Full length indie movie. Watch if you dare. This has played a part in driving me away from Christianity and the Republican party.

This is scary sh*t.... and a disturbing # of people believe this crap too....

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...6425212842

If a 90 minute, one sided documentory drove you away from Christianity you couldn't have been much of a believer to begin with.

NIUFAN Wrote:If a 90 minute, one sided documentory drove you away from Christianity you couldn't have been much of a believer to begin with.

I was referring to the far right Christian equivalent of the radical Muslims, which are showcased in the documentary. Note I also said a part of it. My primary beef with Christianity is that it cannot fundamentally coexist with modern science. They are inherently contradictive in nearly countless ways.

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:I was referring to the far right Christian equivalent of the radical Muslims, which are showcased in the documentary. Note I also said a part of it.

:shhh: I didn't want to say it...

cue the "but Christians don't blow people up!!" comeback

Fanatical Wrote:

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:I was referring to the far right Christian equivalent of the radical Muslims, which are showcased in the documentary. Note I also said a part of it.

:shhh: I didn't want to say it...

cue the "but Christians don't blow people up!!" comeback

I haven't been able to view tha damn video all day, but if it's something along those lines, well, I will tell you that Christians will denounce that **** 2 to the power of 100 times faster than a friggin' Muslim.

yea, fundamental christians arent brainwashed at all

niuhuskie84 Wrote:yea, fundamental christians arent brainwashed at all

Ok, now I'll do it. How many of'em are blowing themselves up in coffee shops? How many are flying planes into buildings? How many are sending in tapes of beheading non-believers?

I'm a Christian, but one that believes that if I show you the way, and you don't take it.......not my problem. I can tell you about John 3:16. The rest is up to you. I'm NOT going to f'n behead you for not accepting.

Ya know, you people REALLLY need to stop trying to equate this Islamic problem with Christianity....at least here in the states. There is not a religious person I know that condones violence on those that don't believe.

RebelKev Wrote:

niuhuskie84 Wrote:yea, fundamental christians arent brainwashed at all

Ok, now I'll do it. How many of'em are blowing themselves up in coffee shops? How many are flying planes into buildings? How many are sending in tapes of beheading non-believers?

we seem to be fighting a war in the name of christianity. at least thats what our president has said.

im not trying to suggest christians are blowing themselves up. but i think what concerns those who arent fundamentalists is the merging of government and religion, and using it to shape national and international policy. thats what scares me.

niuhuskie84 Wrote:we seem to be fighting a war in the name of christianity. at least thats what our president has said.

im not trying to suggest christians are blowing themselves up. but i think what concerns those who arent fundamentalists is the merging of government and religion, and using it to shape national and international policy. thats what scares me.

Really? Bush said we were fighting a war for Christianity? lmfao

You're gonna have to show me a link for that one.

Me? As a man that's spent the past 15 years serving in the military and working for the DoD, protecting what leftists didn't see worthy to protect, I see it as a war for our very existence.

so tell me, when have we "won" in iraq? where is the finish line? when have we "beaten" the terrorists? how do you win a war against an ideology (i.e. thoughts) with bombs and rifles? the concept in itself absurd. as if somehow, we can kill a belief system by blowing up buildings.

RebelKev Wrote:Really? Bush said we were fighting a war for Christianity? lmfao

You're gonna have to show me a link for that one.

the quote in question is

[quote]I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan. And I did, and then God would tell me, George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq

niuhuskie84 Wrote:

RebelKev Wrote:

niuhuskie84 Wrote:yea, fundamental christians arent brainwashed at all

Ok, now I'll do it. How many of'em are blowing themselves up in coffee shops? How many are flying planes into buildings? How many are sending in tapes of beheading non-believers?

we seem to be fighting a war in the name of christianity. at least thats what our president has said.

im not trying to suggest christians are blowing themselves up. but i think what concerns those who arent fundamentalists is the merging of government and religion, and using it to shape national and international policy. thats what scares me.

Why should it matter of hill of beans to you? Aren't you going to carry on in your sin and lawlessness no matter what?

BTW, in the past 40 years, the federal government has driven the church as far away from government policies as is humanly possible. And the only "Christians" we have had in the white house have been Christians in name only--Mr. Carter and Mr. Bush are the 2 that come to mind. Reagan may or may not have been a Christian, but he seemed more like a diest to me.

