Note: This is only a theory.

Denver Post on the Big XII

I'll explain as to why.

If there is something of credence to this bad blood Mr. Kiszla points out. Could the Big XII split?

In the event it were to happen, I think this would lead into the MWC dissolving. Here's why. I believe the 6 North schools would keep the Big XII name and add from the MWC, Air Force, BYU, Colorado State, Utah and Wyoming with the 6th addition being C-USA's Memphis. They would now go East-West instead of North-South yielding the alignment of:

Big XII
East - Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Memphis, Missouri, Nebraska
West - Air Force, BYU, Colorado, Colorado State, Utah, Wyoming

Championships can take place in either Denver or Kansas City.

The South schools would create the rebirth of the SWC adding TCU and New Mexico from the MWC and Houston, Rice, SMU and UTEP from Conference USA. They would go North-South yielding this realignment.

SWC
North - New Mexico, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, SMU, TCU, Texas Tech
South - Baylor, Houston, Rice, Texas, Texas A & M, UTEP

Championships can take place in Dallas, Houston, San Antonio or Oklahoma City.

It might be a little awkward but that's to keep the rivalries together.

SDSU and UNLV are left in the cold and would have no other choice than to return to the WAC. As for CUSA, it would not have a championship game anymore with the mass exodus, though I believe they would add Louisiana Tech and North Texas and here's how I think those 2 conferences would look like:

WAC
Boise State, Fresno State, Hawaii, Idaho, Nevada, New Mexico State, San Diego State, San Jose State, UNLV, Utah State

Basketball Tournament could find a permanent home in Las Vegas.

Conference USA
East Carolina, Louisiana Tech, Marshall, North Texas, Southern Miss, Tulane, Tulsa, UAB, UCF

Basketball Tournament could head to New Orleans (NO Arena), Birmingham (BJCC), Tulsa (NEW BOK Center) or Orlando (Orlando Arena)

We'll have to see how "As the Big XII Turns" ends out.

The dollar bill is all powerful! I would be shocked if the Big XII ever split, but if they do, teams like TCU, SMU, Houston, UTEP and Baylor had better stay away from the Longhorns and Aggies alignments. There is just too much disparity in money and the ability to recruit top players. In other words, the little guys cannot keep up in the long run. TCU has shown the college football world what can be done by the smaller private schools if you don't try to take on Goliath every single weekend and just build success in a slow methodic fashion. I say to heck with the Longhorns, Aggies and Sooners. Let them go play Michigan and Ohio State we will happily take on the Lobos and Cougars.

Wobblefrog Wrote:The dollar bill is all powerful! I would be shocked if the Big XII ever split, but if they do, teams like TCU, SMU, Houston, UTEP and Baylor had better stay away from the Longhorns and Aggies alignments. There is just too much disparity in money and the ability to recruit top players. In other words, the little guys cannot keep up in the long run. TCU has shown the college football world what can be done by the smaller private schools if you don't try to take on Goliath every single weekend and just build success in a slow methodic fashion. I say to heck with the Longhorns, Aggies and Sooners. Let them go play Michigan and Ohio State we will happily take on the Lobos and Cougars.

Though, if the SEC decides to expand to 14, Texas and A & M could be on their way there. There are a lot of possibilites that can happen. Understandably, some are not going to be very popular.

However, from a TCU standpoint, the coffers can be filled with a little more $$$ at a faster rate than at present.

Sounds interesting.

One thing though..

Quote:SWC
North - Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, SMU, TCU, Texas Tech, UTEP
South - Baylor, Houston, New Mexico, Rice, Texas, Texas A & M

Albuquerque is located 200 miles north of El Paso, so switch UTEP and UNM and it looks good.

Will never happen though..

UTEPDude Wrote:Sounds interesting.

One thing though..

Quote:SWC
North - Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, SMU, TCU, Texas Tech, UTEP
South - Baylor, Houston, New Mexico, Rice, Texas, Texas A & M

Albuquerque is located 200 miles north of El Paso, so switch UTEP and UNM and it looks good.

Will never happen though..

Improbable? Yes, at the moment.

Impossible? Never say never.

It's only a random theory.

