSU to stay a mid-west conference. If that doesn’t work we can try to work out scheduling deal with Army/Navy (maybe 2 games each) including non-BCS bowl games will benefit all groups. You can work out the detail that is fairer for all groups. There is so much more option you can play with in all-sports Eastern Conference than you would have with current setup.

Do you see what I’m getting at with the use of the get-out-of-jail-free card or split? This is what I really mean. Trying to make the best of the situation we are in now.

Well that certainly is a plan. But, to me, in one sense it seems to be mixing and matching approaches which can cause confusing signals. And in the other sense, while it seems to be proactive for the BEast, it appears threatening to ND.

It just seems to me that the more ND is threatened with something, the more likely (especially with this current regime) they are to react in the exact opposite way one would anticipate.

In other words, ND wants the status quo. If there is even a hint of being threatened with a split, I believe this current regime will simply say, "Go ahead and split, we'll tough it out with the bb schools. If you want to keep the Gator, you'll need us and we'll be there for you with no strings attached. If you don't, good luck with your non-BCS Bowl alliances."

Cheers,
Neil

I don't see penn state ever leaving the big 10 and i don 't see the big 10 ever letting penn state leave, ie your unhappy my little lion, ok what eastern school do you want us to add? The chance the big 11 adds a big east team is about 1000% greater than the chance penn state would leave the big 10. However, the big east football is fine because i don't think losing a school to the big 10 is a killer since they got replacements to get to 9 with memphis and central florida.

bluesox Wrote:I don't see penn state ever leaving the big 10 and i don 't see the big 10 ever letting penn state leave, ie your unhappy my little lion, ok what eastern school do you want us to add? The chance the big 11 adds a big east team is about 1000% greater than the chance penn state would leave the big 10. However, the big east football is fine because i don't think losing a school to the big 10 is a killer since they got replacements to get to 9 with memphis and central florida.

There is the solution. Split, add Memphis and Central Florida or East Carolina and construct a ten-team league.

Crying about not playing in NFL stadium instead of your home stadium is not the same as being refused a game by ND.Even Pitt which plays its home games at an NFL stadium is recognizing ND's requirement.Both Rutgers and UCONN also are agreeing to ND's requirement for NFL stadium.Are any of the other BE football schools agreeing to this condition?It seems they are not(BIG PAY DAYS have restrictions to them).
If a BE school leaves for the B10 (which seems unlikely) the clear choice would be UCF as a replacement.
Also could Navy be moving toward a ND like affilation with BE football?

A lot of this talk that ND "needs" affiliation with the BE is wishful thinking. They have considerable leverage as an independent and their future scheduling confirms their intent to be a "national" team--and to a lesser extent, the academies are going in that direction too.

To sum it all up, kick out Notre Dame or split!

DFW HOYA Wrote:A lot of this talk that ND "needs" affiliation with the BE is wishful thinking. They have considerable leverage as an independent and their future scheduling confirms their intent to be a "national" team--and to a lesser extent, the academies are going in that direction too.

ND does not need the Big East. Nor does the Big East football schools need ND. Add a school or two, split and create an all-sports league. Both will live happily ever after.

omnicarrier Wrote:

SO#1 Wrote:I don’t think you get my suggestion. Neil

The current situation that we have right now, is ND willing to play 3 BE teams a year hoping to persuade FB schools to stay in the BE.

- I believe ND has signed a long term agreement with Pitt. So that is one.
- ND in the process of discussion with Rutgers for another long term series. This is two.
- The third one sound like UConn.
- All of our “home game” will be in NFL’s stadiums.

Can we get one more game from ND?

I want to have at least 4 games from ND.

The reason is to have ND visit FB ‘home’ twice a year.
I’m hoping to use 2 ND games to be added to our FB league games to increase the value of our FB TV contract, a very simple motive.

And I believe ND made it very clear they will play 3 games a year against us BUT if the thing changes like a split this public agreement is nullified.

When I suggest a split or exercise that get-out-of-jail-free card is not meant as a threat.

It’s seem that when a split is suggested it must means if ND follow FB group that ND be require to join us in football but we know ND wouldn’t join any conference in football. So the best we can get out this situation is more games. If ND is willing to give us 3 games a year to keep in association with us then a fourth game is not a deal breaker. So getting a guarantee 4 games is much better than 3 games and much better than nothing and this would help to raise respectability in the eye of public for our football league.

All-sport with half of ND is much more appealing than all-sport including ECU, Memphis or UCF. And it is so much better than 16-schools conference at least ND contribute 50% to football. Every full-member contributes in football and basketball.