Endzone2 Wrote:

niuhuskie84 Wrote:

RebelKev Wrote:

niuhuskie84 Wrote:yea, fundamental christians arent brainwashed at all

Ok, now I'll do it. How many of'em are blowing themselves up in coffee shops? How many are flying planes into buildings? How many are sending in tapes of beheading non-believers?

we seem to be fighting a war in the name of christianity. at least thats what our president has said.

im not trying to suggest christians are blowing themselves up. but i think what concerns those who arent fundamentalists is the merging of government and religion, and using it to shape national and international policy. thats what scares me.

Why should it matter of hill of beans to you? Aren't you going to carry on in your sin and lawlessness no matter what?

BTW, in the past 40 years, the federal government has driven the church as far away from government policies as is humanly possible. And the only "Christians" we have had in the white house have been Christians in name only--Mr. Carter and Mr. Bush are the 2 that come to mind. Reagan may or may not have been a Christian, but he seemed more like a diest to me.

why should i care? because this is also my country! and regardless of what you may say, i love it too. obviously, you wouldnt sit by idly if you didnt like our domestic or foreign policies. so why would i?

it also cracks me up that you seem to be the end all be all when it comes to deciding if someone is a christian or not.

niuhuskie84 Wrote:so tell me, when have we "won" in iraq? where is the finish line? when have we "beaten" the terrorists? how do you win a war against an ideology (i.e. thoughts) with bombs and rifles? the concept in itself absurd. as if somehow, we can kill a belief system by blowing up buildings.

If you really want ME to answer the question, I'll tell you. As a troop I say we kick out the f'n media and beat these bastards down until that say this is enough. However, the media, on YOUR side mind you, are hindering that process. A mosque becomes a haven for terrorists? It's now a f'n bunker that should be take out. JMO. We didn't capitulate like this s-hit during WWII. It's liberals that are making this hard, not conservatives. THAT I can assure you. You're too damn worried about an insurgent being treated unfairly, when he COULD provide valuable information about the next attack, than you are your own countrymen.

niuhuskie84 Wrote:[quote="RebelKev"]Really? Bush said we were fighting a war for Christianity? lmfao

You're gonna have to show me a link for that one.

the quote in question is

[quote]I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan. And I did, and then God would tell me, George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq

BTW, you didn't provide a link so I will discount that s-hit 'till you do.

....and no, Democratic Underground is no f'n link.

Yes, it's a little different. But all it is is Christians praying in the Holy Spirit for the nation and for its leader. I think it's great. Freedom of religion, it's a good thing. Now, when these charismatic Christians drive a plane into a building; then I'll be concerned. Bringing out a cutout of Bush is a little unorthadox, but maybe they thought it would help the kids visualize who they're praying for.

Praying and speaking in tongues seems weird to alot of non-Christians and even some Christians, but the beauty of it is - we as Christians can pray directly to the Lord, we don't need a priest or minister to intervene on our behalf, we have the Holy Spirit to help us pray and to pray for us to the Father (Romans 8:26-27). Each Christian has been given a gift, their prayer language to God, whether you use it is up to you. When I run out of things to pray for in my conscious mind, the Holy Spirit intercedes and helps me pray "in the Spirit" to the Lord.

RebelKev Wrote:BTW, you didn't provide a link so I will discount that s-hit 'till you do.

....and no, Democratic Underground is no f'n link.

sorry that i dont have the minutes from a meeting in 2003 in front of me

RebelKev Wrote:

niuhuskie84 Wrote:so tell me, when have we "won" in iraq? where is the finish line? when have we "beaten" the terrorists? how do you win a war against an ideology (i.e. thoughts) with bombs and rifles? the concept in itself absurd. as if somehow, we can kill a belief system by blowing up buildings.

If you really want ME to answer the question, I'll tell you. As a troop I say we kick out the f'n media and beat these bastards down until that say this is enough. However, the media, on YOUR side mind you, are hindering that process. A mosque becomes a haven for terrorists? It's now a f'n bunker that should be take out. JMO. We didn't capitulate like this s-hit during WWII. It's liberals that are making this hard, not conservatives. THAT I can assure you. You're too damn worried about an insurgent being treated unfairly, when he COULD provide valuable information about the next attack, than you are your own countrymen.

you still didnt answer my question though. who are the "bastards"? when will "they" have been beaten? or more to the point, who are we even fighting in iraq in the first place? what is our purpose? when is the mission completed? again, when have we won? what is the finish line? and where do we stand currently in relation to that finish line?

niuhuskie84 Wrote:sorry that i dont have the minutes from a meeting in 2003 in front of me

So I'm supposed to just take your leftist word for it? Hmm, I don't get it.

But hell, last week Douglas MacArthur told me in spirit that I'd win the lottery.


....has just as much validity.