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S.F. Chronicle Editor Suspended for Kerry Donation

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SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - A San Francisco Chronicle editor who gave Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry (news - web sites) $400 has been placed on leave for possibly violating the newspaper's rules, the newspaper said on Wednesday.


The newspaper's letters editor, William Pates, reached at home by telephone, confirmed that he had contributed about $400 to the Kerry campaign but declined to comment on his paper's response. Pates said he had worked for the Chronicle for the past 35 years.


"He's on paid leave while we are investigating. We have not made any judgment at this point as to whether the policy was violated," said editorial page editor John Diaz.


"It would be a concern to have somebody who is involved in selecting letters make what amounts to a public demonstration of support for a particular candidate."


The paper, whose editorials backed Democrat Al Gore (news - web sites) in the 2000 election, bars staffers from making campaign contributions without the approval of editors. The San Francisco area is known as one of the most politically liberal in the country.


The paper learned of the contributions from a researcher at a media watchdog group "On the News" who gathered a list of political contributions by San Francisco-area journalists.


Last year the Chronicle fired a technology columnist who was arrested during an anti-Iraq (news - web sites) war protest for creating an appearance of an ethics conflict.
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And another example <a href='http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040721/media_nm/media_airamerica_dc_4' target='_blank'>Link</a>

Headline: Al Franken Beats O'Reilly in NY Radio Matchup

Story: O'Reilly did slightly better than Franken in the broader demographic of all listeners aged 12 and up.
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DrTorch Wrote:S.F. Chronicle Editor Suspended for Kerry Donation

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SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - A San Francisco Chronicle editor who gave Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry (news - web sites) $400 has been placed on leave for possibly violating the newspaper's rules, the newspaper said on Wednesday.


The newspaper's letters editor, William Pates, reached at home by telephone, confirmed that he had contributed about $400 to the Kerry campaign but declined to comment on his paper's response. Pates said he had worked for the Chronicle for the past 35 years.


"He's on paid leave while we are investigating. We have not made any judgment at this point as to whether the policy was violated," said editorial page editor John Diaz.


"It would be a concern to have somebody who is involved in selecting letters make what amounts to a public demonstration of support for a particular candidate."


The paper, whose editorials backed Democrat Al Gore (news - web sites) in the 2000 election, bars staffers from making campaign contributions without the approval of editors. The San Francisco area is known as one of the most politically liberal in the country.


The paper learned of the contributions from a researcher at a media watchdog group "On the News" who gathered a list of political contributions by San Francisco-area journalists.


Last year the Chronicle fired a technology columnist who was arrested during an anti-Iraq (news - web sites) war protest for creating an appearance of an ethics conflict.
Excuse me, doc, but what this story actually shows is that traditional newspapers have ethics, and they take them seriously. Not only does this guy get suspended, but they bring to light the fact that they have suspended him. I happen to believe in that kind of accountability.

You think they have rules like that at Fox News Network? I would be willing to venture that within their organization, there is at least subtle pressure among employees to donate or otherwise support the Republicans.
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Since we're on the topic of media bias...

Ted Rall recently drew up <a href='http://www.ucomics.com/rallcom/2004/07/05/' target='_blank'>this cartoon</a>, which was distributed in 140 newspapers, including the Washington Post.

In the second frame of the cartoon, far leftist Rall, who is white, refers to Condoleeza Rice as a "house n----", while a black man wearing a t-shirt that reads You’re Not White, Stupid asks Rice for her "hair-straightener" back as he escorts her to an “Inner-city Racial Re-education Camp."

Imagine, just for a moment, if a conservative cartoonist for, say, the Washington Times drew the same cartoon depicting a prominent African-American Democrat in these terms. You think we would've heard more about it? I did a Google search using "Rall" and "Rice", and got two news hits. Two. I think we all know what would happen if Bill O'Reilly brazenly used the n-word to describe a black person, even in jest. O'Reilly wouldn't be able to leave his house for a month for fear of his life.

