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RE: OT: What's going on with Notre Dame?
Most ND fans think that other than for "national image" and recruiting reasons, the main goal is "revenue whoring" by Kevin White. (And you are right, most ND fans don't like the 7-4-1 idea).

Think of this scenario: The other team only gets a visiting team 5,000 ticket allotment. ND controls the rest of the gate.

There are no student tickets at a discount, no faculty tickets at a discount, etc... All tickets are the same price.

ND might be able to make more money off the ticket sales by selling 60,000 tickets at face there than 75,000 (including student, faculty, etc..) tickets at Notre Dame Stadium.

A very large number of ND fans drive or fly from all over the country to attend an ND home game. ND's situation is different than a lot of schools whose fans filling the stadium come from a fairly local radius.

Since lots of ND fans normally travel from all over to see ND play at South Bend (although admittedly a lot do so to visit/experience the campus, stadium, etc...), Kevin White is counting on them to do so at a "destination" like Orlando and San Antonio and make a November weekend getaway out of the game.

Is he right? Who knows, we shall see.

The NBC contract calls for it to broadcast six ND home games. Is NBC paying extra for the rights to these games? I have no idea.
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RE: OT: What's going on with Notre Dame?
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omnicarrier Wrote:But when the SEC and B10 teams do this, they are still playing to capacity crowds in their home stadiums. And the games are not usually televised nationally.

ND, imho, was better off keeping the balance 7 home and 5 away when Navy is at home, and 6 home, 5 away, and 1 neutral when Navy is technically 'away' then this.

Or, if they are going to do this, do it with established programs that they can't otherwise do 1-and-1 withs.
Apparently this type of game is worth more to ND than any away game.

- NBC will air it as per usual ND home game, so exposure isn't an issue;
- ND will control gate receipts and pay nominal fee to opponent, presumably $1M or a tad more;
- It allows ND to avoid, if they choose, tougher opponents and those that would only do 1-and-1 set ups.

I really feel that avoiding another road game is key, here. How many programs have played/will play 8 home games simply because of money and chances to win? A good number. Irish have difficulty in scheduling late season games, however, because most teams are then embroiled in conference schedules. Add in that many other big names are also loathe to have a 5th road game, let alone a possible 6th, and this is one way ND can make a successful compromise.

Understood.

But how much value will NBC put into ND playing Washington State at the Alamo, Baylor at the Cotton (another rumored proposal), or let's say Duke or Wake or Army at the Citrus? Somehow, I don't think that was what NBC thought was going to happen with these. But perhaps they did. Maybe the edict came from NBC to add the additional games that they would broadcast? Who knows?

Still, a bad national TV match-up is a bad national TV match-up - no matter where it is played or whatever the reasons.

And on top of these match-ups, they are adding the likes of San Diego State and Nevada as the one-and-done home games.

NBC is used to getting a schedule like -

Michigan State, Tennessee, BYU, Pitt, Navy, and USC or
Stanford, Michigan, Penn State, Purdue, UCLA, and North Carolina.

It will be interesting to see IF the Irish keeps those type of teams on the schedule while simply adding the cupcake home game and the cupcake 'neutral site' game or if the new agreement with the Big East and these latter two lead to less marquee match-ups.

Quote:Irish have difficulty in scheduling late season games, however, because most teams are then embroiled in conference schedules.

That's the price they pay for independence. I wonder if the lack of truly quality opponents from late October through November might not be a reason for their failures come bowl time?

Of course, I haven't really researched that in comparison with other BCS Bowl teams. Do teams in conferences play more than 1 tough opponent in that time frame? Or is that really a misconception perpetuated by the Big Ten and the SEC? 03-wink

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RE: OT: What's going on with Notre Dame?
Omni:

Your bowl question is an interesting one. My first reaction is that it didn't seem to bother Ara, Devine and Holtz. I must confess that I have not looked at the late season schedules for 1969-81 and 87-96.

It may be that there were late season games with fellow independents like Penn State. I don't recall and would have to check.
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RE: OT: What's going on with Notre Dame?
TerryD Wrote:Most ND fans think that other than for "national image" and recruiting reasons, the main goal is "revenue whoring" by Kevin White. (And you are right, most ND fans would don't like the 7-4-1 idea).

Think of this scenario: The other team only gets a visiting team 5,000 ticket allotment. ND controls the rest of the gate.

There are no student tickets at a discount, no faculty tickets at a discount, etc... All tickets are the same price.

