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"We May Yet Find Them"
Watching John Kerry tackle the issue of weapons of mass destruction.
by Hugh Hewitt
04/29/2004

AFTER TRAIN WRECKS on Meet the Press and Good Morning America, John Kerry took his tattered credibility to the friendly confines of Hardball, where a sympathetic and compliant Chris Matthews did his very best to help Kerry make it through at least one interview without wandering into bizarre asides, prolix dependent clauses, and baffling hedges.

Chris Matthews failed. On the bizarre side of the ledger, Kerry ended the interview by bringing up the fact that Karen Hughes had been born in Paris. Matthews was confused by this sudden turn of events and first indicated the interest that accompanies the revelation of a genuinely important fact, only to retreat into a forced laugh when Kerry indicated that he had made a joke.

The exchange of importance involved the invasion of Iraq and the WMD controversy. Here it is in its entirety:

Quote:Matthews: If there was an exaggeration of WMD, exaggeration of the danger, exaggeration implicitly of the connection to al Qaeda and 9/11, what's the motive for this, what's the "why?" Why did Bush and Cheney and the ideologues around take us to war? Why do you think they did it?

Kerry: It appears, as they peel away the weapons of mass destruction issue, and--we may yet find them, Chris. Look, I want to make it clear: Who knows if a month from now, you find some weapons. You may. But you certainly didn't find them where they said they were, and you certainly didn't find them in the quantities that they said they were. And 
they weren't found, and I have talked to some soldiers who have come back who trained against the potential of artillery delivery, because artillery was the way they had previously delivered and it was the only way they knew they could deliver. Now we found nothing that is evidence of that kind of delivery, so the fact is that as you peel it away I think it comes down to this larger ideological and neocon concept of fundamental change in the region and who knows whether there are other motives with respect to Saddam Hussein, but they did it because they thought they could, and because they misjudged exactly what the reaction would be and what they could get away with.

Kerry's answer is a jungle of dependent clauses and asides, but it deserves intense focus. Put aside the obvious reference to the left's theory that Bush took out Saddam to avenge Hussein's assassination attempt on the first President Bush, as well as the reference to the "neocons," which is verbal comfort food to the anti-Semitic loons in the audience. Let's take Kerry seriously for once.

Kerry acknowledges that WMD may yet be found. This admission destroys the left's critique of the war and months of "Bush lied!" rantings from the MoveOn.org swamp. Kerry knows what everyone with a memory knows: which is that Saddam had WMD and the world agreed he had them. Perhaps they were destroyed, perhaps hidden, perhaps trucked to Syria, but he had them. Thank you, Mr. Kerry, for your only contribution to the public's understanding of the war to date.

No sooner does he admit that the entire attack on Bush's credibility is a contrived, election-year stunt, then he goes on to fumble the issue by suggesting that only WMD in artillery shells matter to us, and that artillery was the only means available to Saddam to deliver WMD.

Two points, minor and major.

The minor point is that Saddam attack the Kurds in 1988 using chemical weapons delivered from planes. Kerry's statement that "artillery was the way they had previously delivered and it was the only way they knew they could deliver" is flat wrong. It is also easy to spot, and easy for the public to understand since they remember SCUDs hitting Israel in 1991.

The major point is that WMDs alarm us not only or even primarily when they are in artillery shells but when they are in the hands of terrorists. Had Chris Matthews been interested in actually asking a question that would have obliged the senator to show some thought, he would have inquired as to how much ricin is too much, or how great a biological threat has to exist in the lab before we take action.

Kerry's answer tells us that he fails to grasp the crucial issue of this campaign: the threat to America has changed, and our response has to change with it. Sure, he gave up a huge issue by admitting that WMD may yet be found in a transparent attempt to position himself against the possibility of their discovery before November, but more important than that admission is Kerry's display of what can only be called ignorance of the threat.

We should not be surprised. In his long career, Kerry has misjudged the threats posed by the Vietcong, the Soviets, the Sandinistas, and just about every other enemy the United States has faced. Now he has misjudged the threat posed by WMDs. Is America going to elect a "hear no evil, see no evil" president in the middle of a war that could go on for years to come?
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Does an admission--or even, the uncovering of WMD's--then lead one to automatically assume the war was justified?

By that logic, we should've attacked N. Korea before going into Iraq. Same brutal dictator. Difference? We know for a fact that he has nukes and the capacity to deliver them to the U.S.

Oh, and no oil, of course. . .but I'm sure that's beside the point. :angel:
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joebordenrebel Wrote:Does an admission--or even, the uncovering of WMD's--then lead one to automatically assume the war was justified?