I guess blatantly racial comments get a free-pass from the press if the object of the derision is someone who doesn't toe the left-wing party line.

(Michelle Malkin's column responding to Rall is a <a href='http://michellemalkin.com/archives/000160.htm' target='_blank'>must read.</a>)

Meanwhile, long-forgotten has-been Linda Ronstadt, talking about her outburst praising Michael Moore and his "truth" (LOL) said this...

Quote:It's a real conflict for me when I go to a concert and find out somebody in the audience is a Republican or fundamental Christian. It can cloud my enjoyment. I'd rather not know.

Imagine again, just for a moment, if Toby Keith - presumably a conservative-leaning country star - said these words... but replaced "Republican and Christian" with "Democrat and Muslim". The press would have a field day. You know it. I know it.

And here I thought Fox News was the only media outlet that 'selects' what it wants to report on. :rolleyes:
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Socko Wiethe Wrote:Excuse me, doc, but what this story actually shows is that traditional newspapers have ethics, and they take them seriously. Not only does this guy get suspended, but they bring to light the fact that they have suspended him. I happen to believe in that kind of accountability.
It shows nothing of the sort.

What it shows is what has already been documented: that prominent newspapers employee people who lean to the left in their politics, particularly in their highest positions. In fact this is so widely accepted, that these folks who should know better, now give to their party w/o a 2nd thought.

What is the effect of this type of hiring? Do you think this guy prints the most articulate and well thought out letters from the right? Or does he print the reactionary ones that are easily parodied by those who lean left with him?

Quote:You think they have rules like that at Fox News Network? I would be willing to venture that within their organization, there is at least subtle pressure among employees to donate or otherwise support the Republicans.

Nice, now your conjecture is suddenly "truth". I seriously doubt there is any pressure to donate to a political party...at either institution.

But, if you want the good assignments, if you want to get promoted...you'd better be able to put the right spin on the stories you cover. And if relative newcomer Fox News simply mirrors this approach, then why start pointing fingers at them? Why not go to the original culprits (NYT, Wash Post, La Times, SF Chronicle) the ones w/ the "accountability" that gets talked up?
07-22-2004 07:56 AM
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Motown Bronco Wrote:In the second frame of the cartoon, far leftist Rall, who is white, refers to Condoleeza Rice as a "house n----", while a black man wearing a t-shirt that reads You’re Not White, Stupid asks Rice for her "hair-straightener" back as he escorts her to an “Inner-city Racial Re-education Camp."
thats pretty offence from where im from almost as bad as being called an uncle tom. there was no need fro that cartoon it was totally classless
07-22-2004 08:05 AM
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Motown Bronco Wrote:
Quote:It's a real conflict for me when I go to a concert and find out somebody in the audience is a Republican or fundamental Christian. It can cloud my enjoyment. I'd rather not know.
clouded her judgement? did she sing green bayou instaed of blue bayou? youre not bad instaed of your no good? give me a break
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Motown Bronco Wrote:Meanwhile, long-forgotten has-been Linda Ronstadt, talking about her outburst praising Michael Moore and his "truth" (LOL) said this...

Quote:It's a real conflict for me when I go to a concert and find out somebody in the audience is a Republican or fundamental Christian. It can cloud my enjoyment. I'd rather not know.
Someone should remind Linda that she's not paid to think.

The folks lining up in the coffee houses are there to hear her sing a few silly tunes.(actually most are there for a latte)

BTW, isn't David Geffen into movies now? "Sorry Linda, love you sweetheart, you're still the greatest. You'll always be better than Britney. Gotta run!"
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DrTorch Wrote:
Socko Wiethe Wrote:Excuse me, doc, but what this story actually shows is that traditional newspapers have ethics, and they take them seriously. Not only does this guy get suspended, but they bring to light the fact that they have suspended him. I happen to believe in that kind of accountability.
It shows nothing of the sort.