ND might be able to make more money off the ticket sales by selling 60,000 tickets at face there than 75,000 (including student, faculty, etc..) tickets at Notre Dame Stadium.

A very large number of ND fans drive or fly from all over the country to attend an ND home game. ND's situation is different than a lot of schools whose fans filling the stadium come from a fairly local radius.

Since lots of ND fans normally travel from all over to see ND play at South Bend (although admittedly a lot do so to visit/experience the campus, stadium, etc...), Kevin White is counting on them to do so at a "destination" like Orlando and San Antonio and make a November weekend getaway out of the game.

Is he right? Who knows, we shall see.

The NBC contract calls for it to broadcast six ND home games. Is NBC paying extra for the rights to these games? I have no idea.

Don't forget that the folks in San Antonio and Orlando are throwing EXTRA $$$$$$ at ND (and some to the visiting team) besides just some tix revenue so its almost like a mini-bowl game as far as revenue is concerned for ND.
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GunnerFan Wrote:But your points above also illustrates how odd it can sound to see ND turn down a date with Bama. The southeast is arguably where ND garners the least exposure and the most criticism (apart from FL). You would think a ND trying to branch out would jump at the chance to work with a program with almost as much national cachet.

Ah well, it is what it is.

Criticism? From fans on a message board?

ND usually is in the Top 10-20 in regards to playing the most ranked teams on their schedule...year in and year out.

Even just since 1995, ND has played the following "Southern teams" in home-home series:

Texas
Texas A&M
LSU
FSU
Tennessee
Vandy
Ga Tech

(plus throw in some good home-home series with Washington and Nebraska too).

Thats a pretty good sampling of some "Southern" teams...and oh...ND is least concerned about "message board criticism".
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KnightLight Wrote:Criticism? From fans on a message board?
And the press. Granted, a lot of that may be due to the influence of SEC-largess, but it's not unheard of for op-ed pieces to downplay games like PSU and MSU and instead focus on the match-ups with the armed forces. Listen to Colin Cowherd on ESPN radio during any college football segment and he'll echo that sentiment.

Quote:ND usually is in the Top 10-20 in regards to playing the most ranked teams on their schedule...year in and year out.
Granted. Plus they avoid the fluff-home game scheduling being criticized on the thread about the SEC. But a) they losing a lot of those games as of late, and b) the flip-side to having all your games televised is people remember the ND vs SDSU/BYU/Navy/Stanford as readily as they do ND vs Michigan. Usually when other teams are on TV the game has greater hype and meaning. Sometimes ND can be on the air for a meaningless game and it results in a turn off.

Quote:Even just since 1995, ND has played the following "Southern teams" in home-home series:

Texas
Texas A&M
LSU
FSU
Tennessee
Vandy
Ga Tech

(plus throw in some good home-home series with Washington and Nebraska too).
Nebraska and Wash are decidedly not-southern, and I should've clarified my comment by saying southeast, which would rule out Texas and Texas A&M. Plus I was thinking regular season travel, not bowl games. IIRC, since 1990, roughly the end of the Catholics vs Convicts series, ND has played four true road games in the southeast (Tenn x2, FSU, GT) and 3 neutral field games (FSU, UNC, Navy). You'd think they'd give Vandy a nod or try another SEC school. Granted, it may be the SEC schools balking, but as per the Bama note it appears ND is not currently interested in making headway with SEC schools in the same way they have the Big Ten, PAC 10, etc.
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RE: OT: What's going on with Notre Dame?
You forgot at LSU on 11/15/97. I recall because I was there.
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Jarious, don't take that safety!!!
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Good advice, but the wrong year.

That happened in South Bend the next year(1998) versus LSU.

I was there sitting in that end zone for that one.

Good call, Bob Davie!!
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They would have had Jarious for the USC game and probably won, allowing them to go to the BCS title game. I hated the end of that season, wasn't that when Oregon State thugball beat ND in the Fiesta?
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No, that is when Georgia Tech defeated an ND team (led by torn MCL recovering QB Jarious Jackson because of that dumb call by Davie) by one touchdown in the Gator Bowl.

The Fiesta Bowl massacre (led by Chad Johnson and T.J. Howeveryousayit catching passing for 7,000 yards) occurred in 2000. I particularly recall the Oregon State defenders later saying that they were calling out ND's offensive plays ahead of time based on the Irish formations.

Jeez......memories (bad).
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