All-sports Eastern Conference
UConn
SU
RU
Pitt
WVU
UC
UL
USF
½ ND

The next step is to resolve scheduling issue which is much easier to deal at this time. If everything works out I would love to get PSU with ND help. IF B10 can’t add 12th member and ND definitely not joining them, now there is not much reason for PSU to stay a mid-west conference. If that doesn’t work we can try to work out scheduling deal with Army/Navy (maybe 2 games each) including non-BCS bowl games will benefit all groups. You can work out the detail that is fairer for all groups. There is so much more option you can play with in all-sports Eastern Conference than you would have with current setup.

Do you see what I’m getting at with the use of the get-out-of-jail-free card or split? This is what I really mean. Trying to make the best of the situation we are in now.

Well that certainly is a plan. But, to me, in one sense it seems to be mixing and matching approaches which can cause confusing signals. And in the other sense, while it seems to be proactive for the BEast, it appears threatening to ND.

It just seems to me that the more ND is threatened with something, the more likely (especially with this current regime) they are to react in the exact opposite way one would anticipate.

In other words, ND wants the status quo. If there is even a hint of being threatened with a split, I believe this current regime will simply say, "Go ahead and split, we'll tough it out with the bb schools. If you want to keep the Gator, you'll need us and we'll be there for you with no strings attached. If you don't, good luck with your non-BCS Bowl alliances."

Cheers,
Neil

Neil,

What is this toughing it out with BB schools all about? Is ND suffering associating with just BB schools?

The status quo telling me that FB schools got NOTHING to offer ND. And that is not true. But the 3 games compensation is not enough to keep association with us. And it would not prevent any football school leaving. But all-sport league with ½ of ND is much more stable than this 16-schools conference. I don’t think 4 games is deal breaker. Do you think 4 games are too much?


Does this plan called out for ND to give up football independent? NO

Does plan prevent ND from scheduling ALL their traditional rivalry every year? NO

What exactly does this plan threaten ND with hardship that they rather toughing it out with BB schools?

I know you like to play the devil advocate but come on. No party is asking to give up any an arm or a leg. This 16-schools conference is unacceptable.

Tranghese gave an interview in WV a month or two ago and was asked about the situation. The commish said that ND has gone above and behond its contractual commitment to the BE. He also said that ND was one of the BEs strongest supporters when certain parties questioned whether we should retain our BCS bid.

Its interesting that the fans of the older BE schools seem to accept this arrangment more then the fans of the newer schools. Perhaps we are just used to it after so many yrs

Jackson

SO#1 Wrote:

omnicarrier Wrote:

SO#1 Wrote:I don’t think you get my suggestion. Neil

The current situation that we have right now, is ND willing to play 3 BE teams a year hoping to persuade FB schools to stay in the BE.

- I believe ND has signed a long term agreement with Pitt. So that is one.
- ND in the process of discussion with Rutgers for another long term series. This is two.
- The third one sound like UConn.
- All of our “home game” will be in NFL’s stadiums.

Can we get one more game from ND?

I want to have at least 4 games from ND.

The reason is to have ND visit FB ‘home’ twice a year.
I’m hoping to use 2 ND games to be added to our FB league games to increase the value of our FB TV contract, a very simple motive.

And I believe ND made it very clear they will play 3 games a year against us BUT if the thing changes like a split this public agreement is nullified.

When I suggest a split or exercise that get-out-of-jail-free card is not meant as a threat.

It’s seem that when a split is suggested it must means if ND follow FB group that ND be require to join us in football but we know ND wouldn’t join any conference in football. So the best we can get out this situation is more games. If ND is willing to give us 3 games a year to keep in association with us then a fourth game is not a deal breaker. So getting a guarantee 4 games is much better than 3 games and much better than nothing and this would help to raise respectability in the eye of public for our football league.

All-sport with half of ND is much more appealing than all-sport including ECU, Memphis or UCF. And it is so much better than 16-schools conference at least ND contribute 50% to football. Every full-member contributes in football and basketball.

All-sports Eastern Conference
UConn
SU
RU
Pitt
WVU
UC
UL
USF
½ ND

The next step is to resolve scheduling issue which is much easier to deal at this time. If everything works out I would love to get PSU with ND help. IF B10 can’t add 12th member and ND definitely not joining them, now there is not much reason for PSU to stay a mid-west conference. If that doesn’t work we can try to work out scheduling deal with Army/Navy (maybe 2 games each) including non-BCS bowl games will benefit all groups. You can work out the detail that is fairer for all groups. There is so much more option you can play with in all-sports Eastern Conference than you would have with current setup.

Do you see what I’m getting at with the use of the get-out-of-jail-free card or split? This is what I really mean. Trying to make the best of the situation we are in now.

