calling_the_hogs Wrote:Maybe so...they only have a first-year coach.

But unless you play in the MAC, 99.9% of teams across this country would be more fired up and pumped up to play Arkansas than they would Northern Illinois. Even some MAC teams would prolly be more fired up for a game against us.

You're dreaming if you think otherwise.

WPS

I don't care, that is not an excuse. People also say that if you put a MAC school in a BCS conference they would not be able to compete week in and week out. Well I will also say that you could put more than half of the BCS schools in the MAC and they would not win every week. I am sick and tired of people making excuses.

Now wait a sec here.... you say that emotion is not an 'excuse'?

I say emotion plays a huge deal.....

Using your logic, that being fired up doesn't count... then let's see...

Troy State beat Marshall 33-24
Marshall beat Kansas St. 27-20
Kansas State beat Cal 42-28
Cal beat USC 34-31

That would mean Troy State obviously would whallop Southern Cal.

Look at your own conference. Do you honestly think Marshall was pumped up to take on Troy State?

Marshall beat KSU 27-20, Kansas State beat Troy State 41-5. Yet, Troy State beats Marshall.

How do you explain it? I say Troy State was fired up to play Marshall, Marshall was not fired up to play Troy State, game, set, match.

No excuses about it here.

MAC teams emotionally are pumped up to play the big boys. You have a huge respect chip on your shoulder, as has been clearly demonstrated in this entire thread. The BCS schools aren't nearly as fired up. Kansas State plays Nebraska, Texas, Colorado, etc. Marshall just doesn't stir their juices up like other, bigger rivalries do.

That's not an excuse. The BCS teams, if they have more talent, should win regardless. That's just fact. But it shows emotion does play a factor at times. 9 times out of 10 Marshall would've beaten Troy State, wouldn't you say?

You can't take one game against one team and use that for respect. I already said what it'd take for the Toledos and Marshalls to garner some serious attention. Drop the deadwood left in your conference (cough, Buffalo, EMU, cough), go and beat the LSU's, the VT's of the world consistently and by large margins, get bigger crowds, and move to a bigger conference. C-USA will be looking soon enough. If SMU can get an interview, certainly you guys should. That'd put you in a conference with some more $$$, TV coverage, and more bowl slots.

WPS

I did not say emotion is not an excuse. Emotion plays a big part in college football.

What I said is that a team not getting motivated to play someone is not an excuse.

RebelKev Wrote:

Schadenfreude Wrote:No one has ever won an NCAA championship in Division I-A football.

Then what is your point? That NC's not recognized by the NCAA aren't national champs? That Georgia Southern can beat Oklahoma since they play in an NCAA championship and OK doesn't? Seriously, your argument is slipping.

:stupid:
The NCAA does not have a championship in the highest level of football. Georgia Southern does have actual championships but they're at a lower level. Have another one dude :drink: :drink:

calling_the_hogs Wrote:A playoff system for 1-A football sounds like a good idea... my question is this though. After the NCAA creates an RPI system, which will include strength of schedule, and in a 16 or 32 team field, the BCS teams take almost all, if not all, the at-large spots, will we be all the way back to square one?

WPS

PS - For all the MAC folks...check out the CFN 117 poll, which has Bowling Green at #17, Northern Illinois at #21, and Kansas State....at #37.


<a href='http://www.collegefootballnews.com/2003/Rankings/CFN_Rankings.htm' target='_blank'>CFN 117 Poll</a>

And yes, nat'l titles in 1-A don't count on NCAA records... http://www.ncaachampionships.com ... however, if you count the rest... only 4 schools have more nat'l titles than UA, who has 39.

It would be kinda like the Basketball tourney then. No one in the MAC complains about that tourney. MAC fans just want access and the MAC has an automatic berth in the hoops tourney, so if you don't win the conference then there is no reason to complain.

klordway Wrote:

RebelKev Wrote:

Schadenfreude Wrote:No one has ever won an NCAA championship in Division I-A football.

Then what is your point? That NC's not recognized by the NCAA aren't national champs? That Georgia Southern can beat Oklahoma since they play in an NCAA championship and OK doesn't? Seriously, your argument is slipping.