I don't to want to set you up for a disappointment, don't get me wrong. However, if it becomes real, as a UTEP fan, you have to look at this as a BIG opportunity. (Modifying w/ the change you suggested.) You would get Texas and A & M to come to the Sun Bowl every other year. Oklahoma once every 5 years. Basketball gets the 'Horns at the Haskins Center EVERY year and the General every other year IN A LEAGUE game.

And, think of the $$$ that could come in being in a league with those schools as is TCU for Wobblefrog. It's an issue competing with them. However, UTEP and TCU could bring some more $$$ in at a faster rate. Then, you could be competitive even with UT, A&M and OU in your league.

As a fan of TCU I would really like to see something like this happen. I like the MWC right now, but I would prefer to be back with most of the old SWC teams. I also think the division splits in the new SWC would be pretty fair. I think TCU could compete in a conference like that, Oklahoma and Texas are going to be major players but there is not reason why TCU should not be able to compete with those other schools. Currently TCU already has a athletic budget that is bigger than some Big 12 schools.

MWC-CHI Wrote:

UTEPDude Wrote:Sounds interesting.

One thing though..

Quote:SWC
North - Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, SMU, TCU, Texas Tech, UTEP
South - Baylor, Houston, New Mexico, Rice, Texas, Texas A & M

Albuquerque is located 200 miles north of El Paso, so switch UTEP and UNM and it looks good.

Will never happen though..

Improbable? Yes, at the moment.

Impossible? Never say never.

It's only a random theory.

I don't to want to set you up for a disappointment, don't get me wrong. However, if it becomes real, as a UTEP fan, you have to look at this as a BIG opportunity. (Modifying w/ the change you suggested.) You would get Texas and A & M to come to the Sun Bowl every other year. Oklahoma once every 5 years. Basketball gets the 'Horns at the Haskins Center EVERY year and the General every other year IN A LEAGUE game.

And, think of the $$$ that could come in being in a league with those schools as is TCU for Wobblefrog. It's an issue competing with them. However, UTEP and TCU could bring some more $$$ in at a faster rate. Then, you could be competitive even with UT, A&M and OU in your league.

I never said I wouldn't want a conference like that to happen..I just said it would never happen. If it does happen one day, MWC-CHI, I will fly you out to El Paso to see the first meeting between UTEP and Texas or A$M whichever comes first, to play their first conference game against each other...all expenses paid! Thats how confident I am that a situation like that will never happen.

the B-12 would only split for more money, the only way for this to happen is Tex,TexA&M,Okla,Kansas,Colo & Missouri to hook up with USC,UCLA,Cal,Wash,Org & ASU to form the South-West conf.
That would leave 6 B-12 schools only shot to hold onto BCS berth by merging with 6 BE schools. BCS berth would be down to 5, BE schools might be intrested to remove any speculation about thier berth. [Neb,ISU,KSU,OSU,TT & Baylor - WV,Louv,Pitt,Syc,Conn & Rutgers]
The Pac-10 would not be able to recover. However if the BE turns them down, it could get real intresting on what the B-12 does.

Would the B-12 be able to hold onto thier BCS berth [if there is a split] with West div of Ariz, OrgSt, WashSt, Stanford, BYU & Utah. Or if they prefer less Travel Ariz, BYU, Utah, NM, ColoSt & UTEP.

I cant see any of this happening.. both sides of the big 12 will end up losing out.. the big 12 south.. loses its northern neigbors than adds houston and rice??? that would be stupidity at a whole new level.

The Big12 is not going to breakup and the Pac10 is not going to expand!

However, the chances of the NBE raiding CUSA again is the greater.

If my team was in CUSA i would be very worried....unless it was Memphis, UCF or even ECU.

templefootballfan Wrote:the B-12 would only split for more money, the only way for this to happen is Tex,TexA&M,Okla,Kansas,Colo & Missouri to hook up with USC,UCLA,Cal,Wash,Org & ASU to form the South-West conf.
That would leave 6 B-12 schools only shot to hold onto BCS berth by merging with 6 BE schools. BCS berth would be down to 5, BE schools might be intrested to remove any speculation about thier berth. [Neb,ISU,KSU,OSU,TT & Baylor - WV,Louv,Pitt,Syc,Conn & Rutgers]
The Pac-10 would not be able to recover. However if the BE turns them down, it could get real intresting on what the B-12 does.

i highly doubt the big 12 north schools would merge with 6 b.e. schools. what is the footprint in that conference?

the foot print would be money.