What it shows is what has already been documented: that prominent newspapers employee people who lean to the left in their politics, particularly in their highest positions. In fact this is so widely accepted, that these folks who should know better, now give to their party w/o a 2nd thought.

What is the effect of this type of hiring? Do you think this guy prints the most articulate and well thought out letters from the right? Or does he print the reactionary ones that are easily parodied by those who lean left with him?

Quote:You think they have rules like that at Fox News Network? I would be willing to venture that within their organization, there is at least subtle pressure among employees to donate or otherwise support the Republicans.

Nice, now your conjecture is suddenly "truth". I seriously doubt there is any pressure to donate to a political party...at either institution.

But, if you want the good assignments, if you want to get promoted...you'd better be able to put the right spin on the stories you cover. And if relative newcomer Fox News simply mirrors this approach, then why start pointing fingers at them? Why not go to the original culprits (NYT, Wash Post, La Times, SF Chronicle) the ones w/ the "accountability" that gets talked up?
Whatever.

Believe what you want, at your own peril. I've yet to come across a legitimate paper that doesn't have editorial voices from both the right and the left. Here in Cincinnati, the editorial bent leans decidely to the right, yet even they wouldn't tolerate the kind of violation of ethical behavior we're talking about in this instance. But that's not the same set of rules that the new class of partisan "media" -- and I use the word reluctantly -- operate under.

As for the Ted Rall cartoon that has come up in this thread, I wouldn't defend that either.
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Socko Wiethe Wrote:But that's not the same set of rules that the new class of partisan "media" -- and I use the word reluctantly -- operate under.
"Media" shouldn't be the word you hesitate to use. Media simply refers to the mechanism of transmission: print, radio, tv, etc.

It should have an adjective like "news media" at which point you can cringe all you want.

Considering many people treat celebrities as a legitimate source of news and rational thought (MTV, Linda Rondstat, etc) I think Fox News isn't doing a whole lot of harm.
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Once you get past the fact that EVERYTHING is biased, it really doesn't bother you anymore.
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DrTorch Wrote:Someone should remind Linda that she's not paid to think.
Which makes you wonder why people are taking what she said as such a big deal.
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HuskieDan Wrote:
DrTorch Wrote:Someone should remind Linda that she's not paid to think.
Which makes you wonder why people are taking what she said as such a big deal.
wondered that myself. isnt she a has been? why does anybody listen too what an actor or singer says? i dont let the convictions of people who give their kids weird names make up my mind on which way to go. i think this country is too wraped up in "hollywood" the land of reality :rolleyes:
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I think Frank Zappa had some good things to say, and he named his first born "Moon Unit".
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Having been on the technical side of the media for about 10 years now...and having worked in a more right-leaning area (Cincinnati) and two very left-leaning areas (Portland and Cleveland) I'll make this observation:

I don't think there is an environment that exists where News management and reporters get together and decide how they're going to slant things to the left. Most of these folks, believe it or not, are very nice folks and very tolerant of the views of others-trust me, I test this out on a daily basis.

What I DO know for a fact, however, is that most producers, anchors, and reporters are extremely left winged in their politics. I think it happens for the same reasons it happens in Hollywood - most of these people are either very idealistic or have extremely inflated senses of self worth, therefore believing they know what's best for everyone...which lends itself perfectly to Democratic/liberal politics.

I'm not sure these people inject their liberal world view into stories intentionally - but since the late '70s, when News organizations went from the straight reporting of events to profiteering, news has progressed further and further into the seamy world of sensationalism, where real news is violently shoved aside for edgier, racier stuff. It's this type of environment that allows personal ideologies to make the airwaves and newspaper copy.
Remember Jerry Springer's "commentaries" at the end of newscasts? Opinions are more interesting than facts.

The worst part is, many of the Network people become "institutions"...therefore harder to get rid of, therefore emboldened to slant the news any way they wish. Can you say Dan Rather?

The good news is that folks have many more outlets for news gathering nowadays, and the Rathers and Brokaws don't have a monopoly anymore.
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