:stupid:
The NCAA does not have a championship in the highest level of football. Georgia Southern does have actual championships but they're at a lower level. Have another one dude :drink: :drink:

:stupid:

Then it seems to me that the NCAA is out of date. Georgia Southern has played UGA before several times and, to my knowledge, NEVER won. Does that mean Georgia Southern is the best in the NCAA? Oh **** no. The BCS is what indicates the NCAA champs. NCAA being the colleges, not some dumb*** organization.

RebelKev Wrote::stupid:

Then it seems to me that the NCAA is out of date. Georgia Southern has played UGA before several times and, to my knowledge, NEVER won. Does that mean Georgia Southern is the best in the NCAA? Oh **** no. The BCS is what indicates the NCAA champs. NCAA being the colleges, not some dumb*** organization.

Kev, let it go, man. You're talking to a bunch of brick walls and you actually seem surprised that these little MAC boys don't have a friggin' clue how it works. They never will, all they will ever do is scream from the bottom rung for attention, and say anything to get someone to listen to them. I'm over it, you should be too now. Let's go pick on someone our own size.

Quote:The BCS is what indicates the NCAA champs.

The BCS decides the BCS champion. The NCAA sanctions no Division I-A championship -- and neither do I.

Schadenfreude Wrote:

Quote:The BCS is what indicates the NCAA champs.

The BCS decides the BCS champion. The NCAA sanctions no Division I-A championship -- and neither do I.

Your head cannot be that far up your own rectum, can it?

cant_think_of_a_witty_name Wrote:

Schadenfreude Wrote:

Quote:The BCS is what indicates the NCAA champs.

The BCS decides the BCS champion. The NCAA sanctions no Division I-A championship -- and neither do I.

Your head cannot be that far up your own rectum, can it?

I'm uncertain as to your complaint.

Did the NCAA ever consult you with possibilities of sanctioning a Division I championship?

RebelKev Wrote:

klordway Wrote:

RebelKev Wrote:

Schadenfreude Wrote:No one has ever won an NCAA championship in Division I-A football.

Then what is your point? That NC's not recognized by the NCAA aren't national champs? That Georgia Southern can beat Oklahoma since they play in an NCAA championship and OK doesn't? Seriously, your argument is slipping.

:stupid:
The NCAA does not have a championship in the highest level of football. Georgia Southern does have actual championships but they're at a lower level. Have another one dude :drink: :drink:

:stupid:

Then it seems to me that the NCAA is out of date. Georgia Southern has played UGA before several times and, to my knowledge, NEVER won. Does that mean Georgia Southern is the best in the NCAA? Oh **** no. The BCS is what indicates the NCAA champs. NCAA being the colleges, not some dumb*** organization.

Last I checked there were 117 D-1A colleges. The BCS only includes 63 of these. That's only 53.8% of all D1-A members. Maybe only 53.8% of members should be eligible for oter sports as well. In baseball the cubs should be ineligible for a playoff spot based on history. Hell in some sports at other levels (NHL, and NBA) half of the teams make the playoffs. But back to my original point, if 53.8% are in that leaves 46.2% out of the system. Obviously it's not all the colleges deciding the national title. MAybe C-USA or the SBC should decide the national title, they're more national conferences (look where tehir teams are (C-USA: N.Y, Alabama, texas, western Tenn. etc.))

cant_think_of_a_witty_name Wrote:Did the NCAA ever consult you with possibilities of sanctioning a Division I championship?

Let me rephrase:

The NCAA does not recognize a Division I-A champion, and neither do I.

I think I'll use that, actually.

Schadenfreude Wrote:

cant_think_of_a_witty_name Wrote:Did the NCAA ever consult you with possibilities of sanctioning a Division I championship?

Let me rephrase:

The NCAA does not recognize a Division I-A champion, and neither do I.

I think I'll use that, actually.

Who gives a **** what you recognize?

RebelKev Wrote:

Schadenfreude Wrote:Let me rephrase:

The NCAA does not recognize a Division I-A champion, and neither do I.

I think I'll use that, actually.

Who gives a **** what you recognize?

Kind of like who gives a **** what you recognize?

AND

Who gives a **** what the BCS recognizes? The NCAA don't!!!

What MAC and other non-BCS fans have been saying all along!

<a href='http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/mac/invision/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=6424' target='_blank'>BCS violates anti-trust law</a>