Well that certainly is a plan. But, to me, in one sense it seems to be mixing and matching approaches which can cause confusing signals. And in the other sense, while it seems to be proactive for the BEast, it appears threatening to ND.

It just seems to me that the more ND is threatened with something, the more likely (especially with this current regime) they are to react in the exact opposite way one would anticipate.

In other words, ND wants the status quo. If there is even a hint of being threatened with a split, I believe this current regime will simply say, "Go ahead and split, we'll tough it out with the bb schools. If you want to keep the Gator, you'll need us and we'll be there for you with no strings attached. If you don't, good luck with your non-BCS Bowl alliances."

Cheers,
Neil

Neil,

What is this toughing it out with BB schools all about? Is ND suffering associating with just BB schools?

The status quo telling me that FB schools got NOTHING to offer ND. And that is not true. But the 3 games compensation is not enough to keep association with us. And it would not prevent any football school leaving. But all-sport league with ½ of ND is much more stable than this 16-schools conference. I don’t think 4 games is deal breaker. Do you think 4 games are too much?


Does this plan called out for ND to give up football independent? NO

Does plan prevent ND from scheduling ALL their traditional rivalry every year? NO

What exactly does this plan threaten ND with hardship that they rather toughing it out with BB schools?

I know you like to play the devil advocate but come on. No party is asking to give up any an arm or a leg. This 16-schools conference is unacceptable.

What I am saying is that a split with ND as the lone bb school going with the fb schools (but remaining indy for football) (not even factoring in asking them to up the commitment to play 4 Big East schools) will likely result in ND saying "No, we will stay with the bb schools."

ND doesn't want to lose playing Georgetown, Villanova, St. John's, DePaul, and Marquette to play Rutgers, South Florida, West Virginia and two of (Memphis, ECU, or UCF).

And no, please don't respond with they can still play them OOC because there is no way they can play each and everyone of them OOC. They would be lucky to get two of them in one year.

However, by sticking with the bb schools in a split scenario, they then can play the two football schools they would most like to continue to play in basketball - Pittsburgh and UConn. It is much easier to schedule two in terms of OOC play than four or five.

See?

Cheers,
Neil

It appears that way Jackson! As Louisville fan, it looks like the older Big East schools prostituted themselves to Notre Dame!

You guys are completely nuts if you think the BE can get better bowl package without ND. BE has been droped by SF, Insight, Liberty then reconsidered & took C-USA. Gator & Mienkie looked to drop BE. ESPN had to make up 2 bowls for BE to have full completment of bowls. In 2003 ND might have went with BB schools, 2010 ND goes with FB schools if there is a split.
Now if BE had proactive comminsionor things might work out with bowls, But MT lets things fall into place & if things fall into place you better have ND in your back pocket.

Wilkie01 Wrote:It appears that way Jackson! As Louisville fan, it looks like the older Big East schools prostituted themselves to Notre Dame!

-- Well, the only reason WVU is an all sports member is because of the deal that allowed ND to come in. So no WVU or RU fan for that matter can complain too much

-- A lot of us like to find fault with the current situation, but its easy to forget what WVU, Va Tech, RU and Temple had to go through for a time with football being in the BE and everthing else being in the A10. That was far, far worse then anything going on right now

Jackson

True, but it is still no reason to be happy about the current ND debacle in football !

HAPPY is having a BCS league(the current hybrid).
HAPPIER is having a split league with PSU and ND
VERY SAD is splitting and adding ecu and memphis st.

tigersharktwo Wrote:HAPPIER is having a split league with PSU and ND

Stupidity is thinking this will ever happen!

TerryD Wrote:p.s. Buckaineer, what you propose sounds like an anti-trust lawsuit waiting to be filed (and with a good chance of success). In my opinion, nobody associated with the BCS wants THAT.

I don't agree with that at all. Other conferences are growing tired of only getting one team in when they might have two or three with 10 or 11 wins while a 9-3 Notre Dame with no quality wins gets in. Throw on top of this the non-BCS conferences have already pressured the BCS schools to the point they have had to add another BCS bowl to let these teams in.

Room at the top is getting crowded and the rules are constantly being changed. In the next round of BCS --especially if the Big Televen goes to Twelve, I could see the large conferences writing in conference membership/championship as part of the requirements for getting into this BCS/playoff scenario. Either that or greatly increasing what a ND or independent must do to be included (i.e. top 4 finish and 11 wins instead of say 9, or have X many wins more than other BCS teams before they can be included)

ND draws in person and on tv.Tv pays for the BCS.So ND is not leaving the BCS.Also stupidty thinks a BE split and adding memphis st will make BE football better.

WAKE UP!!! :noisycricket:

It's almost football season!!!