By that logic, we should've attacked N. Korea before going into Iraq. Same brutal dictator. Difference? We know for a fact that he has nukes and the capacity to deliver them to the U.S.

Oh, and no oil, of course. . .but I'm sure that's beside the point. :angel:
Does an admission--or even, the uncovering of WMD's--then lead one to automatically assume the war was justified?

Yes


By that logic, we should've attacked N. Korea before going into Iraq. Same brutal dictator. Difference? We know for a fact that he has nukes and the capacity to deliver them to the U.S.

Correct


Oh, and no oil, of course. . .but I'm sure that's beside the point. :angel:

The funny thing is Kerry in a political stop in Toledo, OH yesterday says and i quote I dont beleive this war was about oil!
04-29-2004 01:46 PM
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So then (and please, correct me if I'm off-base here), you see the U.S.'s role in the world as one of monolithic, unilateral righter of wrongs and destroyer of all WMD's (besides ours and those of our friends, of course).

Would you agree to that?
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The US has no role, we have high interests in the Middle East. The current Saudi governemnt and Kuwati governement are key in the protection of Israel, they are our interst in the region, why i dont know or care. That is why we removed Sadamm. Who think was funding the Palestinian suicide bombers besides Iran. Israel has more say in our goverment than you would think.

The world would be better off with no WMD's no doubt about it, but i dont see that happening anytime soon, cause their will always be someone in the world that will want one of these babies to bring fear to others.
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"The US has no role, we have high interests in the Middle East."

We have no role in world affairs? Meaning, we have no interests outside of our own boundaries? Then doesn't the second part of that comma splice directly contradict the first part? What do you mean?

"The current Saudi governemnt and Kuwati governement are key in the protection of Israel, they are our interst in the region, why i dont know or care. That is why we removed Sadamm. Who think was funding the Palestinian suicide bombers besides Iran. Israel has more say in our goverment than you would think."

Now this really is a mass of understanding. Saudi Arabia and Kuwait are key to our protection of Israel? Where do you get that from? Esp. Kuwait? So you're okay alleging things that you have no logical basis for believing? And if all your friends told you the Easter Bunny jumped off the Brooklyn Bridge, would you jump, too?

In addition, we seem to be moving rather far afield by bringing in Palestine and Iran. Let's just focus on the thesis of this thread as a parameter, how 'bout?

"The world would be better off with no WMD's no doubt about it, but i dont see that happening anytime soon, cause their will always be someone in the world that will want one of these babies to bring fear to others."

But don't you see my point? If we say the war with Iraq was justified based on the fact that WMD's (that we sold Iraq, btw) were present, then we should logically bomb the hell out of everybody with brutal regimes and WMD's.

Obviously, we're not doing that. Maybe we can just limit the destruction to former friends of ours (like Saddam).
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joebordenrebel Wrote:Obviously, we're not doing that. Maybe we can just limit the destruction to former friends of ours (like Saddam).
Does that mean the French are next :D
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The Saudis and the Kuwatis are vital to Israel as well as Egypt. They are the only goverments that are activeky fighting islamic extremists. Now Pakistan, Yemen and Qartar are joing the loop that leaves Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, and Iran. Which countries do you see increasingly on the US watch list?
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Ooooooh, the Saudis are actively FIGHTING Islamic fundamentalists. . .


RIIIIIIIIIGHT. . .

More reading, if you please.

The rise of U.S. President George W. Bush has been accompanied by a growing tension between Riyadh and Washington. The Saudi government is under constant pressure by conservatives and Arab nationalists, and especially the ultra-fundamentalist elements in the kingdom, to expel the U.S. from Islam's holy land and to oppose Washington's Middle East policy. Riyadh has also become increasingly apprehensive of itself becoming the target of its own Islamic militants.

Contrary to the accepted wisdom in the press, Usama bin Ladin was not the vanguard of anti-American activity in Saudi Arabia. He and his former "Afghani" followers received only marginal attention and support in the kingdom in the early 1990s. The standard bearers of attacks on the regime and on the U.S. presence in Arabia were the new generation of non-conformist ulama and preachers who gradually escalated their verbal attacks on the House of Saud and the American infidels.

<a href='http://www.jcpa.org/jl/vp481.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.jcpa.org/jl/vp481.htm</a>
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I see where you are confused. The actual Saud family has many wings. The governing body wants nothing to do with islamic fundalmentalists, because it threatens their right to control power, however those not directly governing have no problem funding these guys. So the goverment is actually combating terrorists. Why do you think Osama used saudis on 9-11 to divide the countries, it didnt work.
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